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Post by Mikie on Feb 5, 2020 15:31:02 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Mike not being aware of the particulars of this gig. Still, on the miniscule chance that he did not and is being forced to honor his commitment might I suggest he take the passive aggressive approach and 'treat' the audience to extended renditions of Wrinkles and Rocking the man in the boat. On reflection, forcing a bunch of hunters with itchy trigger fingers to sit through Wrinkles may not be the smartest thing a person could do. Or for that matter, "Rockin' The Man In The Boat". Speaking of trigger fingers!
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Post by brucesshorts on Feb 5, 2020 22:22:57 GMT -5
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Post by Sunflower75 on Feb 5, 2020 22:46:18 GMT -5
I signed it last Saturday when it was first brought to my attention. I was happy to see Brian, Al & David speak up against it. I'm vegan (for the animals)...haven't eaten meat in over 5 years. I'm torn, I already bought tickets to an upcoming Mike & Bruce show months ago. I thought I've read multiple places that Mike's a vegetarian, I'm confused, & disappointed with why he'd support trophy hunting. I have boycotted trophy hunters in the past... like Jimmy John's. No veggie sandwiches for me when I'm too tired to cook after working late. I also worked for a trophy hunter, he was respectful towards me though. He knew my stance. We rarely discussed it, except for when he'd inform me of his upcoming time off. Otherwise we got along pretty well. But it was always in my mind that he kills these beautiful & majestic animals for "fun" & as a sport. I don't judge people, but like the saying goes... "how you treat animals tells me all I need to know about you."
And holy hell... the vile comments about Brian on the Fox.com site, really messed up. I read some last night, & had to stop. Shame on them.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 6, 2020 2:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by rjm on Feb 6, 2020 2:29:11 GMT -5
Is anybody really surprised?
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Post by petsite on Feb 6, 2020 3:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by petsite on Feb 6, 2020 3:36:46 GMT -5
To quote the old show business line:
He's so hot for money he would play at the opening of an envelope.
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Post by monolithic on Feb 6, 2020 5:49:25 GMT -5
I will post my tempered and self-moderated thoughts...
It was a mistake for them to ever agree to this show and an even bigger mistake to go through with it. Mike has damaged his own reputation (still further), the reputation of The Beach Boys and even, to some extent, the reputation of the other surviving members by them being dragged into the furore.
I have attended Mike and Bruce shows in the past and have bought Mike's solo albums, but that won't be happening in the future.
While he is the one most at fault, none of the touring band members come away from this with a shred of credibility as human beings. If my boss told me to attend such an event, I would refuse as any person with any degree of moral courage or decency would. Every member of the band who played has shown themselves to be putrid excrescences and have let themselves down. They have allowed their grubby palms to be crossed with silver and I hope they enjoy their night's earnings.
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Post by Cam Mott on Feb 6, 2020 7:20:30 GMT -5
I wish we had this button: 👎
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Post by Autotune on Feb 6, 2020 7:40:06 GMT -5
In their 60 years of career, these people have done worse collectively and individually than playing at SCI. They’ve done things to destroy their lives, those of their loved ones, and their careers several times. That hasn’t kept me from listening to their music and buying their product. This gig won’t do it either.
BB fans against trophy hunting can do more against said activity than disowning the music they love and the people that produced it. My guess is that this outrage among fans will pass in a couple of months (as is usually the case with online indignation), and the vast majority of those who claim outrage for this gig won’t do anything in the future against trophy hunting.
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Post by andrewhickey on Feb 6, 2020 8:49:17 GMT -5
While he is the one most at fault, none of the touring band members come away from this with a shred of credibility as human beings. If my boss told me to attend such an event, I would refuse as any person with any degree of moral courage or decency would. Every member of the band who played has shown themselves to be putrid excrescences and have let themselves down. They have allowed their grubby palms to be crossed with silver and I hope they enjoy their night's earnings. This is extremely unfair. I think this club is a disgusting one, and it lowers my opinion of Mike somewhat that the group have played for them (though not that much, as I've always assumed that Mike would play any show that would pay him, so it's largely factored in to my opinion).
But the band members are not actively supporting the organisation by playing that show. They're doing the same job they always do, playing the same songs in the same way, and in very few jobs do you get to choose your customers. If you're a nurse, you don't get to say "I'm not treating that person because of their politics". If you work in McDonald's you don't get to say "I'm not selling that person a burger because he's got a criminal record", or whatever. You do the job and let the bosses worry about overall policy.
That doesn't mean there aren't lines one shouldn't cross, and I suspect that were I one of the band members I would have refused to play this gig -- but then they've played a number of other gigs I would have refused to play, over the years.
We don't know the personal beliefs of the band members. We also don't know their financial situations. We *do* know that they're not exactly overpaid (I believe I've read that Mike pays union scale. Even if he pays more than that, it's not like any of them are earning any more than a decent middle-class wage), that none of them are particularly young, that some of them have families, that healthcare in America is extortionately expensive, and that the music industry is one where steady jobs are very, very hard to find.
If you're in your fifties or sixties, have been doing the same job for twenty or so years, and know that finding another job might be difficult, and you decide to do your job in a situation like that, it doesn't make you a "putrid excrescence". It makes you someone who needs to eat, and to feed your family, and maybe pay for your kid to go to college or for your wife's operation or whatever.
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Post by kds on Feb 6, 2020 8:51:39 GMT -5
I will post my tempered and self-moderated thoughts... It was a mistake for them to ever agree to this show and an even bigger mistake to go through with it. Mike has damaged his own reputation (still further), the reputation of The Beach Boys and even, to some extent, the reputation of the other surviving members by them being dragged into the furore. I have attended Mike and Bruce shows in the past and have bought Mike's solo albums, but that won't be happening in the future. While he is the one most at fault, none of the touring band members come away from this with a shred of credibility as human beings. If my boss told me to attend such an event, I would refuse as any person with any degree of moral courage or decency would. Every member of the band who played has shown themselves to be putrid excrescences and have let themselves down. They have allowed their grubby palms to be crossed with silver and I hope they enjoy their night's earnings. Well, if those are your tempered thoughts, I'd hate to see how you really feel. I get the disappointment at Mike's decision to carry on with the gig, but to call the other members "putrid excrescences" is pretty over the top.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 6, 2020 8:53:58 GMT -5
Trophy guys don't keep dying rare animals AT ALL by killing predators (aka conservation). Dumb logic duh. They ever hear phrase "circle of life"? Lions tigers cougars bears & such gotta eat something, yes? If they kill rare birds et al - so what? It's reason to kill them? They gotta be kidding. They interfere with animals' eating to live (vs. living to eat). It ain't their business who these animals kill. Re: M&B playing trophy gig - maybe few people think it's 100% fine but disrespecting the others like "Hey it's just gig lighten up" is not cool. Keep thinking it's fine but let the other thousand people think it's not fine & let them get furious/ boycott it. *Without* rolling eyes & such. Plain & simple.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 6, 2020 11:09:47 GMT -5
I wish we had this button: 👎 Cam - I like the “like” click - it keeps things positive and keeps it civil. It keeps us from being at each other’s throats even though we may disagree very strongly. 🌷Spring is coming soon. 🌷
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Post by E on Feb 6, 2020 12:10:30 GMT -5
I'm certainly not going to stop listening to their music and I'm already in line to buy Feel Flows or whatever the hell it'll be called, but I think this is pretty despicable and all the more so coming from two people who have bemoaned the destruction of the natural environment.
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Post by brucesshorts on Feb 6, 2020 13:16:59 GMT -5
Many of our favorite bands play private/corporate gigs all the time, only we don’t know about it because they aren’t under the extreme and laser sharp microscope that Mike’s actions are subject to. I’m not defending the occasion, but it’s a simple fact.
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Post by pendlewitch on Feb 6, 2020 13:23:00 GMT -5
There you have it, it's done.
So I have tickets for London in July. In 2020, you take what you can get in terms of live shows in the UK. From last year, the most enjoyment was to be had in being with a group of people who were fans of the band. Here's the same. It doesn't happen in real life! But can I be there and listen to "...peace and love....warm heart....Rishikesh....blah blah"? Not sure I can. At the moment I'm tempted to empty seat, even if I have to miss meeting up with Vale and AGD. Maybe in June I'll feel differently. To be sure, the conduct of most of the band at times through the years has been suspect. I take comfort in thinking about Al, a man of principles and morals and dimples. Hey, Al.
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Post by dauber on Feb 6, 2020 14:36:24 GMT -5
Hell, I decided almost 22 years ago today that I would never see a "Beach Boys" show that was only Mike and Bruce. After what I saw this summer (w/Ringo), I tripled-down on that. (Only time in my life I was ever at a concert and wished I was not.) I didn't need these knuckleheads who think they're "The Beach Boys" playing at a trophy hunting club to make me decide that.
The whole thing disgusts me. Let's say that yeah, this was booked by their agents blindly. "Safari Club" sounds like "Surfin' Safari," so what harm could that be? Let's sign the forms. Ink is dry. Oh, s**t, we realize now that it's a trophy hunting organization! Crap! "They can't back out," I'm told.
Well, I'll tell ya one thing...if this exact same hypothetical scenario happened with Paul McCartney, he would have backed out without a question and potentially had a press conference about it. (Then he'd launch an investigation into why this slipped through.)
Again, the whole thing disgusts me. But I didn't sign the petition. Why? Because dammit, I want the Feel Flows box set. And I'm NOT going to tell the Carl Wilson estate -- who as a corporate member of BRI, shares in the profits from music sales [and also proceeds from ALL Beach Boys factions -- the Mike/Bruce show, Brian's shows, and when Al goes out for his shows -- I heard that from an insider] -- that I'm not going to give them money because of a concert that happened on the eve of the anniversary of their loved one's death.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 6, 2020 16:10:09 GMT -5
There you have it, it's done.
I take comfort in thinking about Al, a man of principles and morals and dimples. Hey, Al. Yep, Al's uber-cool. If lived in U.S., I'd buy tickets to Al's tours. He's great singer!
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Post by bryand on Feb 6, 2020 16:27:35 GMT -5
I believe that Jack Rieley's quote is still as applicable today as it was 50 years ago: “To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys’ greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.”
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Post by Autotune on Feb 6, 2020 16:57:45 GMT -5
....but I think this is pretty despicable and all the more so coming from two people who have bemoaned the destruction of the natural environment. It’s puzzling, to be sure. But then, these advocates for awareness of the environment have written, produced, recorded and toured non-stop a number of timeless odes to gasoline-propelled vehicles. They have exalted and praised the product of the automotive industry and are admired for it. So yeah, these guys are living paradoxes— just as all of us are.
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Post by Emdeeh on Feb 6, 2020 17:13:16 GMT -5
Again, the whole thing disgusts me. But I didn't sign the petition. Why? Because dammit, I want the Feel Flows box set. And I'm NOT going to tell the Carl Wilson estate -- who as a corporate member of BRI, shares in the profits from music sales [and also proceeds from ALL Beach Boys factions -- the Mike/Bruce show, Brian's shows, and when Al goes out for his shows -- I heard that from an insider] -- that I'm not going to give them money because of a concert that happened on the eve of the anniversary of their loved one's death.
Thanks for summing up how I feel about this whole mess.
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Post by E on Feb 6, 2020 17:49:37 GMT -5
....but I think this is pretty despicable and all the more so coming from two people who have bemoaned the destruction of the natural environment. It’s puzzling, to be sure. But then, these advocates for awareness of the environment have written, produced, recorded and toured non-stop a number of timeless odes to gasoline-propelled vehicles. They have exalted and praised the product of the automotive industry and are admired for it. So yeah, these guys are living paradoxes— just as all of us are. I await their one about the 409 being used to cut down lions. That'll be a real hoot.
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Post by petsite on Feb 7, 2020 0:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 6:30:06 GMT -5
www.change.org/p/it-s-time-to-stop-trophy-huntingThe petition is now edited to something entirely different - it's now aimed for UK government to ban trophy hunting, and the recipient is Boris Johnson. Taking a look at the comment section, you can see this is the same petition as the Beach Boys ones that has accumulated +130,000 signatures. Now the show that the original petition was meant to stop is over, and although I'd say most, if not all of those who have signed would agree with what this petition says, but I've got a feeling that it's totally dishonest to edit the petition for a totally different, non-BB related cause.
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