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Post by petsite on Feb 5, 2020 3:55:48 GMT -5
From my facebook page:
What is a duplicitous person?
Someone who is duplicitous is almost like two people, saying one thing but then doing something very different, even contradictory. Someone who is duplicitous can also be called "two-faced," a vivid way to remember that this person shouldn't be trusted or taken at face value.
I put this up to show how some on the right think. To wit:
When Rush Limbaugh announced that he had stage four lung cancer, there were those that stated Rush had it coming to him and they said he should die a slow and painful death. This was a level of evil that just confounds me. Right leaning followers of Rush screamed (justifiably) that this was beyond the pale and needed to be called out. Several folks on FB cleared their timelines of such talk. It was so stupid and unnecessary.
Now for the other foot.
Brian Wilson and Alan Jardine are calling out Mike Love for doing a concert for a gathering of Trophy Hunters in Reno. Brian has stated his distaste for Mike playing for this group. Brian abhors violence of any kind and especially against animals. So he made his feelings known. The President's son is set to be the main speaker that night, so yes there are some political overtones.
So what do the same people that called on the left to be kind to Rush Limbaugh say about Brian?
I have read that they say he is retarded, brain dead, not a man, someone who lives off of the work of Mike Love, and someone even said "I thought he was dead by now. He should be!"
I am so mad that I can't see straight. Why is it ok for you to tell those who don't like your heroes to treat them with care when they are sick, yet you have NO PROBLEM attacking someone who has been fighting mental illness all of his life? I guess it just means that you don't really care about anyone. And that is the problem.
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Post by kirkk on Feb 5, 2020 4:45:32 GMT -5
I said I would not do this, but F**K it. Here are some posts about Brian from FOXNEWS. And these are the ones they left up. Some have been taken down.
If the rule of “don’t read the comments” ever applied to anything, it’s Fox News. Stay away, for your own sanity!
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Post by John Manning on Feb 5, 2020 5:21:31 GMT -5
120,000+ now. This gig goes ahead tonight? Some reason I'd thought it was yesterday.
One thing I'll agree with Fille on is that the guy who started this is not one of us. He seems to have taken some pleasure in causing the disruption, beyond merely getting his (valid) point across.
From his FB: "The LA Times is today reporting that I’m responsible for Brian Wilson disowning the Beach Boys because of their gig at the SCI hunting fair tomorrow!"
Actually, I didn't think the LA Times piece blamed him, as such… but hey ho. It's not something to take pleasure in, in my mind; as a fan of all the band's aspects, it is a matter of the deepest regret to me.
Petitioner has reportedly been interviewed by a US radio station but no info on which – any of our American brethren hear the report, or know where it might be found as a stream? Thanks in advance.
This from an earlier FB post of his: "Bloody hell - 37,000 people have already signed it! I only put it up day before yesterday!! A lot of people must really hate the Beach Boys 🙂"
My reply: "I’m a lifelong fan of the band - “hardcore” is the term, I guess. I’ve signed the petition, as have many many other devoted fans. But please don’t assume we “hate” them. Disappointed in them taking this gig? Yes. Feeling let down? Yes. Hoping they’ll change their minds? Definitely. But not hate. Please don’t make that presumption, or project that interpretation on to our support of your petition. Thank you."
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Post by andrewhickey on Feb 5, 2020 5:50:59 GMT -5
If nothing else, saying that the people signing the petition hate the Beach Boys would be counterproductive for him. Why would Mike or anyone care if tens of thousands of people who don't like the Beach Boys boycotted their work? They weren't going to be buying it anyway. People like the members of this board doing so would be more worrying to them, I would imagine.
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Post by kds on Feb 5, 2020 6:57:22 GMT -5
I said I would not do this, but F**K it. Here are some posts about Brian from FOXNEWS. And these are the ones they left up. Some have been taken down.
If the rule of “don’t read the comments” ever applied to anything, it’s Fox News. Stay away, for your own sanity! In general, the comments section of any Facebook page will leave one questioning humanity.
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Post by Autotune on Feb 5, 2020 6:57:41 GMT -5
120,000+ now. This gig goes ahead tonight? Some reason I'd thought it was yesterday.
One thing I'll agree with Fille on is that the guy who started this is not one of us. He seems to have taken some pleasure in causing the disruption, beyond merely getting his (valid) point across.
From his FB: "The LA Times is today reporting that I’m responsible for Brian Wilson disowning the Beach Boys because of their gig at the SCI hunting fair tomorrow!"
Actually, I didn't think the LA Times piece blamed him, as such… but hey ho. It's not something to take pleasure in, in my mind; as a fan of all the band's aspects, it is a matter of the deepest regret to me.
Petitioner has reportedly been interviewed by a US radio station but no info on which – any of our American brethren hear the report, or know where it might be found as a stream? Thanks in advance.
This from an earlier FB post of his: "Bloody hell - 37,000 people have already signed it! I only put it up day before yesterday!! A lot of people must really hate the Beach Boys 🙂"
My reply: "I’m a lifelong fan of the band - “hardcore” is the term, I guess. I’ve signed the petition, as have many many other devoted fans. But please don’t assume we “hate” them. Disappointed in them taking this gig? Yes. Feeling let down? Yes. Hoping they’ll change their minds? Definitely. But not hate. Please don’t make that presumption, or project that interpretation on to our support of your petition. Thank you."
Thanks for your enlightening post. I don’t know how many people here or in the BB fan community have ever campaigned against trophy hunting, I never have. And I’m dead sure I am not starting to in this particular opportunity. There’s two different, related issues here: 1) trophy hunting and 2) the BBs playing a convention of trophy hunters. I understand many people’s feelings regarding #1. But I cannot fake sudden outrage nor add my voice to a campaign against an activity I never campaigned against. Nor add my signature to inflate the ego of a narcissistic activist, nor pretend I won’t buy BB records, nor pretend to disown a group of people whose music I’ve admired all my life because they sing for a reunion of hunters. These guys have apparently sinned mightly through their lives, but that hasn’t kept us from groovin’ to their music. Why would this? Which brings us to issue #2. I think most fans (and Brian’s management) are mostly concerned about the PR backslash an issue like this brings— and brought for sure. But even in that regard, they have endured worse scandal. And if I may: I exhort all BB fans to delete their signature from this petition, and urge those who are TRUE opponents of trophy hunting to actively campaign against it after this show is over.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 5, 2020 7:08:53 GMT -5
Not sure whether signatures can be deleted or not…
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 5, 2020 7:33:33 GMT -5
From my facebook page:
What is a duplicitous person?
Someone who is duplicitous is almost like two people, saying one thing but then doing something very different, even contradictory. Someone who is duplicitous can also be called "two-faced," a vivid way to remember that this person shouldn't be trusted or taken at face value.
I put this up to show how some on the right think. To wit:
When Rush Limbaugh announced that he had stage four lung cancer, there were those that stated Rush had it coming to him and they said he should die a slow and painful death. This was a level of evil that just confounds me. Right leaning followers of Rush screamed (justifiably) that this was beyond the pale and needed to be called out. Several folks on FB cleared their timelines of such talk. It was so stupid and unnecessary.
Now for the other foot.
Brian Wilson and Alan Jardine are calling out Mike Love for doing a concert for a gathering of Trophy Hunters in Reno. Brian has stated his distaste for Mike playing for this group. Brian abhors violence of any kind and especially against animals. So he made his feelings known. The President's son is set to be the main speaker that night, so yes there are some political overtones.
So what do the same people that called on the left to be kind to Rush Limbaugh say about Brian?
I have read that they say he is retarded, brain dead, not a man, someone who lives off of the work of Mike Love, and someone even said "I thought he was dead by now. He should be!"
I am so mad that I can't see straight. Why is it ok for you to tell those who don't like your heroes to treat them with care when they are sick, yet you have NO PROBLEM attacking someone who has been fighting mental illness all of his life? I guess it just means that you don't really care about anyone. And that is the problem.
It is unfortunate that some have found social media to vent their spleens. What gets me is the lack of humanity that is connected with a point of view or political position that would affect how they respond to any illness whether the kind Rush has - that you can see on a scan or the more insidious and invisible injury and illness that Brian has lived with. People who can’t see things like a cane or a wheelchair often thing that nothing is wrong, when there is. The second can be far worse, sometimes, and easy target practice for cowards. My mother always said to “consider the source” when evaluating negative comments. There is little restraint on mean speech, especially in the new world of social media. It reflects more on them than those who are being disrespected. The comments could have just as easily have been kind and compassionate. No need for that - those comments add nothing productive to the discussion. Don’t get upset over it - it will diminish your great productivity. Write them off.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 5, 2020 9:29:56 GMT -5
120,000+ now. This gig goes ahead tonight? Some reason I'd thought it was yesterday.
One thing I'll agree with Fille on is that the guy who started this is not one of us. He seems to have taken some pleasure in causing the disruption, beyond merely getting his (valid) point across.
From his FB: "The LA Times is today reporting that I’m responsible for Brian Wilson disowning the Beach Boys because of their gig at the SCI hunting fair tomorrow!"
Actually, I didn't think the LA Times piece blamed him, as such… but hey ho. It's not something to take pleasure in, in my mind; as a fan of all the band's aspects, it is a matter of the deepest regret to me.
Petitioner has reportedly been interviewed by a US radio station but no info on which – any of our American brethren hear the report, or know where it might be found as a stream? Thanks in advance.
This from an earlier FB post of his: "Bloody hell - 37,000 people have already signed it! I only put it up day before yesterday!! A lot of people must really hate the Beach Boys 🙂"
My reply: "I’m a lifelong fan of the band - “hardcore” is the term, I guess. I’ve signed the petition, as have many many other devoted fans. But please don’t assume we “hate” them. Disappointed in them taking this gig? Yes. Feeling let down? Yes. Hoping they’ll change their minds? Definitely. But not hate. Please don’t make that presumption, or project that interpretation on to our support of your petition. Thank you."
The guy is an political hack and expert at manufacturing outrage and is proud of his newly elevated international public profile. Sounds like a narcissist. Autotune did a very good job splitting the issues. They are separate. And reps are smart to say “no comment.” Anything said, will be twisted and spun into something else hyperbolic.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 5, 2020 9:42:11 GMT -5
One thing I'll agree with Fille on is that the guy who started this is not one of us. He seems to have taken some pleasure in causing the disruption, beyond merely getting his (valid) point across.
The guy is an political hack and expert at manufacturing outrage and is proud of his newly elevated international public profile. Sounds like a narcissist. Autotune did a very good job splitting the issues. They are separate. And reps are smart to say “no comment.” Anything said, will be twisted and spun into something else hyperbolic. I still agree with the aim of his petition – to get the BBs to pull out of this damned show – and still believe he's committed to ending trophy hungting, which is abhorent. I think he's been lucky though, and struck gold by chance on this one. I don't see him as a political hack, just an obsessed campaigner, with a single track narrative which could indeed lead to anything anyone says being spun and twisted.
Very disappointed in most of the press thus far, who've simply based all their stories on the FB statements, and the petitioner's original statement. Only Variety and the unknown radio station seem so far to have tried for any update or original content. They're taking it all on face value. No investigation or questioning.
And while we're not seeing eye to eye on this one, it was your looking into Eduardo's background that led me to find out more about him via other online sources, so thank you for that! While I hope his petition succeeds in at least persuading Mike and Bruce to revisit their decision and consider whether they should play tonight, I also hope he turns his attention next time to some other target, one in which I have absolutely no interest!
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 5, 2020 9:56:27 GMT -5
The guy is an political hack and expert at manufacturing outrage and is proud of his newly elevated international public profile. Sounds like a narcissist. Autotune did a very good job splitting the issues. They are separate. And reps are smart to say “no comment.” Anything said, will be twisted and spun into something else hyperbolic. I still agree with the aim of his petition – to get the BBs to pull out of this damned show – and still believe he's committed to ending trophy hungting, which is abhorent. I think he's been lucky though, and struck gold by chance on this one. I don't see him as a political hack, just an obsessed campaigner, with a single track narrative which could indeed lead to anything anyone says being spun and twisted.
Very disappointed in most of the press thus far, who've simply based all their stories on the FB statements, and the petitioner's original statement. Only Variety and the unknown radio station seem so far to have tried for any update or original content. They're taking it all on face value. No investigation or questioning.
And while we're not seeing eye to eye on this one, it was your looking into Eduardo's background that led me to find out more about him via other online sources, so thank you for that! While I hope his petition succeeds in at least persuading Mike and Bruce to revisit their decision and consider whether they should play tonight, I also hope he turns his attention next time to some other target, one in which I have absolutely no interest!
Thanks, John, for the kind words. I’m looking more at the endgame and how to get there. The band was a means to his end. Using someone else (or trying to take them down - and this was a take-down attempt) to succeed is just blind ambition. This is his cause du jour because he has been involved in other issues apart from this. If the endgame of banning what is “trophy hunting” is the goal, then that is massive education. And it involves those in power in those countries where it occurs to be on board with it and systematically identify (not to shame them) those industries (dark and often illicit) and call them to task with government regulation in those countries and go after the poachers, as well, because that remains a huge underground economy for many. It is major organized crime. It is a process. And needs to be separated from the fisheries and game component and food sourcing with humane treatment, if there is such a thing. Most of us are carnivores from the early dawn of man. This guy acted like a gloating, classroom bully with that quote. He used the band for his endgame - I don’t care for that kind of predatory exploitation. I bet that he will run for office and use this spectacle, as a vehicle to get there.
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Post by bryand on Feb 5, 2020 10:02:30 GMT -5
Personally, I will be happy after this show is over so we can get back to our normal fandom. On that note, who's anxiously awaiting news about the Sunflower/Surf's Up set?
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Post by Mikie on Feb 5, 2020 10:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by AGD on Feb 5, 2020 11:13:57 GMT -5
Just added this to February 2020 in the timeline at 10452:
"Mike & Bruce are set to play a private show on the 5th for Safari Club International, a trophy hunting organisation dedicated to promoting hunting "rights" and infamous for the killing of endangered species. Once the news breaks a few days before the show, the condemnation in both the fan world and the media in general is (rightly) swift and unanimous. A petiton on change.org calling for a boycott of the band's concerts and music collects more than 123,000 signatures in just over a week. Brian, Alan & David join in the general condemnation. Neverless, the show goes ahead."
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Post by John Manning on Feb 5, 2020 11:24:17 GMT -5
Just added this to February 2020 in the timeline at 10452: "Mike & Bruce are set to play a private show on the 5th for Safari Club International, a trophy hunting organisation dedicated to promoting hunting "rights" and infamous for the killing of endangered species. Once the news breaks a few days before the show, the condemnation in both the fan world and the media in general is (rightly) swift and unanimous. A petiton on change.org calling for a boycott of the band's concerts and music collects more than 123,000 signatures in just over a week. Brian, Alan & David join in the general condemnation. Neverless, the show goes ahead." petition
Has the show actually gone ahead already then?
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Post by Cam Mott on Feb 5, 2020 11:25:46 GMT -5
Considering his life long advocacy, maybe he intends to advocate to this bunch directly from the stage. It could happen, see R&RHOF speech.
Hopefully he won't instead come out covered in conflict diamonds in baby seal cape and Dodo skin pants wearing elephant feet boots with a Bald Eagle boa. (<-joke) (fingers crossed)
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Post by AGD on Feb 5, 2020 11:32:59 GMT -5
Just added this to February 2020 in the timeline at 10452: "Mike & Bruce are set to play a private show on the 5th for Safari Club International, a trophy hunting organisation dedicated to promoting hunting "rights" and infamous for the killing of endangered species. Once the news breaks a few days before the show, the condemnation in both the fan world and the media in general is (rightly) swift and unanimous. A petiton on change.org calling for a boycott of the band's concerts and music collects more than 123,000 signatures in just over a week. Brian, Alan & David join in the general condemnation. Neverless, the show goes ahead." petition
Has the show actually gone ahead already then?
As far as I'm aware the show is going ahead tonight: should anything change in the interim, I'll gladly amend the entry posted above.
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Post by dauber on Feb 5, 2020 12:08:58 GMT -5
On Bookface, just about every sharing of any article reporting on this show has some Mike Love fangirly person screaming about how this is beyond Mike'n'Bruce's control, they can't back out of it, they didn't book it, but their agent did, it goes completely against what Mike believes, etc.
Well...here's what I have to say:
- What kind of crappy agent do you have that blindly books you for things without your approval?
- Let's say that yeah, their agent does have a practice of just booking things without telling you. Still, this booking didn't just happen. This stuff happens many months in advance. There would have been plenty of time for them to say "WAAAAAAAAAIIIIT a minute, what's this crap?" and negotiate something else.
- Even disregarding my above point and the ink is dry and there's nothing else to do...this same fangirl, after I repeatedly said "if they back out, what are the consequences?," chose to ignore my question and not answer it. The obvious answer is probably, "Well, they could get sued." Good. Let them get sued. Then you know what you do when you get sued? You put on a concert. In the advertising, you make it clear that this concert is to raise money for a charity that protects the exact lives that are in danger because of groups like Sassafras Club International. Perhaps you even point out that you're being sued and likely taking a financial hit because you backed out of playing a show for people who go against what you believe. Grow a pair of balls and stand for what you spoke out about back in the '70s, will ya?
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Post by Wicked Lester on Feb 5, 2020 12:47:17 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Mike not being aware of the particulars of this gig. Still, on the miniscule chance that he did not and is being forced to honor his commitment might I suggest he take the passive aggressive approach and 'treat' the audience to extended renditions of Wrinkles and Rocking the man in the boat.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 5, 2020 13:09:14 GMT -5
On Bookface, just about every sharing of any article reporting on this show has some Mike Love fangirly person screaming about how this is beyond Mike'n'Bruce's control, they can't back out of it, they didn't book it, but their agent did, it goes completely against what Mike believes, etc.
Well...here's what I have to say:
- What kind of crappy agent do you have that blindly books you for things without your approval?
- Let's say that yeah, their agent does have a practice of just booking things without telling you. Still, this booking didn't just happen. This stuff happens many months in advance. There would have been plenty of time for them to say "WAAAAAAAAAIIIIT a minute, what's this crap?" and negotiate something else.
- Even disregarding my above point and the ink is dry and there's nothing else to do...this same fangirl, after I repeatedly said "if they back out, what are the consequences?," chose to ignore my question and not answer it. The obvious answer is probably, "Well, they could get sued." Good. Let them get sued. Then you know what you do when you get sued? You put on a concert. In the advertising, you make it clear that this concert is to raise money for a charity that protects the exact lives that are in danger because of groups like Sassafras Club International. Perhaps you even point out that you're being sued and likely taking a financial hit because you backed out of playing a show for people who go against what you believe. Grow a pair of balls and stand for what you spoke out about back in the '70s, will ya?
dauber - I’m not on Facebook. They overshare personal information. I don’t understand your rationale about being sued. I would not call it a charity even if it calls itself a non-profit. It looks more like a business where they facilitate trade show type events. The entertainment and ticketed events are behind some kind of account creation so it does not look open - as though you have to join in order to buy a ticket to the event. It could be otherwise but I’m not joining just to find out. This is not the first time such a problem has erupted. www.quimbee.com/cases/Redgrave-v-boston-symphony-orchestra-incYou only get a capsule summary but the gist is similar. And, one distinction is that it was the employer-contractor who cancelled, and not the entertainer. My impression is that the members are paying for admission to certain events or packages. And, maybe some non-members are joining in order to buy event tickets. It may inflate the actual numbers of members if the goal is to buy tickets to the event.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 5, 2020 13:12:01 GMT -5
I see where REO Speedwagon has bowed out.
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Post by E on Feb 5, 2020 13:15:34 GMT -5
On Bookface, just about every sharing of any article reporting on this show has some Mike Love fangirly person screaming about how this is beyond Mike'n'Bruce's control, they can't back out of it, they didn't book it, but their agent did, it goes completely against what Mike believes, etc.
Well...here's what I have to say:
- What kind of crappy agent do you have that blindly books you for things without your approval?
- Let's say that yeah, their agent does have a practice of just booking things without telling you. Still, this booking didn't just happen. This stuff happens many months in advance. There would have been plenty of time for them to say "WAAAAAAAAAIIIIT a minute, what's this crap?" and negotiate something else.
- Even disregarding my above point and the ink is dry and there's nothing else to do...this same fangirl, after I repeatedly said "if they back out, what are the consequences?," chose to ignore my question and not answer it. The obvious answer is probably, "Well, they could get sued." Good. Let them get sued. Then you know what you do when you get sued? You put on a concert. In the advertising, you make it clear that this concert is to raise money for a charity that protects the exact lives that are in danger because of groups like Sassafras Club International. Perhaps you even point out that you're being sued and likely taking a financial hit because you backed out of playing a show for people who go against what you believe. Grow a pair of balls and stand for what you spoke out about back in the '70s, will ya?
Amen.
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Post by AGD on Feb 5, 2020 14:12:57 GMT -5
On Bookface, just about every sharing of any article reporting on this show has some Mike Love fangirly person screaming about how this is beyond Mike'n'Bruce's control, they can't back out of it, they didn't book it, but their agent did, it goes completely against what Mike believes, etc.
Well...here's what I have to say:
- What kind of crappy agent do you have that blindly books you for things without your approval?
- Let's say that yeah, their agent does have a practice of just booking things without telling you. Still, this booking didn't just happen. This stuff happens many months in advance. There would have been plenty of time for them to say "WAAAAAAAAAIIIIT a minute, what's this crap?" and negotiate something else.
- Even disregarding my above point and the ink is dry and there's nothing else to do...this same fangirl, after I repeatedly said "if they back out, what are the consequences?," chose to ignore my question and not answer it. The obvious answer is probably, "Well, they could get sued." Good. Let them get sued. Then you know what you do when you get sued? You put on a concert. In the advertising, you make it clear that this concert is to raise money for a charity that protects the exact lives that are in danger because of groups like Sassafras Club International. Perhaps you even point out that you're being sued and likely taking a financial hit because you backed out of playing a show for people who go against what you believe. Grow a pair of balls and stand for what you spoke out about back in the '70s, will ya?
dauber - I’m not on Facebook. They overshare personal information. I don’t understand your rationale about being sued. I would not call it a charity even if it calls itself a non-profit. It looks more like a business where they facilitate trade show type events.
The entertainment and ticketed events are behind some kind of account creation so it does not look open - as though you have to join in order to buy a ticket to the event. It could be otherwise but I’m not joining just to find out. This is not the first time such a problem has erupted. www.quimbee.com/cases/Redgrave-v-boston-symphony-orchestra-incYou only get a capsule summary but the gist is similar. And, one distinction is that it was the employer-contractor who cancelled, and not the entertainer. My impression is that the members are paying for admission to certain events or packages. And, maybe some non-members are joining in order to buy event tickets. It may inflate the actual numbers of members if the goal is to buy tickets to the event. Either I'm misunderstanding what you've said or you're misunderstanding what Dauber wrote. In the latter instance, he's not referring to SCI as a charity, he's stating that if the band cancel and get sued they put on a gig to raise funds for a real animal welfare or environmental charity. And once more, because you're still (wilfully, I'm thinking) ignoring the obvious: SCI is a trophy hunting organsiation, pure and simple. They exist to lobby for the "rights" of hunters in the US and overseas and, bluntly, to kill animals and as an information exchange on how to kill animals more efficiently. Here's some text taken directly from the SCI convention website (emphasis mine): "This hunters’ heaven has everything the mind can dream of and occupies more than 650,000 square feet of exhibit space. Six continents are under one roof where SCI members come to book hunts, rendezvous with old friends and shop for the latest guns and hunting equipment." "SCI’s evening auctions offer top-of-the-line guns, once-in-a-lifetime hunts and adventures, the finest artwork and more. Every purchase provides crucial funds to help preserve our hunting heritage and fund conservation efforts worldwide." Here's one of those auction items: "South Africa Plains Game Hunt - 7-day South Africa Nyala and plains Game Hunt for Two Hunters and Two Observers donated by Harloo Safaris" Finally, this: "Marking a breakthrough in lion conservation, scientists can now accurately age African lions with a significant degree of certainty. Researchers with the Zambia Lion Project recently released two scientific publications outlining an innovative method for estimating lion age within six months using teeth. "Accurate age estimation of African lions is urgently needed to address conservation issues,” said Joseph Hosmer, Past President of SCI Foundation. “This ground-breaking research will improve the management of lions and promote sustainable hunting.”" The thing they don't mention is that to be able to "use" the teeth, the lion in question has to be dead. Know how many lions there are left in the wild in Africa ? 24,000, give or take. It's a very, very odd sort of "conservation" that requires the killing of the animals you're trying to "save". Oh, and it's a members-only event, unless your spouse or parents are SCI members.
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Post by dauber on Feb 5, 2020 14:25:00 GMT -5
(And, uhh...if Facebook overshares your personal information...the truth is...if it does, it's your own damn fault. It only shares what you give it.)
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Post by Wicked Lester on Feb 5, 2020 14:31:35 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Mike not being aware of the particulars of this gig. Still, on the miniscule chance that he did not and is being forced to honor his commitment might I suggest he take the passive aggressive approach and 'treat' the audience to extended renditions of Wrinkles and Rocking the man in the boat. On reflection, forcing a bunch of hunters with itchy trigger fingers to sit through Wrinkles may not be the smartest thing a person could do.
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