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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
So a fundamental tenet of our rights as Americans is to go to other countries and kill their wildlife for sport? This is disgusting. It is up to those countries to tightly regulate what goes on there. But the burden is on those countries to bring their laws to where their peoples want them to be. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 4, 2020 9:15:05 GMT -5
Just found a list of animals that can be hunted in order to enter the awards scheme run by these people.
Rhino, anyone? Lion? European Wildcat? African elephant? Polar bear?
This list has hundeds of animals, from every continent. Not all are going to go into burgers to feed these hungry, starving hunters.
On the menu tonight:
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Post by John Manning on Feb 4, 2020 9:18:10 GMT -5
So a fundamental tenet of our rights as Americans is to go to other countries and kill their wildlife for sport? This is disgusting. It is up to those countries to tightly regulate what goes on there. But the burden is on those countries to bring their laws to where their peoples want them to be. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. I'm not quite understanding that. I believe that here in the UK it is illegal for people to travel abroad in order to sexually abuse young children, and that they'll be locked up for a long time when they get home, under our own laws, no matter what the laws are in the country they've been "holidaying" in.
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Post by AGD on Feb 4, 2020 9:36:21 GMT -5
So a fundamental tenet of our rights as Americans is to go to other countries and kill their wildlife for sport? This is disgusting. It is up to those countries to tightly regulate what goes on there. But the burden is on those countries to bring their laws to where their peoples want them to be. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. You're on SCI's payroll, aren't you ? This is a trophy hunting organisation that routinely flouts international convention on the killing of endangered species. It exists to promote and safeguard the "right" to hunt and is in no way a conservational organisation. Your continued refusal to understand this is as baffling as it is distasteful. As for Mike & Bruce playing for such an organisation, and thus tacitly endorsing it after previously supporting environmental concerns (Surfrider Foundation, boycotting Sea World)... it's very, very disappointing.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 4, 2020 10:17:56 GMT -5
The BBC:
Daily Torygraph:
Daily Maul:
Daily Excess:
Independent
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 10:59:28 GMT -5
It is up to those countries to tightly regulate what goes on there. But the burden is on those countries to bring their laws to where their peoples want them to be. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. You're on SCI's payroll, aren't you ? This is a trophy hunting organisation that routinely flouts international convention on the killing of endangered species. It exists to promote and safeguard the "right" to hunt and is in no way a conservational organisation. Your continued refusal to understand this is as baffling as it is distasteful. As for Mike & Bruce playing for such an organisation, and thus tacitly endorsing it after previously supporting environmental concerns (Surfrider Foundation, boycotting Sea World)... it's very, very disappointing. No Andrew - I’m on Mike’s payroll! 😂 That may not be the primary function of the organization dealing with all 50 states and all the members who certainly don’t live where there are lions, tigers and polar bears. Do you think that it is realistic to think that all of their 50,000 members have the dough that the Trump kids have to go on a safari overseas (from the US?) I highly doubt it. Only a very small class of individuals have that kind of money. There are a bunch of branches in New England where there are none of those exotic species. Here is a question for you. Under the license, is BRI “on notice” - constructive (info that is readily ascertainable) or actual (express written) of the events being played pretty far in advance? Did no one not know that this was coming up and why is this an overnight furor? If there was an objection, to this event, could that not have been raised earlier and resolved to the satisfaction of all parties and not a last minute crisis? Could this have been handled more discreetly? I’m not making this personal - I am looking at some of the legal aspects involved with potential breach of contract, disparaging of the business, potential economic losses on both ends, even down to the lowly, local union member roadie crew who set up the stage. Just trite stuff like that.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 11:04:51 GMT -5
It is up to those countries to tightly regulate what goes on there. But the burden is on those countries to bring their laws to where their peoples want them to be. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. I'm not quite understanding that. I believe that here in the UK it is illegal for people to travel abroad in order to sexually abuse young children, and that they'll be locked up for a long time when they get home, under our own laws, no matter what the laws are in the country they've been "holidaying" in.
That is a beautiful thing - like when your mother told you not do do anything that you would be ashamed of doing in front of her! We have some awful scandals going on now - some even involving the UK where underage (US) were transported for exploitation to the UK where it was reported to be not illegal. The UK stuff I know far less well. I mean the sport hunting for species that might be illegal in the US that are not in other locations. The US has meddled in enough outside countries. Other countries need to set their own rules and regulations.
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Post by andrewhickey on Feb 4, 2020 11:28:46 GMT -5
You're on SCI's payroll, aren't you ? This is a trophy hunting organisation that routinely flouts international convention on the killing of endangered species. It exists to promote and safeguard the "right" to hunt and is in no way a conservational organisation. Your continued refusal to understand this is as baffling as it is distasteful. As for Mike & Bruce playing for such an organisation, and thus tacitly endorsing it after previously supporting environmental concerns (Surfrider Foundation, boycotting Sea World)... it's very, very disappointing. No Andrew - I’m on Mike’s payroll! 😂 That may not be the primary function of the organization dealing with all 50 states and all the members who certainly don’t live where there are lions, tigers and polar bears. Do you think that it is realistic to think that all of their 50,000 members have the dough that the Trump kids have to go on a safari overseas (from the US?) I highly doubt it. It is, literally, a trophy hunting organisation. That is what it is for, that is its purpose. That is what it's about. It's even called the Safari Club! You're trying to pretend this organisation -- an organisation which is *completely* clear and blatant about what it does, what it is, and what it stands for -- is something else. It is primarily a political lobbying group in favour of people's "right" to kill large, inedible, often endangered, animals for fun. Why you insist on trying to make claims about this organisation which are false, and which the organisation itself wouldn't make, I have no idea. But you're not fooling anyone. I suppose if Mike and Bruce played a Klan rally you'd be saying "Why is everyone angry at them for playing a Halloween party? It's a group of people dressed as ghosts and calling themselves Grand Wizards! They don't hate black people and you're just saying they do because of propaganda from the coastal elites!"
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 4, 2020 12:16:53 GMT -5
While I absolutely despise trophy hunting and agree with everyone's disgust of it, I do draw the line with comparing it to trafficking people for sex slaves, the KKK rallies, etc. Please, let's keep your comments within the hunting realm. Thank you.
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Post by Wicked Lester on Feb 4, 2020 12:19:11 GMT -5
It makes me wonder just how bored a mega rich person must be with their lives to decide they have nothing better to do than to shoot an endangered species just for the hell of it. Sayin' that I have not signed the petition because a- There's no way I'm not buying the Feel Flows box when it drops. b- I'm not a fan of internet cancel culture. Mike has the right to accept any gig he wishes. However, in doing this show I feel Mike has lost the right to preach about environmental issues and conservation without kindly being told to 'cram it'. It's a shame 'cos Don't Go Near the Water, Pacific Ocean Blues and even Summer in Paradise are fucking good songs. Why the man who wrote them would show support for such a blood sport is a mystery.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 12:54:39 GMT -5
No Andrew - I’m on Mike’s payroll! 😂 That may not be the primary function of the organization dealing with all 50 states and all the members who certainly don’t live where there are lions, tigers and polar bears. Do you think that it is realistic to think that all of their 50,000 members have the dough that the Trump kids have to go on a safari overseas (from the US?) I highly doubt it. It is, literally, a trophy hunting organisation. That is what it is for, that is its purpose. That is what it's about. It's even called the Safari Club! You're trying to pretend this organisation -- an organisation which is *completely* clear and blatant about what it does, what it is, and what it stands for -- is something else. It is primarily a political lobbying group in favour of people's "right" to kill large, inedible, often endangered, animals for fun. Why you insist on trying to make claims about this organisation which are false, and which the organisation itself wouldn't make, I have no idea. But you're not fooling anyone. I suppose if Mike and Bruce played a Klan rally you'd be saying "Why is everyone angry at them for playing a Halloween party? It's a group of people dressed as ghosts and calling themselves Grand Wizards! They don't hate black people and you're just saying they do because of propaganda from the coastal elites!" Andrew H - reasonable minds can differ. It is not the Klan. One of the “coastal elites,” Governor Northam has appeared in blackface. And he is a medical doctor who thinks it is ok for a child to be born, “kept comfortable.” Then allowed to die. That is a bright line for me. I’m passionately opposed to that. But he is a Democrat so he got a pass and was not removed from office and summarily publicly shamed. A Republican would have been tarred and feathered. He is anti-Second Amendment and wants to remove all firearms from his state. Where you find this movement, you will find anti-hunting sentiment. He is a two-fer - blackface and getting away with it and anti Second Amendment. That organization has affiliates all over the world, even including in London - called the London Shooting Club with 400 members. A couple of hours away from me is one SCI branch, has a “Youth Fishing Event and a Cookout.” Does that sound like a Safari to shoot big game? I highly doubt from the socioeconomic status of the area - that anyone is hunting big game, even if the legal protection that they lobby for is big game. The way to defeat that is to get lobbyists who lobby against it. You don’t put a business (music or selling shaving cream) in the middle as the vehicle to raise awareness to your cause. It is a distraction. Fight your own battles and don’t drag others into it to shame them. They are not getting a pass, but there has to be context about the “range of activities” they are involved in and whether they are doing some positive things. So, this guy who is on a political mission should just take his problem to the United Nations and ask for legislation to be drafted to outlaw it. He is no neophyte. You can bet that he has all the anti-Second Amendment list-serves just jumping on the band wagon because it webs out to another agenda of theirs. One hand washes the other in politics. And, I thought I was clear that this is not my thing, but, cancelling an event when everyone was “on notice” is not something that I can support. It is not just the band on the stage. The logistics are mind blowing. Even if Trump Jr., is giving a speech, and is a member, that should not give rise to cancellation of an event that was planned well in advance. The photo of the Trump sons triggered this. Here is the real reason for this. Irrational and unbridled Trump-hate. Any Trump. TDS.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 4, 2020 12:56:45 GMT -5
It makes me wonder just how bored a mega rich person must be with their lives to decide they have nothing better to do than to shoot an endangered species just for the hell of it. Sayin' that I have not signed the petition because a- There's no way I'm not buying the Feel Flows box when it drops. b- I'm not a fan of internet cancel culture. Mike has the right to accept any gig he wishes. However, in doing this show I feel Mike has lost the right to preach about environmental issues and conservation without kindly being told to 'cram it'. It's a shame 'cos Don't Go Near the Water, Pacific Ocean Blues and even Summer in Paradise are fucking good songs. Why the man who wrote them would show support for such a blood sport is a mystery.
Trophy hunting and poaching are despicable acts against our wild animals. I would rather spot a lion, elephant, rhino, bison and bears in their natural habitat and watch their grandeur as they roam free in their splendor, than to see them bagged, stuffed or hung on a wall. I will never understand why people want to kill for sport or for making piano keys.
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Post by Wicked Lester on Feb 4, 2020 13:06:06 GMT -5
It makes me wonder just how bored a mega rich person must be with their lives to decide they have nothing better to do than to shoot an endangered species just for the hell of it. Sayin' that I have not signed the petition because a- There's no way I'm not buying the Feel Flows box when it drops. b- I'm not a fan of internet cancel culture. Mike has the right to accept any gig he wishes. However, in doing this show I feel Mike has lost the right to preach about environmental issues and conservation without kindly being told to 'cram it'. It's a shame 'cos Don't Go Near the Water, Pacific Ocean Blues and even Summer in Paradise are fucking good songs. Why the man who wrote them would show support for such a blood sport is a mystery.
Trophy hunting and poaching are despicable acts against our wild animals. I would rather spot a lion, elephant, rhino, bison and bears in their natural habitat and watch their grandeur as they roam free in their splendor, than to see them bagged, stuffed or hung on a wall. I will never understand why people want to kill for sport or for making piano keys. It wouldn't be quite as bad if you couldn't take two steps in Africa without tripping over an elephant or rhino, but many of these animals are close to being extinct. Once they are gone they're gone. To hunt them for kicks is just stupid and irresponsible.
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Post by AGD on Feb 4, 2020 13:10:31 GMT -5
I see someone is waving the 2nd Amendment flag here. For their information, it was framed in 1791 when the cutting edge technology was a muzzle loading musket capable of maybe two shots a minute in expert hands. It cannot apply to modern firearms,and in any case concerned not the right to bear arms but rather the need for a standing militia. In 1791. The SCI are as much anti gun control as they are pro trophy hunting, that is unreservedly.
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Post by brucesshorts on Feb 4, 2020 13:31:03 GMT -5
Come on. These ARE the guys who did Surfin Safari, right??
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Post by Wicked Lester on Feb 4, 2020 13:50:39 GMT -5
Let's go huntin' now,
Everybody's learning how, Come on and safari with me.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 13:51:13 GMT -5
I see someone is waving the 2nd Amendment flag here. For their information, it was framed in 1791 when the cutting edge technology was a muzzle loading musket capable of maybe two shots a minute in expert hands. It cannot apply to modern firearms,and in any case concerned not the right to bear arms but rather the need for a standing militia. In 1791. The SCI are as much anti gun control as they are pro trophy hunting, that is unreservedly. That is only part of the story. “The Founding Fathers didn’t ask why it was necessary to provide the people a means to resist central government. It was a problem that they had very recently encounter in real life, in the form of thousands of Redcoats sent across the Atlantic by a distant government to suspend civil rights and enforce oppressive laws. So when they drafted their own system of central government and provided it sufficient military force to repel or deter foreign threats, they were profound lying concerned that this new national government would not be able to turn its power back against its own citizens. Their solution was to make sure that the government drew its military power from the citizens themselves. That is the meaning of the much misinterpreted preamble to the Second Amendment: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state.” The idea was to rely for our defense on an armed citizenry. That can be called up as a militia. If the people themselves are the military power of the sate then that power cannot be used against the people. That is what they meant when they called this system “necessary to the security of a free state.” None of this is obsolete, despite advances in weapons, training, tactics, and the professionalization of the military. We still adhere to this system, in both letter and spirit, in three ways: an armed citizenry, a military of citizen soldiers and the National Guard.” from thefederalist.com/2018/03/22/how-the-second-amendment-prevents-tyranny/
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 13:56:33 GMT -5
Come on. These ARE the guys who did Surfin Safari, right?? And welcome, brucesshorts! 🏄🏻♂️
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Post by petsite on Feb 4, 2020 14:00:07 GMT -5
The Beach Boys should be able to play any venue and event they want. Period.
And the fans of the group have the right to express any opinions about their choices as they want. Period.
There seems to be a train of thought in the US that goes like this: I should be able to do what I want to do. You should keep your mouth shut about what I do. Keep you opinions to yourself. However, I can spout my opinions freely.
That is what Mike's statement seems to say. The Beach Boys can do what they like. But we can tell them what we think of what they are doing. It (to me) would be the same if Mike and Bruce decided to do a tour performing SUMMER IN PARADISE in its entirety. You can do it. But we will stay home. That is our right. Same here. You can perform for a group of people whose self-worth is so small that they have to kill innocent creatures to try and inflate their egos. But we can tell you that killing this animals and supporting those who do so is wrong.
Period.
PS-I could give a flying f**k that the Trumps are involved. Don't really care.
BTW, this is a photo on the Safari website. Lets kill some beautiful creature and drink champagne over its dead body.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 4, 2020 14:00:49 GMT -5
I see someone is waving the 2nd Amendment flag here. For their information, it was framed in 1791 when the cutting edge technology was a muzzle loading musket capable of maybe two shots a minute in expert hands. It cannot apply to modern firearms,and in any case concerned not the right to bear arms but rather the need for a standing militia. In 1791. The SCI are as much anti gun control as they are pro trophy hunting, that is unreservedly. No need for the 2nd Amendment flag, here. I have a few friends who are hunters and most times never need more than one or two shots. Andrew, while you are free to read the "Right to bear arms" anyway you please, your explanation has never held up in court. Last thing on the Bill of Rights, these are God-given rights for which no man or government is to take away. I feel damn lucky to live in a country that values those rights. As for gun laws, all I can say is that "Laws, guns or otherwise, are for the law-abiding".
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Post by brucesshorts on Feb 4, 2020 14:03:34 GMT -5
Come on. These ARE the guys who did Surfin Safari, right?? And welcome, brucesshorts! 🏄🏻♂️ Thank you! I’ve actually been on this board since the beginning but I had to create a new profile in order to comment this time, for some reason
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Post by E on Feb 4, 2020 14:09:34 GMT -5
BTW, this is a photo on the Safari website. Lets kill some beautiful creature and drink champagne over its dead body.
Yee-hah.
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Post by petsite on Feb 4, 2020 14:12:09 GMT -5
New update:
Wilson's publicist, Jean Sievers, said Wilson only found out about the Safari Club gig and petition on Saturday, but that his love for animals is lifelong.
"Just look at the cover for 'Pet Sounds,'" said Sievers, referencing the photos of the band members posing with goats on the jacket of the 1966 album. "Brian has always been a big animal lover."
Jerry Schilling, who has worked on-and-off with the band for decades, said he knows about the petition but declined to comment on it.
"I don't want to get into any press discussion about this," said Schilling, a longtime music industry professional who worked with the band from the late 1960s to the late '80s and is referred to as a manager in recent press accounts.
He referred a reporter to Love's website. Love did not respond to an email sent through the site.
Sievers said Wilson is on a cruise and is unavailable for comment.
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Post by petsite on Feb 4, 2020 14:20:05 GMT -5
I don't want to print them here, but go to foxnews.com and read some the remarks about Brian's stand against Mike playing this show. People are hateful.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 4, 2020 14:21:53 GMT -5
The Beach Boys should be able to play any venue and event they want. Period.
And the fans of the group have the right to express any opinions about their choices as they want. Period.
There seems to be a train of thought in the US that goes like this: I should be able to do what I want to do. You should keep your mouth shut about what I do. Keep you opinions to yourself. However, I can spout my opinions freely.
That is what Mike's statement seems to say. The Beach Boys can do what they like. But we can tell them what we think of what they are doing. It (to me) would be the same if Mike and Bruce decided to do a tour performing SUMMER IN PARADISE in its entirety. You can do it. But we will stay home. That is our right. Same here. You can perform for a group of people whose self-worth is so small that they have to kill innocent creatures to try and inflate their egos. But we can tell you that killing this animals and supporting those who do so is wrong.
Period.
PS-I could give a flying f**k that the Trumps are involved. Don't really care.
BTW, this is a photo on the Safari website. Lets kill some beautiful creature and drink champagne over its dead body.
That is gross. I’m the first one to say it. But so is this. www.wideopenspaces.com/15-frightening-moose-vs-vehicle-collisions-pics/If the pretext for hunting, is thinning out the population to avoid this risk, how do we control the population? Is there birth control for animals?
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