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Post by jay on Aug 8, 2024 19:46:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Ed Roach would know/remember.
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Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2024 0:15:50 GMT -5
Excellent work... and shows how much I know!  |
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Post by Custom Machine on Aug 9, 2024 1:16:37 GMT -5
jk, you nailed it! Right next door to Big Guss’, which advertises "The World’s Biggest All Beef Hot Dogs” is the Classic Theater, thus highly likely the venue in question. This is a 1972 photo, two years after the appearance of the Flame and Beach Boys and associates, so while the marquee on the Classic Theater states “Adult Entertainment,” it could have well been a regular club in 1970. Also possible it operated under a different name at that time, although the sign looks rather vintage. |
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Post by jk on Aug 9, 2024 4:07:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words, folks. Those many hours spent staring at historic photos (and going cross-eyed in the process) paid dividends in the end!
Although I nearly fell off my chair when I saw it...
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Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2024 8:49:16 GMT -5
One small problem with the caption: there is currently no Sweetzer Street in LA, so not easy to work out where the stand actually is.
That said, there is a North Sweetzer Avenue that currently crosses Santa Monica Blvd in Crescent (just a hoot and a holler east of Barney's Beanery).
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Post by filledeplage on Aug 9, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -5
One small problem with the caption: there is currently no Sweetzer Street in LA, so not easy to work out where the stand actually is. The deed registry in the county or the city/town would know what streets were renamed. |
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Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2024 9:38:22 GMT -5
And we have an address: The Gardens of Taxco was founded in 1971 at 1113 N. Harper Avenue, which is indeed on SMB just along from N. Sweetzer Avenue. That means Big Guss' was at something like 8250. Was the Flame showcase at the Classic Theater? It's a possibility, but the report said " near the Big Gus Hot Dog Stand", not "next to..." so... who knows? This is what it looks like today:
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Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2024 10:26:06 GMT -5
I wonder if Ed Roach would know/remember. I'll ask. He's thinking about it.  |
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Post by Steve Mayo on Aug 10, 2024 9:50:15 GMT -5
There is also a south sweetzer ave.
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 10, 2024 12:35:46 GMT -5
And we have an address: The Gardens of Taxco was founded in 1971 at 1113 N. Harper Avenue, which is indeed on SMB just along from N. Sweetzer Avenue. That means Big Guss' was at something like 8250. Was the Flame showcase at the Classic Theater? It's a possibility, but the report said " near the Big Gus Hot Dog Stand", not "next to..." so... who knows? This is what it looks like today:
In 1971 and 1972 "The Big Guss" is listed at "682 S. Vermnt" while Classic Theater is listed at "8257 Snta Monica". |
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 10, 2024 15:23:48 GMT -5
In the 1969 to 1973 phone directory the only address on that side in the 8250s is 8253 Santa Monica Blvd and from 1970 through 1973 it is listed as "The Yellow Submarine Restaurant".
"The Big Guss" restaurant continued on 682 S. Vermont until 1975 at least when it was written up for it's restaurant.
Maybe the Yellow Submarine served the "Big Guss" hot dog? "Big Guss" was also a race horse in the early 60s.
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Post by AGD on Aug 10, 2024 17:32:12 GMT -5
Very plausible. Thing is, both Billy and the reporter clearly state the club was on SMB. Also, a sign for The Yellow Submarine is visible in the 1972 photo, but on the other side of the Classic from Big Guss. So... nothing changes in the BB cosmos. Confusion reigns.
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 10, 2024 18:34:51 GMT -5
 "Big Gus's Night Club" at 8267 Santa Monica Blvd. "Front of Kelly's Steak House" June 5 may have been its opening.Looks like it might still be there, but sit way back to the north. |
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Post by AGD on Aug 11, 2024 0:10:54 GMT -5
Cameron Mott I love you.
Seriously... this is the kind of group research that simultaenously blows my mind and warms my soul. It took less than a week to find an address, an image of the hot dog stand and an advert for the actual venue, thus closing a decades long open file. Why does it matter so much to me, to anyone? Well, speaking personally, since my first running dive into the World of Wilson in June 1975 (damn you, Nick Kent!!), the music of Brian Wilson & The Beach Boys have afforded me so much pleasure (and sometimes solace), and handed me such a writing career as I've had that to attempt to accurately document their history, often in the face of rampant stupidity, gross misinformation and flat out lies, is the least I can do, or try to do. That I've also made so very many friends in the BB fan world, and latterly got to know the bands, is a glorious bonus. That's why: because I have to, because I want to, and in this I'm not alone. I'll not name names, you know who you are, and the torch we've carried these last four decades is being passed on to safe hands.
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Post by jk on Aug 12, 2024 12:45:00 GMT -5
It's heart-warming posts like the above that make me so pleased I chose to focus just a little bit more on this particular band than on any other. And if I can add some snippet of information along the way, so much the better. While briefly on holiday I discovered that the Classic Theatre has also been called the Classic Art Theatre:  "The Classic Art Theatre opened on March 9th, 1966 with a double bill of Gene Kelly in An American in Paris and Mario Lanza in The Great Caruso. It started to show adult movies in 1968 until it closed in 1974. "In 2019 it operates as a dry cleaners named Village Cleaners." Source: cinematreasures.org/theaters/60974Maybe they dropped the Art (if it was ever there) when they started showing dirty movies. Interestingly, the OST of An American in Paris is entirely comprised of music by Gershwin, which I'm sure completes some circle somewhere... |
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Post by jk on Aug 13, 2024 3:36:15 GMT -5
View Attachment"Big Gus's Night Club" at 8267 Santa Monica Blvd. "Front of Kelly's Steak House" June 5 may have been its opening.Looks like it might still be there, but sit way back to the north. Mopping up, I found this folder (or maybe wrapper) advertising said steak house chain:  |
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Post by John Manning on Aug 13, 2024 3:59:21 GMT -5
View Attachment"Big Gus's Night Club" at 8267 Santa Monica Blvd. "Front of Kelly's Steak House" June 5 may have been its opening.Looks like it might still be there, but sit way back to the north. Mopping up, I found this folder (or maybe wrapper) advertising said steak house chain: View AttachmentThink that’s a match packet. |
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Post by jk on Aug 13, 2024 5:15:36 GMT -5
Mopping up, I found this folder (or maybe wrapper) advertising said steak house chain: View AttachmentThink that’s a match packet. Yes of course! That would explain the word "striking".  I've since seen this very item described on eBay as a "vintage matchcover". Er... are we still looking for something, or has it been found? |
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Post by E on Aug 13, 2024 6:55:26 GMT -5
Mopping up, I found this folder (or maybe wrapper) advertising said steak house chain: View AttachmentThink that’s a match packet. Usually puts you at the scene of some crime or other... |
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Post by AGD on Aug 13, 2024 13:56:12 GMT -5
Mopping up, I found this folder (or maybe wrapper) advertising said steak house chain: View AttachmentThink that’s a match packet. "Universal Match" is a bit of a clue... |
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Post by jk on Aug 13, 2024 16:27:22 GMT -5
Think that’s a match packet. "Universal Match" is a bit of a clue... H'mm. Just a bit of one. They should have made it plural. I found a mention of Kelly's Steak House that might be of more than passing interest. It's a few posts down on this fantastic page, just after The Riptides. (Don't forget the Comments and Replies.) |
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Post by runnersdialzero on Aug 14, 2024 9:42:47 GMT -5
what is wrong with "amusement parks U.S.A."
why does it sound like thaAAT
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Post by Mikie on Aug 14, 2024 10:08:31 GMT -5
what is wrong with "amusement parks U.S.A." why does it sound like thaAAT Huh? Sound like what? |
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Post by ian on Aug 15, 2024 11:23:41 GMT -5
I guess we established that Billy H had a good memory
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Aug 29, 2024 2:12:59 GMT -5
Why is it considered cowardly to laugh at a cigarette butt going ‘pfft’?
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