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Post by Matt H on Jul 18, 2024 12:21:01 GMT -5
It has been said that Dennis lived in the Canary Islands for part of the recording of Holland. Do we know where in the islands? I’m on holiday in Tenerife, and am curious if it was this island somewhere, and if so, what part of the island. BTW, it seems pretty far away from Holland.
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Post by lizzielooziani on Jul 18, 2024 12:31:45 GMT -5
Not a question per se. saw in my FB feed an ad for special headphones for those with hearing loss in one ear. Supposedly one can, with these, hear “stereo” with only one good ear.
yuniheadphones.com
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Post by AGD on Jul 18, 2024 13:40:24 GMT -5
It has been said that Dennis lived in the Canary Islands for part of the recording of Holland. Do we know where in the islands? I’m on holiday in Tenerife, and am curious if it was this island somewhere, and if so, what part of the island. BTW, it seems pretty far away from Holland. Never seen anywhere specific mentioned. He flew in for sessions.
edit: checked in Jon's book and he doesn't mention a specific location...
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Post by lonelysummer on Jul 18, 2024 13:53:05 GMT -5
Not a question per se. saw in my FB feed an ad for special headphones for those with hearing loss in one ear. Supposedly one can, with these, hear “stereo” with only one good ear. yuniheadphones.com I need these!
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felipe
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Post by felipe on Jul 19, 2024 1:13:47 GMT -5
Can we say for sure this isn't Carl pretending to be Brian?
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Post by AGD on Jul 19, 2024 3:50:41 GMT -5
Can we say for sure this isn't Carl pretending to be Brian? That's Brian. The repeated "y'know" is a giveaway.
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Post by AGD on Jul 19, 2024 10:43:41 GMT -5
Dennis in the Canaries 1972: I just asked Ed Roach, and even he doesn't know. if I had to guess, I'd say either Tenerife or Gran Canaria, where the two main airports are.
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Post by Matt H on Jul 19, 2024 17:50:02 GMT -5
Dennis in the Canaries 1972: I just asked Ed Roach, and even he doesn't know. if I had to guess, I'd say either Tenerife or Gran Canaria, where the two main airports are. Thanks for checking!
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Post by dauber on Jul 21, 2024 15:41:04 GMT -5
Can we say for sure this isn't Carl pretending to be Brian? That's Brian. The repeated "y'know" is a giveaway.
If you had played that clip for me with *just* the phone part, my first guess as to who that was would instantly be Brian Wilson.
No way it's Carl; he always had too soft a delivery to sound like this.
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Post by runnersdialzero on Jul 21, 2024 16:56:56 GMT -5
On the '93 box set, the album version of "Surf's Up" is sourced from a different (or maybe higher generation?) master that still has the "ghost" of another song audible in the more quiet parts of the middle section ("Dove nested towers etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) I believe it was there because it was on a magnetic tape that had been used prior and whatever song was there before wasn't completely wiped. No idea where I read all this, it's been ages.
Anyway, just out of curiosity, has it ever been figured out what song was originally on the tape? It's not a Beach Boys song. Google ain't givin me SHIT
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Post by jk on Jul 22, 2024 4:55:10 GMT -5
On the '93 box set, the album version of "Surf's Up" is sourced from a different (or maybe higher generation?) master that still has the "ghost" of another song audible in the more quiet parts of the middle section ("Dove nested towers etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) I believe it was there because it was on a magnetic tape that had been used prior and whatever song was there before wasn't completely wiped. No idea where I read all this, it's been ages. Anyway, just out of curiosity, has it ever been figured out what song was originally on the tape? It's not a Beach Boys song. Google ain't givin me SHIT Well let's be hearing it then: I tried googling it too -- not a bean. These ears can hear it most clearly just before the tag. Most intriguing! Maybe someone with better equipment (and ears) than mine can give it a listen. Once you can hear words, it should be possible to figure it out, although it could take a while...
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Post by dauber on Jul 22, 2024 10:21:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth, that "ghost" version was also on the 1991 Caribou reissue of the Surf's Up album and the 1991 US version of Ten Years of Harmony (the Euro release had the clean version).
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Post by jk on Jul 22, 2024 12:28:39 GMT -5
For what it's worth, that "ghost" version was also on the 1991 Caribou reissue of the Surf's Up album and the 1991 US version of Ten Years of Harmony (the Euro release had the clean version). Which makes it even odder that there's nothing to be found about it online. I've googled every permutation I could think of and then some -- all to no avail. Maybe the clue lies there: who else was Caribou involved with in 1991?
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Post by dauber on Jul 22, 2024 14:14:14 GMT -5
I seem to remember there was a whole thread about this somewhere, and I remember playing the various versions of the song I have to keep track of which was the noisy version and which was clean.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jul 22, 2024 15:10:58 GMT -5
Can we say for sure this isn't Carl pretending to be Brian? That's Brian. The repeated "y'know" is a giveaway. This recording has merit.
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Post by jk on Jul 22, 2024 15:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by dauber on Jul 22, 2024 16:05:54 GMT -5
Oh, gosh, no; I try to avoid the Hoffman forums....this was in a BB forum (possibly -- and likely! -- this one), just within the past year or so...
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Post by jk on Jul 22, 2024 16:32:02 GMT -5
Oh, gosh, no; I try to avoid the Hoffman forums....this was in a BB forum (possibly -- and likely! -- this one), just within the past year or so... Oops, sorry -- no offence meant! How about Surf's Up - Pre-1999?
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Post by dauber on Jul 22, 2024 16:32:52 GMT -5
YES. I JUST FOUND THAT THREAD when I got the notification of your post.
(and I promise you, absolutely zero offense taken!)
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Post by ryankc on Jul 25, 2024 6:58:50 GMT -5
Last month, I found a copy of Pamela Jean/After the Game (for only 50 dollars American!). Ocean Music is the publisher on both sides; so what was Ocean Music? A subsidiary of Sea of Tunes? I'm just curious how the publishing worked here as both songs were written by Brian.
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Post by AGD on Jul 25, 2024 9:42:42 GMT -5
Last month, I found a copy of Pamela Jean/After the Game (for only 50 dollars American!). Ocean Music is the publisher on both sides; so what was Ocean Music? A subsidiary of Sea of Tunes? I'm just curious how the publishing worked here as both songs were written by Brian. Given it wasn't a BB release, I'm guessing it was a one-off for this single.
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Post by ian on Jul 25, 2024 9:59:42 GMT -5
There was a whole thread about that Surfs Up issue but I noticed no one in the know ever responded. Oh well!
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Post by ryankc on Jul 26, 2024 9:34:31 GMT -5
Last month, I found a copy of Pamela Jean/After the Game (for only 50 dollars American!). Ocean Music is the publisher on both sides; so what was Ocean Music? A subsidiary of Sea of Tunes? I'm just curious how the publishing worked here as both songs were written by Brian. Given it wasn't a BB release, I'm guessing it was a one-off for this single. Thanks. I assumed it was a one-off. Is there a reason why they didn't have it under Sea of Tunes? Was it because it was non-Beach Boys? Was it a Murry decision?
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Jul 26, 2024 15:23:23 GMT -5
Ocean Music seems to have been something Brian set up specifically for working with non-Beach Boys artists. It no longer seems to exist as far as ASCAP/BMI is concerned, so there must have been a buy-out.
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Post by dauber on Jul 27, 2024 22:53:22 GMT -5
I was thinking this would be possible for a separate thread, but I don't think this is exactly historically earth shattering or anything.
But the commonly agreed on story is that for the Morgan sessions, at least for "Surfin'," the instruments were Carl on guitar, Al on standup bass, and Brian on snare drum. And the story with Brian playing the drum is that it was literally *a drum* - just a snare. And Al said either that he didn't realize that sticks were a separate rental or that he flat-out forgot to rent drum sticks, so Brian played the drum with his finger, and either a shirt or jacket covering the drum itself, and the drum was behind Brian, so not only did he have to tap the thing with his finger, but he had to do it behind his back.
Here's the thing...I ran "Surfin'" through lalal.ai, and I think I got a good isolation of the drum. It sounds like there's also a bass drum in there, playing on every quarter note during the verse! I entertained the thought that maybe it's just some resonance from the standup bass, but nope: Al plays a few filler notes on the bass between quarter notes, and those fillers don't have an equivalent on the isolated drums...so yeah, this is interesting...if it's not a bass drum, then was it perhaps someone hitting the floor with his foot or something? Sound attached.
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