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Post by John Manning on Aug 11, 2020 18:06:58 GMT -5
I've been monotoring the evolving speculation over Feel Flows: 1969-1971 across several forums and FB pages these last few weeks and it's been by turns amusing, frustrating, hopeful, dispiriting and, increasingly, irritating.. I'm also amazed that, presented with exactly the same scant hard info, peopel can draw diametrically opposite conclusions. My strong impression is that, aside from the hierachy at UMG Capitol, the following people are the only ones who have any real idea as to what's actually going on behind the scenes: The Beach Boys: Brian, Mike, Alan, Bruce & Carl's estate, or their representatives/management Mark Linett Alan Boyd Howie Edelson Jon Stebbins Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, is shouting in the dark, projecting their hopes, fears, wishes and personal prejudices on to an already and increasingly obscured scenario. They don't know. No-one does*. [* except for Carol Kaye: she was there, she knows] Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. A quick peek at the SS board reveals this kind of verbal abuse directed at one band member within a single post: “Clown School dropout … complete fool … His voice sounds like he's got a clam stuck in his throat … the most hated clown the world of music has ever witnessed.” If it wasn’t for some of the good souls in this community, many of them contributing here, I’d be ashamed. Wouldn’t blame that band member if he thought the fans weren’t worth the effort. So much great music… so much disrespect. We’re better than that though.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Aug 11, 2020 18:51:09 GMT -5
I've been monotoring the evolving speculation over Feel Flows: 1969-1971 across several forums and FB pages these last few weeks and it's been by turns amusing, frustrating, hopeful, dispiriting and, increasingly, irritating.. I'm also amazed that, presented with exactly the same scant hard info, peopel can draw diametrically opposite conclusions. My strong impression is that, aside from the hierachy at UMG Capitol, the following people are the only ones who have any real idea as to what's actually going on behind the scenes: The Beach Boys: Brian, Mike, Alan, Bruce & Carl's estate, or their representatives/management Mark Linett Alan Boyd Howie Edelson Jon Stebbins Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, is shouting in the dark, projecting their hopes, fears, wishes and personal prejudices on to an already and increasingly obscured scenario. They don't know. No-one does*. [* except for Carol Kaye: she was there, she knows] Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. A quick peek at the SS board reveals this kind of verbal abuse directed at one band member within a single post: “Clown School dropout … complete fool … His voice sounds like he's got a clam stuck in his throat … the most hated clown the world of music has ever witnessed.” If it wasn’t for some of the good souls in this community, many of them contributing here, I’d be ashamed. Wouldn’t blame that band member if he thought the fans weren’t worth the effort. So much great music… so much disrespect. We’re better than that though.Yes, we are! I'm being very quiet. This is not the time to blame anyone. Let's wait together in peace. The set will get to us. Whoever said what you wrote, and I know who that sounds like, should not get his copy from Santa.
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Post by AGD on Aug 12, 2020 4:38:18 GMT -5
Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. Remember when someone (your guess is probably correct) posted on SS that he'd not be buying the 2018 CopEx releases for no better reason than there was a name (again, not a hard guess) in the credits he didn't care for ? Alan Boyd posted this in response: "Appalling." And that was the second last post he ever made there.
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Post by John Manning on Aug 12, 2020 5:42:11 GMT -5
Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. Remember when someone (your guess is probably correct) posted on SS that he'd not be buying the 2018 CopEx releases for no better reason than there was a name (again, not a hard guess) in the credits he didn't care for ? Alan Boyd posted this in response: "Appalling." And that was the second last post he ever made there. I remember it well, but I think (excuse me making the presumption) that Alan Boyd's disgust was more at said person's stated intent to download it for free (thus depriving band, record company and dedicated loyal employees of hard-earned and well-deserved remuneration) than it had to do with their reasons for not handing over cash to buy the tracks legally. When a person with some standing on a board makes such a statement, regardless of motive/mitigating circumstances, they're effectively exhorting and inciting others on the board to behave in a similar fashion. Leading hardcore fans astray…
Glad to be away from all that; that's the kind of thing that could kill an archive release programme.
Coupled with the recent tirade of insults against a band member, perhaps it just did?
I hope not. I apologise for speculating out loud…
Hopefully we can now return to a state of positivity and a glass half-full state of mind, and some good news will be with us very shortly!
Slainté!
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Post by mustomax on Aug 12, 2020 7:05:11 GMT -5
Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. A quick peek at the SS board reveals this kind of verbal abuse directed at one band member within a single post: “Clown School dropout … complete fool … His voice sounds like he's got a clam stuck in his throat … the most hated clown the world of music has ever witnessed.” If it wasn’t for some of the good souls in this community, many of them contributing here, I’d be ashamed. Wouldn’t blame that band member if he thought the fans weren’t worth the effort. So much great music… so much disrespect. We’re better than that though.Yes, we are! I'm being very quiet. This is not the time to blame anyone. Let's wait together in peace. The set will get to us. Whoever said what you wrote, and I know who that sounds like, should not get his copy from Santa. To many haters there... horrible persons who think they have to hate someone to prove their love to another one. Kind of a sect thing.
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Post by AGD on Aug 12, 2020 7:36:23 GMT -5
Can't recall who, but a major fan was once heard to observe back in the day, "sometimes The Beach Boys get the fans they deserve".
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Post by George Faulkner on Aug 12, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
I've been living in oblivion apparently, and was surprised to see some pretty awful posts over there last week. I don't have the patience to try to figure out if it just comes down to a couple of bad apples, but I'll never interact there the same way again. The (possibly related) harassment of a couple of fans via other sites the past few months (and harassment of people they interact with) by an unhinged fan makes me pause too. A hard reminder that the open web has some darkness.
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Post by jay on Aug 12, 2020 8:33:29 GMT -5
Got to say, the fan community doesn’t always exactly endear itself to the band or encourage them to bestow packages of highly anticipated vault treasures upon us. Remember when someone (your guess is probably correct) posted on SS that he'd not be buying the 2018 CopEx releases for no better reason than there was a name (again, not a hard guess) in the credits he didn't care for ? Alan Boyd posted this in response: "Appalling." And that was the second last post he ever made there. I remember somebody(your guess is probably correct) on SS proudly boasting that he was glad to be able to get said release without paying for it.
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Post by kds on Aug 12, 2020 8:40:48 GMT -5
I've been living in oblivion apparently, and was surprised to see some pretty awful posts over there last week. I don't have the patience to try to figure out if it just comes down to a couple of bad apples, but I'll never interact there the same way again. The (possibly related) harassment of a couple of female fans via other sites the past few months (and harassment of people they interact with) by an unhinged fan makes me pause too. A hard reminder that the open web has some darkness. I think awful posts over there is about the least surprising thing I could possibly imagine.
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Post by John Manning on Aug 12, 2020 8:50:25 GMT -5
I’m sorry, my post has derailed the topic slightly… I hope we can get back on track (and get those tracks!).
I’m an optimist (idealist?) internally but a realist also… This music is worth fighting for, everything Mark and Alan have worked towards is utterly worthwhile and immensely appreciated. So how can we help make this happen?
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Post by andrewhickey on Aug 13, 2020 12:03:30 GMT -5
Wouldn’t blame that band member if he thought the fans weren’t worth the effort. The odd thing is that the band member in question (assuming it's who I think it is, I don't read the other board any more) is unfailingly polite to fans when he meets them in person. He must have the patience of a saint. (This is not to say he has any of the other attributes of sainthood, of course.)
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Post by George Faulkner on Aug 13, 2020 13:59:38 GMT -5
I watched Mike up close for awhile after a show in the early 00s, working an autograph/photo hungry crowd. I remember thinking how good he was at it. Like, really patient, nice, chatty, I couldn't believe it, and it wasn't a private or corp gig or a paid VIP access thing. This was with the general public. The man knew how to turn on the charm like a pro. No Feel Flows updates to report.
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Post by Custom Machine on Aug 13, 2020 18:20:12 GMT -5
I’ve been anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Feel Flows box set and am totally bummed that it is not currently on the release schedule. The period covered is one of the most productive and most musically engaging in the history of The Beach Boys, with all members contributing great new compositions, coupled with amazing engineering work from Stephen Desper.
I’m such a big fan of Sunflower that I have purchased 16 vinyl copies over the years as well as 6 copies on CD, so I’m good for at least two purchases of the Feel Flows box set the moment it is released.
Whatever it takes and to whomever this message needs to reach - please release the Feel Flows box set ASAP. The fans deserve the listening experience, and The Beach Boys deserve the accolades they will receive as a result of the release of this box set.
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Post by dauber on Aug 13, 2020 22:45:57 GMT -5
16 vinyl copies??!? To this day I've only seen four copies, and one was a recent reissue!
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Post by Vale on Aug 14, 2020 7:11:25 GMT -5
Mike Love interview from Aug 13
At around 8:50
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Post by bryand on Aug 14, 2020 8:52:15 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Vale. Sounds like we have a Sounds of Summer volume 2 coming out for the 60th anniversary!
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Post by glenhb on Aug 14, 2020 8:55:07 GMT -5
That was a massive missed opportunity to ask the question we all want to hear the answer to.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 14, 2020 8:59:34 GMT -5
That was a massive missed opportunity to ask the question we all want to hear the answer to. It was asked - just in a way to ensure Mike comes back on his show.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Aug 14, 2020 9:34:20 GMT -5
Have we officially reached a Cohen of silence?
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Post by Autotune on Aug 14, 2020 10:28:03 GMT -5
Why would he hype a not-yet-released box set of archival material he seemingly isn’t fond of? We don’t know his take on the whole process of preparation of FF and what he thinks of the results.
It’s perfectly understandable that a recording artist will not be as fond of his own archival material as his hardcore fans or as the people that work on putting together those sets. Why would Al Jardine care about Passing By version #8 with lyrics? It’s OUR turf, not theirs. They don’t care.
Regarding archival releases in general, many artists feel like it’s digging into someone’s garbage. And as full of riches as these guys’ vault may be, some of them may feel that way.
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Post by Emdeeh on Aug 14, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -5
To be honest, I have little interest in an album of remakes of BB songs or another hits compilation. I have extremely high interest in archival releases, especially this Feel Flows box set. If the guys aren't interested, I ask them, with all my heart, please sign off on this one -- you don't even have to promote it, just sell it at shows.
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Post by Matt H on Aug 14, 2020 11:58:50 GMT -5
I agree I don't have an interest in more remakes. I am mostly interested in new music that hasn't been heard. I love the Beach Boys and this time period is great for songs by each member of the band.
I doubt it will have much impact, but I did sign the change.org petition for the release of this set.
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Post by John Manning on Aug 14, 2020 12:11:08 GMT -5
To be honest, I have little interest in an album of remakes of BB songs or another hits compilation. I have extremely high interest in archival releases, especially this Feel Flows box set. If the guys aren't interested, I ask them, with all my heart, please sign off on this one -- you don't even have to promote it, just sell it at shows. What shows?!?!
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Post by bryand on Aug 14, 2020 12:37:37 GMT -5
Wasn't Keep An Eye On Summer once considered for physical release but got the digital treatment instead? I wonder if this is a possibility for FF over the next 2 years.
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Post by 1975aqex on Aug 14, 2020 13:16:34 GMT -5
I posted this elsewhere...but why would Mike hamper the release of a box set that shows some of his best writing and singing? Oh, that's right, it's the Beach Boys!
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