Departed
Former Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:42:40 GMT -5
I wonder if any trace of Dennis singing "Sail On Sailor" has survived? Or his lead in "A Day In The Life of A Tree"? Nope and nope
|
|
|
Post by jay on Jul 31, 2020 19:50:29 GMT -5
I have little hope of Dennis singing SOS existing, but wasn't a version of ADITLOAT sung by Dennis talked about in the "Bedroom Tapes" article?
|
|
|
Post by jiggy22 on Jul 31, 2020 20:03:42 GMT -5
I have little hope of Dennis singing SOS existing, but wasn't a version of ADITLOAT sung by Dennis talked about in the "Bedroom Tapes" article? Yes, that was most likely taped over though.
|
|
Departed
Former Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 20:48:47 GMT -5
You are all a bunch of really good medieval archeological scholars for sure.
The whole thing is confusing and demoralizing obviously. Whatever happened to the version of add some music to your day that was supposed to have all the surviving beach boys and various family members and was supposed to be some sort of dramatic release in support of this now canceled non existent 8 disk collection of obscure archival work and alternate versions from imaginary universes?
Edit: Some of these songs such as Dennis Wilson singing sail on sailor would really be so fantastic and incredible to hear because an amateur like me never knew or even posited that such tremendous things existed, so as essentially I will look forward to this whenever it comes out and in the meantime will share everyone's sense of disappointment.
|
|
|
Post by bryand on Jul 31, 2020 20:52:07 GMT -5
I am staying optimistic. I mean any band that plays concerts for an aging audience during a pandemic has sound judgement on their side.
|
|
|
Post by craigslowinski on Aug 1, 2020 13:38:18 GMT -5
I wonder if any trace of Dennis singing "Sail On Sailor" has survived? Or his lead in "A Day In The Life of A Tree"? No those have gone the way of Dennis' leads on "Good Vibrations" and "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times".
|
|
|
Post by jay on Aug 1, 2020 15:35:13 GMT -5
I wonder if any trace of Dennis singing "Sail On Sailor" has survived? Or his lead in "A Day In The Life of A Tree"? No those have gone the way of Dennis' leads on "Good Vibrations" and "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times". I never knew he sang on a version of Good Vibrations!
|
|
|
Post by Vale on Aug 6, 2020 3:43:36 GMT -5
No those have gone the way of Dennis' leads on "Good Vibrations" and "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times". I never knew he sang on a version of Good Vibrations! I read he was supposed to sing lead on GV but the day of the recording session he had laryngitis and was replaced by Carl. Craig, has there never been even a take? Were GV, IJWMFTT and SOS taped over?
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 6, 2020 4:37:19 GMT -5
Can't speak for the first two, but Dennis' partial lead for "SO, S" was taped over by Carl having a crack, which in turn was taped over by Blondie.
|
|
|
Post by John Manning on Aug 6, 2020 6:07:20 GMT -5
Is it at all possible that a safety was being made during the sessions? Stephen Desper seemed certain he had a copy of the (I think) Carl lead a year or two back; I know there was debate over the audio that surfaced, but maybe the safety does exist, somewhere.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 6, 2020 6:51:34 GMT -5
No safety copy was made - no time - and as for the audio SWD posted of "Carl's" "Sailor" vocal, absolutely everyone who heard it was of the opinion that it was the released, Blondie, vocal.
|
|
Hydra
Kahuna
Posts: 222
Likes: 157
|
Post by Hydra on Aug 6, 2020 7:04:52 GMT -5
that whole thing was very strange, it was very obviously Blondie singing, and then Steve got angry and took down the study video
|
|
|
Post by Vale on Aug 6, 2020 7:06:49 GMT -5
No safety copy was made - no time - and as for the audio SWD posted of "Carl's" "Sailor" vocal, absolutely everyone who heard it was of the opinion that it was the released, Blondie, vocal. On his study videos, IIRC, he said that sometimes they voluntarily sounds like each other, I remember this when he analyzed the "Cool, Cool Water" track (the last verse when Mike missed some lyrics and were replaced by Carl, I think). Correct me if I'm wrong since I listened to it some time ago.
|
|
|
Post by craigslowinski on Aug 6, 2020 8:10:45 GMT -5
I never knew he sang on a version of Good Vibrations! I read he was supposed to sing lead on GV but the day of the recording session he had laryngitis and was replaced by Carl. Craig, has there never been even a take? Were GV, IJWMFTT and SOS taped over? Evidence exists to confirm that Dennis had a go at the "GV" lead, with the earlier Tony Asher lyrics. However, this evidence is not in the form of existing audio.
|
|
|
Post by John Manning on Aug 6, 2020 8:20:40 GMT -5
No safety copy was made - no time - and as for the audio SWD posted of "Carl's" "Sailor" vocal, absolutely everyone who heard it was of the opinion that it was the released, Blondie, vocal. Absolutely, but his insistence (he's one of the most highly respected people in the Beach Boys story, and his engineering/production was absolutely cutting edge) made me wonder if he'd simply used the wrong file… I seem to recollect reading that he has his own massive archive of BBs recordings (safeties etc) in staorage somewhere. Wonder if they might've been tapped for this box set?
|
|
|
Post by Vale on Aug 6, 2020 8:28:16 GMT -5
No safety copy was made - no time - and as for the audio SWD posted of "Carl's" "Sailor" vocal, absolutely everyone who heard it was of the opinion that it was the released, Blondie, vocal. Absolutely, but his insistence (he's one lof the most highly respected people in the Beach Boys story, and his engineering/production was absolutely cutting edge) made me wonder if he'd simply used the wrong file… I seem to recollect reading that he has his own massive archive of BBs recordings (safeties etc) in staorage somewhere. Wonder if they might've been tapped for this box set? I really hope he has been involved, his recording techniques were ahead for those times and it wouldn't surprise me if in the long-awaited box set there are bonus tracks mastered with the sound he would have liked.
|
|
|
Post by Cam Mott on Aug 6, 2020 8:59:35 GMT -5
2022: A tape arrives at EH HQ of an extended take with Carl explaining "that's my version of what it would sound like if Blondie sang it".
On the other hand the aging memory is an odd thing, I have a vivid memory of meeting the artist Christo and his wife at uni in '71/'72 but none of my uni pals, who would have also been there, remember anything like it.
2044: A Super8 tape arrives at EH HQ of a conversation between a youthful, hairful Cam as one of his uni pals explains that he and his girlfriend are dressed up as Christo and Jeanne-Claude for Halloween.
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on Aug 6, 2020 10:32:14 GMT -5
Absolutely, but his insistence (he's one lof the most highly respected people in the Beach Boys story, and his engineering/production was absolutely cutting edge) made me wonder if he'd simply used the wrong file… I seem to recollect reading that he has his own massive archive of BBs recordings (safeties etc) in staorage somewhere. Wonder if they might've been tapped for this box set? I really hope he has been involved, his recording techniques were ahead for those times and it wouldn't surprise me if in the long-awaited box set there are bonus tracks mastered with the sound he would have liked. Unfortunately, he hasn't been involved with the set.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2020 15:57:08 GMT -5
I wonder if any trace of Dennis singing "Sail On Sailor" has survived? Actually, there is a TINY trace of Dennis left on the SOS tape - you hear him go "ohh" at one point. Fraction of a second. That's it. Abruptly cuts off where it was taped over.Dennis can also be heard rehearsing I Just Wasn't Made for These Times for a moment at the end of one of the vocal tracks, but the rest of that's taped over too. Care to point out where ? Because if it's later than halfway through the first verse, it's not him... not that it can be in any case as both Carl's & Blondie's vocals were recorded over the top of his.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2020 16:27:19 GMT -5
According to contemporary and subsequent reports, Dennis sang the first verse and half the second one before announcing he was going surfing and walked out of the studio. Ergo any vocal on the second middle-eight - or the first, for that matter - cannot be Dennis. As for Carl's vocal being punched in, the only possible place this could be is the third verse where he sings the response vocal, thus:
"I work the seaways (I work the seaways), the gale-swept seaways (oh the seaways) Past shipwrecked daughters (oh the daughters) of wicked waters
I say "only possible place" because the lead on the rest of the song is Blondie.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 9, 2020 17:33:09 GMT -5
According to contemporary and subsequent reports, Dennis sang the first verse and half the second one before announcing he was going surfing and walked out of the studio. Ergo any vocal on the second middle-eight - or the first, for that matter - cannot be Dennis. As for Carl's vocal being punched in, the only possible place this could be is the third verse where he sings the response vocal, thus: "I work the seaways ( I work the seaways), the gale-swept seaways ( oh the seaways) Past shipwrecked daughters ( oh the daughters) of wicked waters I say "only possible place" because the lead on the rest of the song is Blondie. You really think those reports are 100% accurate down to the minute details? Dennis could've done any number of things on any part of the 16-track without it going mentioned. And yeah, this is the same track as the response vocal - Carl has other parts beyond that, including some improv scatting and an extra harmony during the chorus. In this instance, yes, because all the reports I've seen agree - he sang a verse and a half before going surfing.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 10, 2020 6:11:39 GMT -5
I've been monotoring the evolving speculation over Feel Flows: 1969-1971 across several forums and FB pages these last few weeks and it's been by turns amusing, frustrating, hopeful, dispiriting and, increasingly, irritating.. I'm also amazed that, presented with exactly the same scant hard info, peopel can draw diametrically opposite conclusions. My strong impression is that, aside from the hierachy at UMG Capitol, the following people are the only ones who have any real idea as to what's actually going on behind the scenes:
The Beach Boys: Brian, Mike, Alan, Bruce & Carl's estate, or their representatives/management Mark Linett Alan Boyd Howie Edelson Jon Stebbins
Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, is shouting in the dark, projecting their hopes, fears, wishes and personal prejudices on to an already and increasingly obscured scenario. They don't know. No-one does*.
[* except for Carol Kaye: she was there, she knows]
|
|
|
Post by John Manning on Aug 10, 2020 6:35:44 GMT -5
Actually, it's not just the Feel Flows box that's not reached the market.
Blondie Chaplin was talking up a new solo album*, which was due to have been released last year. No news.
There was due to have been a deluxe edition of Al's Postcards… album, last year. No news.
S'five full years since Brian's last solo album proper (unless you could the Brian Wilson & Friends "live" thing from 2016). No word.
… and even Mike hasn't released a solo album for 12 months. No word.
Oh, and there's been no "18 Greatest Golden Surfin' Gold Greats (inc one unreleased song)" this summer.
It's the end of the world.
|
|
|
Post by Sam_BFC on Aug 10, 2020 8:35:57 GMT -5
I've been monotoring the evolving speculation over Feel Flows: 1969-1971 across several forums and FB pages these last few weeks and it's been by turns amusing, frustrating, hopeful, dispiriting and, increasingly, irritating.. I'm also amazed that, presented with exactly the same scant hard info, peopel can draw diametrically opposite conclusions. My strong impression is that, aside from the hierachy at UMG Capitol, the following people are the only ones who have any real idea as to what's actually going on behind the scenes: The Beach Boys: Brian, Mike, Alan, Bruce & Carl's estate, or their representatives/management Mark Linett Alan Boyd Howie Edelson Jon Stebbins Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, is shouting in the dark, projecting their hopes, fears, wishes and personal prejudices on to an already and increasingly obscured scenario. They don't know. No-one does*. [* except for Carol Kaye: she was there, she knows] Hi Andrew did you see Jon S’s comments about the “circular firing squad doing their thing again” and the “answer being obvious” to anyone familiar with the history of the band? I would be curious to know what your assessment of that was.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on Aug 10, 2020 17:16:37 GMT -5
Simple: it's The Beach Boys being The Beach Boys. Beyond that, I have no idea.
|
|