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Post by Mikie on Aug 14, 2020 13:39:14 GMT -5
I agree I don't have an interest in more remakes. I am mostly interested in new music that hasn't been heard. I love the Beach Boys and this time period is great for songs by each member of the band.
I doubt it will have much impact, but I did sign the change.org petition for the release of this set.
Hi, Matt H! Would you please introduce yourself in our 'New Member Introduction' section? Thanks! endlessharmony.boards.net/board/26/new-member-introductionsNice avatar by the way. Always liked that picture. I believe Brian's face in that photo was copy-and-pasted to another picture of the group, later to be used in the inner sleeve of the Carl & The Passions album.
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Post by Mikie on Aug 14, 2020 13:53:59 GMT -5
I posted this elsewhere...but why would Mike hamper the release of a box set that shows some of his best writing and singing? Oh, that's right, it's the Beach Boys! 1975aqex, we would like to know you a little better. Would you please introduce yourself in the 'New Member Introduction' section? Thanks! endlessharmony.boards.net/board/26/new-member-introductions
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Post by Matt H on Aug 14, 2020 14:00:24 GMT -5
Thanks Mikie, I just added myself to the New Member Introduction forum. Your avatar is a cool one too!
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Post by Mikie on Aug 14, 2020 14:19:44 GMT -5
Thanks Mikie, I just added myself to the New Member Introduction forum. Your avatar is a cool one too! Thanks, Matt!
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Post by Autotune on Aug 15, 2020 6:13:28 GMT -5
For all we know, the band’s awareness of the Sunflower era is pretty low. Except for Bruce, that is, who always had the nicest things to say about the Sunflower period, notwithstanding his by-then imminent departure from the band. But as far as the album goes and the BB are concerned, it was a major flop that bombed at #160(?). An unfair stance, for sure, as Forever, This Whole World and Add Some Music all became concert staples to a higher or lower degree.
I mean, it includes All I Wanna Do, one of the best songs in their entire catalogue, a major production achievement, a vocal tour de force for Mike, and one of the of the peaks of the entire Wilson-Love canon. But yet, up until 2012, it seems Mike didn’t even remember that song existed, and only added it up to his shows after a fan complimented it at a press conference and became aware of the song’s cult status. In later interviews, when asked about it, Mike didn’t have much to say about it, probably because he freakin’ doesn’t remember much about its creation and recording. Most likely Alan and Brian didn’t think much of it either.
In sum, we fans are very fond of a certain period that the Beach Boys (a hit-making-oriented entity) are not.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 15, 2020 8:34:31 GMT -5
Why would he hype a not-yet-released box set of archival material he seemingly isn’t fond of? Other than professionalism? (And if it was appropriate not to discuss it due to its uncertain nature, then that would at least confirm that the set is in jeopardy.) In sum, we fans are very fond of a certain period that the Beach Boys (a hit-making-oriented entity) are not. We are only certain of a few things in all of this: the set exists, it's been in the works for over two years, and it's near-completion (if not complete). So, if there's a good reason to pull out at the 20,000th hour, I'd love to hear it. And since you mentioned Mike's contributions and questioned his awareness and fondness for the material, do you really think any one of them should have the power to quash the whole set? This isn't a Looking Back With Love reissue. There are other contributors. If Mike doesn't want the world to hear one of his songs, I get that. Omit it from the set and release the rest. Let's also consider that the potential issue has nothing to do with music. They've been steadily releasing copyright extension releases for years now. Some digital, some physical. Do we think their memory and fondness for each release were unanimously high?
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 15, 2020 9:55:08 GMT -5
Whoever or whatever (or whoever and whatever) is the hang up, I hope something puts an end to all the second guessing soon. An official announcement of its release would do the trick.
#NotHoldingMyBreath
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Post by John Manning on Aug 15, 2020 10:23:02 GMT -5
Whoever or whatever (or whoever and whatever) is the hang up, I hope something puts an end to all the second guessing soon. An official announcement of its release would do the trick. #NotHoldingMyBreath Actually a semi-official statement would do me, if that’s even possible; something with a little more substance than Al or Bruce’s casual remarks and with more corporate authority that Howie’s much-appreciated off-the-record briefings. As it stands the band’s risking letting down the fans in the same way they did by playing the CBS convention (instead of playing to ticket-holding fans) back in (was it?) 1977. Clutching at straws … just release the thing! #freeFeelFlows
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Post by filledeplage on Aug 15, 2020 10:49:31 GMT -5
Whoever or whatever (or whoever and whatever) is the hang up, I hope something puts an end to all the second guessing soon. An official announcement of its release would do the trick. #NotHoldingMyBreath Actually a semi-official statement would do me, if that’s even possible; something with a little more substance than Al or Bruce’s casual remarks and with more corporate authority that Howie’s much-appreciated off-the-record briefings. As it stands the band’s risking letting down the fans in the same way they did by playing the CBS convention (instead of playing to ticket-holding fans) back in (was it?) 1977. Clutching at straws … just release the thing! #freeFeelFlows No time to twiddle-your-thumbs and wait. We'll see it, and enjoy it, if and when, it is all worked out.
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Post by Autotune on Aug 15, 2020 11:07:06 GMT -5
Why would he hype a not-yet-released box set of archival material he seemingly isn’t fond of? Other than professionalism? (And if it was appropriate not to discuss it due to its uncertain nature, then that would at least confirm that the set is in jeopardy.) In sum, we fans are very fond of a certain period that the Beach Boys (a hit-making-oriented entity) are not. We are only certain of a few things in all of this: the set exists, it's been in the works for over two years, and it's near-completion (if not complete). So, if there's a good reason to pull out at the 20,000th hour, I'd love to hear it. And since you mentioned Mike's contributions and questioned his awareness and fondness for the material, do you really think any one of them should have the power to quash the whole set? This isn't a Looking Back With Love reissue. There are other contributors. If Mike doesn't want the world to hear one of his songs, I get that. Omit it from the set and release the rest. Let's also consider that the potential issue has nothing to do with music. They've been steadily releasing copyright extension releases for years now. Some digital, some physical. Do we think their memory and fondness for each release were unanimously high? Good points. What I tried to express is that hardcore fans’ keenness for a 1970 archival set doesn’t have to be necessarily requited by the group. Some fans have exhibited an uncalled-for sense of entitlement regarding this set, I think.
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Post by John Manning on Aug 15, 2020 11:54:29 GMT -5
Speculate please:
"This product is expected to be released on Friday 09 October, 2020 and will be shipped by us as soon as it becomes available."
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Post by John Manning on Aug 15, 2020 11:57:01 GMT -5
Speculate please:
"This product is expected to be released on Friday 09 October, 2020 and will be shipped by us as soon as it becomes available."
Ach, forget it, it'll be this over-tired thing:
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Post by Wicked Lester on Aug 15, 2020 12:12:18 GMT -5
A boxset that puts full focus on the peak years of the entire band at their creative zenith, yet another reason to dispel that annoying 'Brian Wilson and his five backup singers' myth and yet Mike seems to be the guy dragging his feet on it getting released? Something is not adding up here.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Aug 15, 2020 12:35:39 GMT -5
16 vinyl copies??!? To this day I've only seen four copies, and one was a recent reissue! The older you are, the more ya got. I have copies of Today! and Smiley Smile in their original '60s shrink wrap. I only have two original Sunflowerrecords. Does that mean I'm not a good enough collector? No. I have many Cd versions.
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Post by AGD on Aug 15, 2020 17:15:18 GMT -5
A boxset that puts full focus on the peak years of the entire band at their creative zenith, yet another reason to dispel that annoying 'Brian Wilson and his five backup singers' myth and yet Mike seems to be the guy dragging his feet on it getting released? Something is not adding up here. Only if you're of a certain mindset and subscribe to the "Mike = Anti-Brian/Christ" notion. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't: we don't know. But this we do know - it's any one or more of these four: Brian Mike Alan Carl's estate.
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Post by dauber on Aug 18, 2020 7:07:12 GMT -5
Honestly, if there really is such a set planned, and the reason it's allegedly delayed is it's allegedly being held up by one of the BRI voting members, it wouldn't surprise me if Brian were the one holding it up. It could be that that period was a really bad time in his life personally and doesn't want to re-live it.
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Post by Matt H on Aug 18, 2020 7:13:36 GMT -5
Honestly, if there really is such a set planned, and the reason it's allegedly delayed is it's allegedly being held up by one of the BRI voting members, it wouldn't surprise me if Brian were the one holding it up. It could be that that period was a really bad time in his life personally and doesn't want to re-live it. I have thought about that as well, but how would he have to re-live it? If everything is done on the set as Howie has said, and it is ready to be manufactured, then couldn't he just ignore it. He doesn't have to listen to it, or do interviews for it.
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Post by AGD on Aug 18, 2020 8:42:17 GMT -5
Brian has done extensive interviews for the liner notes.
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Post by Mikie on Aug 18, 2020 11:08:05 GMT -5
Brian had no problem "re-living it" the past few years when he and his band played some of the songs from this era in concert.
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Post by jiggy22 on Aug 18, 2020 13:03:48 GMT -5
Watch it be Carl's estate holding it up due to his infamous "shunshine" flub Or maybe Al has had a change of heart and REALLY doesn't want his original lead for Loop de Loop to be put out!
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Post by Hydra on Aug 18, 2020 18:47:16 GMT -5
I thought for the longest time that, that was just Brian doing that falsetto on Loop De Loop
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 18, 2020 22:41:48 GMT -5
Does anybody find it absurd that when asked if there is "lots and lots more in the vault that we can one day hope to hear" that Mike might not "know how much there is in the vault" that "we can one day hope to hear"? You think any of the various Boys know how much there is in the vaults from all the various band members working separately and together and sessions over the decades? Isn't that why they have the very capable and dedicated and thorough Alan and Mark?
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Post by Autotune on Aug 19, 2020 17:53:37 GMT -5
Does anybody find it absurd that when asked if there is "lots and lots more in the vault that we can one day hope to hear" that Mike might not "know how much there is in the vault" that "we can one day hope to hear"? You think any of the various Boys know how much there is in the vaults from all the various band members working separately and together and sessions over the decades? Isn't that why they have the very capable and dedicated and thorough Alan and Mark? And, to be fair, it’s likely that when these guys think “what goodies are left unissued” they tend to think about actual unreleased or unearthed songs and not the 25 vocal takes of Deirdre or the early instrumental track to At My Window. I don’t think the group has any regard for “in the works” material.
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Post by Cam Mott on Aug 20, 2020 8:34:20 GMT -5
Hopefully we won't descend into holding people to account for words put in their mouths, hypotheticals about things not said, and/or conspiracy theory.
As a man of a certain age I am fully in favor of #FreeTheFlows (in every sense) and the sooner the better (again, in every sense).
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Post by John Manning on Aug 20, 2020 10:43:24 GMT -5
You gettin' up in the night Cam?
#FreeFeelFlows
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