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Post by AGD on Jun 27, 2020 14:42:28 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this, I might be either misremembering or quite possibly making it up, but I vaguely recall reading that Brian wrote it after Mike took several months out beginning March 1977 to study TM in Leysin, Switzerland. Certainly the band played no shows between late January and mid-August that year (Mike could have managed the aborted seven date July/August Eurotour).
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Post by dumdangel on Jun 28, 2020 9:47:22 GMT -5
Hey guys! I’ve got a quick question today. In session lingo, when something is labeled as “Insert” doesn’t that usually mean overdubs? I was thinking about the session for March 2nd, 1967. There were only 4 instruments; drums, percussion, and 2 basses. I have no idea what you could make out of that, but the session was labeled as Part II: Insert. Maybe these were overdubs for the March version of Heroes and Villains?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 6:55:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know the lyrics to ‘rolling up to heaven’? Can’t make out what anyone is singing Out of respect for the ladies who might be reading this thread, I'll refrain from repeating the lyrics here. I think you can pretty much get the gist of it after listening to it a few times. Just looked them up on another forum.....yikes. I'm just gonna pretend I still don't know what they are.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 29, 2020 10:41:02 GMT -5
Out of respect for the ladies who might be reading this thread, I'll refrain from repeating the lyrics here. I think you can pretty much get the gist of it after listening to it a few times. Just looked them up on another forum.....yikes. I'm just gonna pretend I still don't know what they are.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jul 2, 2020 7:14:08 GMT -5
Here's the info Alan had shared with me (all of this is included in my POB and Bambu essays at beachboysarchives.com):
The intro to FRIDAY NIGHT is based on the first half of the second part of the 10,000 YEARS trilogy - Dennis had reworked it, slowed it down, and recorded a new version of it under the title 2,000 YEARS on April 21, 1976. At one point, it was intended to open Pacific Ocean Blue, but eventually became the intro to FRIDAY NIGHT.
The main progression of the second part of 10,000 YEARS was similarly re-recorded, and reworked into the body of FRIDAY NIGHT.
And, another section of 10,000 YEARS (incorporating jazzy wordless vocals) was re-recorded on March 10, 1977 as a potential tag for FRIDAY NIGHT, but was ultimately dropped.
ARE YOU REAL? incorporates the bridge progression from 10,000 YEARS.
As for the bootlegged version of 10,000 YEARS, my understanding is that it's from the 15 Big Ones era - '75 or '76.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jul 2, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -5
Cool, I was on the right track then. I'd been going off both your essays and some old posts by Alan on the smiley board, confusion was mostly around where the song titled 10,000 Years itself fits in and the alleged 1977 date, but if that's solely the booted track and it's '75-'76 that clarifies a lot. One of Alan's posts also mentioned that the main part of Friday Night was built on another take from the 2,000 Years intro session...which would mean 2,000 Years essentially became Friday Night all in one go rather than one song being incorporated into another? Well, more like parts of 10,000 YEARS briefly became two re-recorded sections titled 2,000 YEARS, after which one of those sections was briefly retitled ALBUM STRING INTRO before both became assimilated into FRIDAY NIGHT, and another re-recorded part of 10,000 YEARS was briefly considered for the tag but dropped. Shades of SMiLE-era Brian!
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Post by AGD on Jul 3, 2020 6:56:07 GMT -5
Trying to compile a list of BB managers: anyone here know when Tom Hulett stopped and Elliott Lott began ? The best I can find online is "late '80s".
This is what I've got thus far:
1961-1964 Murry Wilson 1964-1966 Cummings & Currant (Murry's accountants) 1966-1972 Julius Lefkowitz & Company/Nick Grillo 1972-1973 Jack Rieley 1973-1974 Steve Love 1974-1976 Jim Guercio 1976-1977 Steve Love 1977 Henry Lazarus (or Lozarous) 1977-1978 Steve Love 1978-198? Tom Hulett 198?-2016 Elliott Lott 2016- Jerry Schilling
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Post by E on Jul 3, 2020 7:31:55 GMT -5
Cool, I was on the right track then. I'd been going off both your essays and some old posts by Alan on the smiley board, confusion was mostly around where the song titled 10,000 Years itself fits in and the alleged 1977 date, but if that's solely the booted track and it's '75-'76 that clarifies a lot. One of Alan's posts also mentioned that the main part of Friday Night was built on another take from the 2,000 Years intro session...which would mean 2,000 Years essentially became Friday Night all in one go rather than one song being incorporated into another? Well, more like parts of 10,000 YEARS briefly became two re-recorded sections titled 2,000 YEARS, after which one of those sections was briefly retitled ALBUM STRING INTRO before both became assimilated into FRIDAY NIGHT, and another re-recorded part of 10,000 YEARS was briefly considered for the tag but dropped. Shades of SMiLE-era Brian! Does any of Mike's recently recorded 10,000 years owe something to Dennis' adaptation of it?
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Post by craigslowinski on Jul 3, 2020 8:30:42 GMT -5
Trying to compile a list of BB managers: anyone here know when Tom Hulett stopped and Elliott Lott began ? The best I can find online is "late '80s". This is what I've got thus far: 1961-1964 Murry Wilson 1964-1966 Cummings & Currant (Murry's accountants) 1966- 1972 Julius Lefkowitz & Company/Nick Grillo 1972-1973 Jack Rieley 1973-1974 Steve Love 1974-1976 Jim Guercio 1976 -1977 Steve Love 1977 Henry Lazarus (or Lozarous) 1977-1978 Steve Love 1978-198? Tom Hulett 198?-2016 Elliott Lott 2016- Jerry Schilling I believe Hulett stopped when he died, so if you can find that date, you'd have it.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jul 3, 2020 8:32:21 GMT -5
Also, I think Guercio and S. Love co-managed for at least awhile, and I believe Schilling co-manages with another guy?
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Post by AGD on Jul 3, 2020 8:53:29 GMT -5
Trying to compile a list of BB managers: anyone here know when Tom Hulett stopped and Elliott Lott began ? The best I can find online is "late '80s". This is what I've got thus far: 1961-1964 Murry Wilson 1964-1966 Cummings & Currant (Murry's accountants) 1966- 1972 Julius Lefkowitz & Company/Nick Grillo 1972-1973 Jack Rieley 1973-1974 Steve Love 1974-1976 Jim Guercio 1976 -1977 Steve Love 1977 Henry Lazarus (or Lozarous) 1977-1978 Steve Love 1978-198? Tom Hulett 198?-2016 Elliott Lott 2016- Jerry Schilling I believe Hulett stopped when he died, so if you can find that date, you'd have it. He died in 1993, so...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 9:13:06 GMT -5
Trying to compile a list of BB managers: anyone here know when Tom Hulett stopped and Elliott Lott began ? The best I can find online is "late '80s". This is what I've got thus far: 1961-1964 Murry Wilson 1964-1966 Cummings & Currant (Murry's accountants) 1966-1972 Julius Lefkowitz & Company/Nick Grillo 1972-1973 Jack Rieley 1973-1974 Steve Love 1974-1976 Jim Guercio 1976-1977 Steve Love 1977 Henry Lazarus (or Lozarous) 1977-1978 Steve Love 1978-198? Tom Hulett 198?-2016 Elliott Lott 2016- Jerry Schilling Does Fred Vail belong on this list? He was 'managing' them, in some capacity, starting in around 1969.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jul 3, 2020 9:14:26 GMT -5
I would say '93 is likely, then. Unless he was sick for awhile prior and resigned. I know that he also managed Brian's solo career in the late '80s, which I thought was interesting.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Jul 3, 2020 11:12:31 GMT -5
I believe tom died july 30th 1993.
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Post by AGD on Jul 12, 2020 13:52:05 GMT -5
When exactly were the Cocaine Sessions recorded? I've seen several different guesses ranging from 1980-82, but nothing concrete November 1982.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 12, 2020 13:58:26 GMT -5
When exactly were the Cocaine Sessions recorded? I've seen several different guesses ranging from 1980-82, but nothing concrete "The Cocaine Sessions" was a recording session conducted between Brian and Dennis Wilson. Garby Leon had a Hammond organ and baby grand piano, Dennis had the drums. Recordings were made for songs entitled "Oh Yeah"', "Oh Lord", "City Blues", "You've Been", "I Feel So Fine", "Stevie", and "Heroes and Villains". Dennis brought the coke and hamburgers and that was all the inspiration that Brian needed. One source says November 1982(?) at Garby Leon's home studio in Venice Ca. I'm thinking it was really around late 1980 and possibly into early '81 or New Years. Brian told Les Chan out here in California in late 1981 that he'd written City Blues with Dennis. I also have "Stevie" recorded in January, 1981 at "Sounds Good" studio in L.A., so that definitely rules out a 1982 'hamburger' session for that one. Brian was pretty much under Landy's care in early '82. C-man/AGD may or may not come by and clean up my mess.....
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Post by WillJC on Jul 12, 2020 13:58:29 GMT -5
Not that Brian couldn't air a song out in a home studio setup a year after writing it... But isn't it a little odd that Brian was talking about having recently written City Blues with Dennis and Garby in December '81? Is the '82 date absolutely confirmed? That'd make it right before he was carted off to Hawaii, and his voice is (comparatively) in good shape. He sounds just like he did at Long Beach. The trio's work on Stevie in early '81 is also potentially at odds with a late '82 date (I've heard that was actually started in late 1980 at Village Recorders or Western, with the Sounds Good sessions representing overdubs - is that right?)
Edit: Mikie beat me to it.
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Post by Zander on Jul 12, 2020 14:47:22 GMT -5
Trying to compile a list of BB managers: anyone here know when Tom Hulett stopped and Elliott Lott began ? The best I can find online is "late '80s". This is what I've got thus far: 1961-1964 Murry Wilson 1964-1966 Cummings & Currant (Murry's accountants) 1966-1972 Julius Lefkowitz & Company/Nick Grillo 1972-1973 Jack Rieley 1973-1974 Steve Love 1974-1976 Jim Guercio 1976-1977 Steve Love 1977 Henry Lazarus (or Lozarous) 1977-1978 Steve Love 1978-198? Tom Hulett 198?-2016 Elliott Lott 2016- Jerry Schilling In the Endless Harmony Doc it says Landy was contacted by Hulett in 1983 in the clip where Landy is sat on the arm of a chair next to Brian. Dunno if that's any help?
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Post by AGD on Jul 12, 2020 15:43:46 GMT -5
The best I've found online is that Lott became manager in the "late eighties".
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Post by dumdangel on Jul 21, 2020 13:27:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know how I can contact Steve Desper right now? Which forum is he on at the moment?
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Post by AGD on Jul 21, 2020 13:45:20 GMT -5
Check his contact info in the members list.
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Post by jiggy22 on Jul 22, 2020 12:46:52 GMT -5
Alright, this was always coming: what do we have on the Adult Child big band tracks, both personnel-wise and for how they were put together? Paging Craig and AGD - would the dates on Bellagio before the big orchestra session imply these were started in skeleton form by Brian and then overdubbed? I hear a typical Brian-esque rhythm piano on Still I Dream of It and It's Over Now, but not Deep Purple, Life is for the Living or New England Waltz... think there is a piano on that last one but not constantly under the band. How about the strange phasey guitar work? Those parts don't jump out at me as a very Dick Reynolds touch. I'd say you're probably correct. Listening back to the instrumental mix of "Life is for the Living," maybe the "skeleton form" for the song consists of the drums, bass, and rhythm guitar? Would love to know the exact evolution of this song, always been one of my favorite late '70s Brian songs. As for "Deep Purple" that basic tracks could have been just the bass and drums, maybe a piano too that would later be mixed out. And for "New England Waltz," that basic track would probably be bass guitar, rhythm guitar, piano and drums. The bridge section where all of those drop out make it a bit more difficult to tell, but for all I know, someone could have been counting off the measures so the musicians knew when to come back in (think of Hal counting/playing off the measures on the intro to "Good to My Baby" for reference). The track could have been recorded in sections too, but that's unlikely. Might be quite a bit off the mark with these in comparison to information that someone like Craig could provide, but it's kinda hard to tell when you don't have the complete multi-tracks at your disposal, or at least, solid relationships with the two men that do! Not to mention "New England Waltz" being in such unfortunate audio quality. If someone's got that one in good quality, don't hesitate at all to slip into my dms!
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 28, 2020 16:48:08 GMT -5
So going back to the question of "10,000 Years", am I right in assuming that the track's structure as envisioned in '75-'76 would have emulated or consisted of the following?
Part One: later re-recorded as part of "Are You Real?" (I'm guessing the instrumental second portion of the latter?) Part Two: later re-recorded as Friday Night (intro and song) Part Three: Instrumental outtake as booted
Honestly sounds like a pretty cool jam to me. I wonder if a "work-in-progress" version could be edited together by Alan and Mark after the fact?
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Post by jiggy22 on Jul 29, 2020 15:01:22 GMT -5
Pretty sure “10,000 Years” and “10,000 Years Ago” were considered two different things. “10,000 Years Ago” is the instrumental track that’s been bootlegged, and was recorded during the 15 Big Ones sessions. Of course, this track was later re-recorded by Mike and released on Unleash the Love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 20:33:58 GMT -5
Wish the Dennis version got finished...
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