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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -5
Very credible job! A nice surprise.
I grew up in Sacramento listening to KROY Am. Sacto's country station, KRAK Am, was also in the air. Fred must have been a KRAK Radio fan. Now that I think of it, Fred could have handled Gary and Brian's Sacramento, nicely. |
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Post by WillJC on Jun 17, 2020 12:21:16 GMT -5
2) whose on backing vocals – Diane & Marilyn? Linda Ronstadt is said to be one of the backing vocalists, and this certainly sounds like her. |
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Post by John Manning on Jun 17, 2020 12:45:36 GMT -5
Could the Fred Vail album be included in the Feel Flows set? Time-wise it’s spot on, and it would help account for the increase to eight discs rather than five  |
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Post by AGD on Jun 17, 2020 13:28:16 GMT -5
Could the Fred Vail album be included in the Feel Flows set? Time-wise it’s spot on, and it would help account for the increase to eight discs rather than five You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at. |
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Post by Mikie on Jun 17, 2020 13:48:00 GMT -5
I grew up in Sacramento listening to KROY Am. Sacto's country station, KRAK Am, was also in the air. Fred must have been a KRAK Radio fan.
What?! No love for KXOA?  |
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Post by dauber on Jun 17, 2020 13:57:56 GMT -5
Let's just say that the box set does not come out this year. What tracks "have to be" released for copyright protection? - Seasons in the Sun - My Solution - Big Sur - Back Home (Demo)- ? - Add Some Music (Alternate version)- ? - Tears in the Morning (Alternate version)-? Any others?
I would rule that "Seasons in the Sun" isn't under "have to be." In fact, I'll pay them to keep it unreleased. *gak*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 7:43:55 GMT -5
I grew up in Sacramento listening to KROY Am. Sacto's country station, KRAK Am, was also in the air. Fred must have been a KRAK Radio fan.
What?! No love for KXOA? I lived in east Sac, near Tahoe Park, very near Kroy Way, where the station's transmitter was. When you're 6, that feels like you live near something famous and important. Tbh, I had forgotten KXOA's call letters, I wanted to say "KCRA" but I knew that wasn't right, so I kept the mention to KROY. |
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Post by jiggy22 on Jun 19, 2020 23:40:46 GMT -5
On eBay, someone has started selling off the late Bob Hanes' large collection of BB-related CDs/bootlegs. On this particular listing for 17 CDs, (which ended literally right before I could buy it myself!), I couldn't help but notice this particular TDK CD, of which lists a number of tracks (in Bob's handwriting, according to the seller) that are apparently still not in popular circulation. Specifically, the track "I Really Love You" (AGD's site lists this as having been recorded in Spring 1978, with an alternate title of "I Just Have to Say That I Love You"), as well as what appears to be that oft-talked about Brian Wilson "demo" session with Rocky Pamplin, which included a run-through of the song "A Little Somethin'" (it also seems that Brian ran through "That Same Song" as well, in addition to three untitled organ pieces). What confuses me is that "A Little Somethin'" appears AGAIN earlier in the CD. So does that mean that there are two versions of the song out there? The seller (who is giving the proceeds of the purchases to Bob's wife), seems to imply in the description that this CD is a one of a kind. Has anybody here heard of these tracks before, and can offer some clarification? The eBay listing: www.ebay.com/itm/Beach-Boys-Brian-Wilson-Sessions-Live-17-cd-disc-lot-/264769285200?nma=true&si=aJI8BWalA0XVUpvToi3z6ZSJWcs%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557The CD itself:  |
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Post by Custom Machine on Jun 20, 2020 2:29:43 GMT -5
The copyright law applies to recording dates rather than release dates, but if some recording from a session has already been released within 50 years, it's protected. So if a song came out on the Sunflower album or any time after it's fine. Us getting extra session material at all is a bonus on behalf of Alan and Mark, really. As for the other unreleased '69 recordings: What Can the Matter Be - no tape found 'Til I Die demo - protected because that short Where is She piano clip on MIC is the same session Susie Cincinnati early track - protected because Back Home is from the same session "Dennis' piano interlude" - uhhhhh...no idea Nov 3 & 10 untitled Brian Wilson Productions sessions - likewise By the way, I'm pretty sure Al produced Carnival rather than Brian. Him and Dennis appear to be the only voices on it. Under the EU Copyright Extension directive, if a sound recording performance of a particular song has been released within 50 years of it's initial recording then it's covered by the 2011 copyright extension, extending the copyright of a sound recording from 50 years to 70 years. This covers various studio takes of musically and lyrically similar versions of a song. It has nothing to do with other songs from any given recording session. Ie, if a song from a particular recording session was released within 50 years of its initial recording then it's covered by the copyright extension law. But if a different song from that same session, or any other session, is not released within 50 years of its initial recording then the sound recording copyright of that song expires once 50 years has passed. Any version of a sound recording, from any session, that is released within 50 years of the first version of that sound recording, extends the copyright. in simple terms, just because one or more sound recordings from a given session are covered by copyright, any other songs from that session must be released within 50 years of first recording for EU copyright extension. |
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Post by John Manning on Jun 21, 2020 3:57:43 GMT -5
The wiki entry for The Flame (or The Flames) includes a track list for their second, unreleased album. Notable because that track list includes three “outtakes”, which I guess would be bonus tracks.
Just how far has this album ever come to being released? A track list that includes bonus tracks suggests that it has been well down the road. Would be a great addition (as would the first album) to either the Feel Flows box or any CATP/Holland retrospective.
If Fred Vail tracks (and earlier Audree Wilson and Jasper Dailey tracks, on earlier sets) are eligible on the basis of Brian’s production, then surely any production by another band member should be eligible? American spring too, for that matter.
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Post by AGD on Jun 21, 2020 11:10:13 GMT -5
The second Flame album was produced by the band and Steve Desper.
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Post by John Manning on Jun 21, 2020 13:27:44 GMT -5
The second Flame album was produced by the band and Steve Desper. Damn! I used to know that! Maybe with the next BBs set then, given that it features two band members… dreams… |
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Post by Vale on Jun 23, 2020 5:07:36 GMT -5
The second Flame album was produced by the band and Steve Desper. It was fully completed and mixed in virtual surround. It was played at a BB convention in Massachusset years ago, Alan Boyd and Stephen Desper got permission to play the tapes. Maybe someday it will see daylight... |
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Post by monolithic on Jun 26, 2020 14:45:49 GMT -5
Can someone remind me of which song Al admitted that Drivin' was based on?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:52:07 GMT -5
There is no 'r' or 's' in the Hawaiian alphabet, so Merry Christmas is translated as "Mele Kalikimaka'" That song?
And, I don't have the answer for that. srry
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Post by AGD on Jun 26, 2020 15:17:28 GMT -5
What were the tracklists for all the different revisions of California Feeling/Winds of Change/MIU? And the LA rough mix reel from the Criteria sessions? Edit: Never mind for the first two, found the California Feelings. Anyone know if at some point an LP was assembled while Bells of Christmas and Kona Christmas (not even gonna attempt to spell it) were still part of a different project? From the well of information that is Bellagio10452: "Either on, or very shortly after this date [September 1st 1978], a tape was compiled for CBS boss Walter Yetnikoff to hear what his $8.5 million investment in the band had bought. The songs on the tape (oddly dated August 28th) were a mixture of Criteria recordings - "California Feeling", "Brian's Back" & "Calendar Girl" - and material recorded earlier in LA at Brother and Western: "Baby Blue" (the Bambu version), "Looking Down The Coast/Monterey" & "Santa Ana Winds" (original version). Legend has it that Yetnikoff's reaction was to say "Gentlemen, I think I've just been fucked" (and for that amount of money, could you blame him ?). Certainly, Bruce Johnston was invited to produce the sessions very shortly thereafter." |
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Post by AGD on Jun 26, 2020 15:27:17 GMT -5
Nope: according to my source, that's the tape in toto.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 27, 2020 0:35:37 GMT -5
There may have been more than one "Criteria" reel...
The Criteria Reel info provided by Alan Boyd, appearing in the Spring 2015 edition of ESQ, is as follows:
Original demo tape labeled:
CRITERIA Studio B
Dated: 8/30/78 - 9/1/78
CALIFORNIA FEELIN’
SANTA ANNA WINDS (aka SANTA ANA WINDS)
SURROUND US (aka LOVE SURROUNDS ME) - this is listed on the box but doesn't appear to be on the reel
BABY BLUE EYES - almost complete, missing the BBs backing vocals on the tag - the final lead vocals are there, though
I’M ASKING YOU, PLEASE (aka I’M BEGGIN' YOU PLEASE) - Brian's piano/vocal demo
LOOKIN’ DOWN THE COAST (aka MONTEREY)
BRIAN’S BACK - Brian's production - instrumental track with backing vocals
CALENDAR GIRL
GOOD TIMIN’ - lead verse vocal only
SHORTENIN’ BREAD - track with a scratch vocal by Carl
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Post by AGD on Jun 27, 2020 1:43:51 GMT -5
Would "Good Timin'" be the 1974 Caribou recording ?
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 27, 2020 7:29:23 GMT -5
Would "Good Timin'" be the 1974 Caribou recording ?
Yes - apparently the decision had already been made to exhume the recording and finish it for the new album, prior to the trip to Florida - most likely at Jim Guercio's behest. To that end, the original 1974 16-track was transferred to 24-track at Western by Chuck Britz, on 8/22 (you'll recall that Chuck also made the trip to Florida to engineer for the group at Criteria). Doesn't appear that any overdubbing was done on the track until the return to L.A., but a rough mix with Carl's original verse lead vocal was included on that 1/4" reel with the other titles mentioned. |
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Post by E on Jun 27, 2020 10:27:03 GMT -5
Mix this and what was released together and you'd have a better album. Of course, just our luck that they'd use the wrong tracks...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:53:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know the lyrics to ‘rolling up to heaven’? Can’t make out what anyone is singing
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 27, 2020 11:05:39 GMT -5
Brian producing a version of Brian's Back is easily one of the weirdest bits of underdiscussed Beach Boys lore. Should've put him singing that and Mike singing Mike Come Back to LA out as a double A-side. When I think of this, I always imagine the part where Carl sings, "The-ay say that Bri-ian is ba-ack", followed by Brian himself singing an offkey response of, "I'm ba-ack".  |
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Post by Mikie on Jun 27, 2020 11:55:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know the lyrics to ‘rolling up to heaven’? Can’t make out what anyone is singing Out of respect for the ladies who might be reading this thread, I'll refrain from repeating the lyrics here. I think you can pretty much get the gist of it after listening to it a few times.  |
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Post by Autotune on Jun 27, 2020 13:04:55 GMT -5
Brian producing a version of Brian's Back is easily one of the weirdest bits of underdiscussed Beach Boys lore. Should've put him singing that and Mike singing Mike Come Back to LA out as a double A-side. Anyone knows what the story of “Mike come back to LA” was? By now, we’ve all session footage, but what was the lyric going to be about? |
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