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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 14, 2019 14:31:13 GMT -5
I made it to six today! Yea!
"Under Pressure" is a classic for both Queen and Bowie. I have it on a Bowie Hits package, as I don't like Queen enough to buy one of theirs.
"Tom Sawyer" is great. Rush had some good songs, don't know much about them these days.
"Angel of the Morning" is also a classic, tho my favorite version is by the Pretenders
"You Make My Dreams" was okay "past their prime" Hall & Oates
I picked two more to get to six: "Chant No. 1" after listening to the version posted. Who was that? And Olivia Newton John's "Physical", that I only remember from seeing the clip on MTV.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 15:04:52 GMT -5
I made it to six today! Yea! "Chant No. 1" after listening to the version posted. Who was that? Spandau Ballet, New Romantics par excellence. I find most of their other stuff a little cloying but this really is the business. There's one more of theirs I like, now I think of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandau_Ballet
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Post by Silken on Jan 14, 2019 21:28:58 GMT -5
And here I am voting for Under Pressure. In a Queen survivor poll it would be one of the first songs to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 6:48:20 GMT -5
Here are the results of round 1, heat 8: 1. Under Pressure - Queen and David Bowie (7 votes) 2. You Make My Dreams - Hall and Oates (6 votes) 3. Physical - Olivia Newton-John (5 votes) 4. Tom Sawyer - Rush (5 votes) 5. Juke Box Hero - Foreigner (4 votes) 6. Too Much Time on My Hands - Styx (4 votes)7. Open Arms - Journey (4 votes) 8. Angel of the Morning - Juice Newton (3 votes) 9. Mirror Mirror (Look Into My Eyes) - Def Leppard (3 votes) 10. Chant No. 1 (I Don't Need This Pressure On) - Spandau Ballet (2 votes) The top 6 songs are moving on to round 2. Round 1 continues with heat 9, now up: 1981: Round 1 Heat 9
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Post by kds on Jan 15, 2019 6:59:55 GMT -5
Lennon
The Police
The Cars
BOC
Cristopher Cross
Soft Cell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 8:38:46 GMT -5
Ha! Five this time: "Woman", "Slow Hand", "Stand And Deliver", "Every ... Magic" and "Tainted Love". "Woman" is one of my all-time favourite songs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 6:43:37 GMT -5
The results of heat 9 are in - the top 6 songs are moving on to round 2: 1. Tainted Love - Soft Cell (8 votes) 2. Woman - John Lennon (7 votes) 3. Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic - The Police (5 votes) 4. Just Can't Get Enough - Depeche Mode (4 votes) 5. Stand and Deliver - Adam and the Ants (4 votes) 6. Shake It Up - The Cars (4 votes)7. Endless Love - Diana Ross and Lionel Ritchie (3 votes) 8. Arthur's Theme (The Best That You Can Do) - Christopher Cross (3 votes) 9. Slow Hand - The Pointer Sisters (2 votes) 10. Fire of the Unknown Origin - Blue Oyster Cult (2 votes) We've reached the final heat of round 1 - heat 10 is now up. 1981: Round 1 Heat 10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
Thanks, sf. Just three this time: Duran, Phil and H&O.
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Post by kds on Jan 16, 2019 8:35:48 GMT -5
Rainbow - One of the most underrated rock groups in history
Phil Collins
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 16, 2019 9:01:56 GMT -5
Missed voting yesterday, and not up early enough to catch-up. Five of those would have been my picks, tho. "Arthur's Song" would have edged out "Stand and Deliver". Adam and the Ants? You young folks remember them? Really? They were popular, but it was brief.
More telling - most of them are songs I don't own or listen to anymore. Exceptions: I still have my old 45rpm of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic", but the Police have faded from my playlists in general. "Tainted Love" was huge in it's day, so not surprised it topped this list. Soft Cell were (again) only around a brief time, almost a one hit wonder. "Just Can't Get Enough" - Depeche Mode had much better songs. I remember them favorably. Good on record, and live. "Shake It Up" - for me, this was the end of the road. Loved the first two records. These days... I don't even own a Cars Greatest Hits Cd, and no vinyl. Well, I do own the one where Todd and Kasim joined in to act the part of the departed.
I used the modern lingo catch-word "playlist" a minute ago, but I don't listen to music on those streaming services other than youtube. I don't have youtube playlists, either. If I don't like it enough to buy it on Cd or vinyl, I don't have it. The Beach Boys are the only exception to that rule, but those are bought files. And I hold out hope that one day all of that will be on Cd or vinyl box sets. Speaking of dreamers, back to my comments on 1981 tracks, this one from a dead man.
"Woman" - Lennon was great until the end. He is the greatest artist on this list. No question. I still miss his presence. Yeah, yeah, yeah - I own near everything the man ever did. Vinyl and Cd (including box sets, outtakes, and different album mixes sets).I even have the 45rpm 12" singles from the time.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 16, 2019 9:08:19 GMT -5
And now, a question. How can "Woman" be considered a track from 1981? Yes, a single was released in 1981, but the song is from 1980.
More on this later.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 16, 2019 9:15:20 GMT -5
A note: the formatting on my post looks terrible. I'll leave it, but that's not the way it looked when I hit the reply button. Is this a quirk with our forum?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 9:27:27 GMT -5
Missed voting yesterday, and not up early enough to catch-up. Five of those would have been my picks, tho. "Arthur's Song" would have edged out "Stand and Deliver". Adam and the Ants? You young folks remember them? Really? They were popular, but it was brief. More telling - most of them are songs I don't own or listen to anymore. Exceptions: I still have my old 45rpm of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic", but the Police have faded from my playlists in general. "Tainted Love" was huge in it's day, so not surprised it topped this list. Soft Cell were (again) only around a brief time, almost a one hit wonder. "Just Can't Get Enough" - Depeche Mode had much better songs. I remember them favorably. Good on record, and live. "Shake It Up" - for me, this was the end of the road. Loved the first two records. These days... I don't even own a Cars Greatest Hits Cd, and no vinyl. Well, I do own the one where Todd and Kasim joined in to act the part of the departed. I used the modern lingo catch-word "playlist" a minute ago, but I don't listen to music on those streaming services other than youtube. I don't have youtube playlists, either. If I don't like it enough to buy it on Cd or vinyl, I don't have it. The Beach Boys are the only exception to that rule, but those are bought files. And I hold out hope that one day all of that will be on Cd or vinyl box sets. Speaking of dreamers, back to my comments on 1981 tracks, this one from a dead man. "Woman" - Lennon was great until the end. He is the greatest artist on this list. No question. I still miss his presence. Yeah, yeah, yeah - I own near everything the man ever did. Vinyl and Cd (including box sets, outtakes, and different album mixes sets).I even have the 45rpm 12" singles from the time. Will/P.P. , I’m happy to add your votes in and update the results. You said you’d have voted for 5, but you talk about 6 in your post: Arthur’s Song Every Little Thing Tainted Love Just Can’t Get Enough Shake It Up Woman - This song was among the nominations that came in, and it met the parameters for inclusion - recorded or released on an album or as a single in 1981. So that’s why it’s here
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 9:41:28 GMT -5
A note: the formatting on my post looks terrible. I'll leave it, but that's not the way it looked when I hit the reply button. Is this a quirk with our forum? I find that if I write something in word and then copy it over, the formatting goes awry when I hit post. But you can see what it will look like if you go into the "BBCode" tab in the post editor, and fix your formatting that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 17:03:38 GMT -5
Rainbow - One of the most underrated rock groups in history Phil Collins Journey Styx The Who The Stones Spotlight Kid is a freakin’ amazing, song. That’s a new one for me, I love it!
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Post by iancockburn on Jan 17, 2019 2:54:25 GMT -5
Finally, the good '81 stuff! Prince, Shelley, Stones (an '81 song only on a technicality), Hall and Oates.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 6:47:37 GMT -5
Here are the results of heat 10 - the top 6 songs are moving on to round 2: 1. In the Air Tonight - Phil Collins (9 votes) 2. Kiss On My List - Hall and Oates (8 votes) 3. Don't Stop Believin' - Journey (6 votes) 4. You Better You Bet - The Who (6 votes) 5. Girls on Film - Duran Duran (5 votes) 6. Waiting on a Friend - The Rolling Stones (5 votes)7. The Best of Times - Styx (2 votes) 8. Controversy - Prince (2 votes) 9. Homosapien - Pete Shelley (2 votes) 10. Spotlight Kid - Rainbow (2 votes) Before we start round 2, we need to fill in the last 4 spots of the top 64. The wildcard pool has become pretty unwieldy, with 18 runners up, all tied for either 3 or 4 votes. Rather than ask you guys to pick 4 out of 18 songs (I didn’t think that would pan out too well) I decided to cut the list down to 10. Nominees were prioritized for the most part. Pick 4 songs that you think should stay in the game. 4 of these are staying regardless, so even if they’re not your diehard favourite must-have songs, please vote, if you can! I’d rather you guys pick them instead of me coming up with some weird system to decide Here’s a playlist in case anyone’s memory needs refreshing. 1981: Wildcard Heat
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Post by kds on Jan 17, 2019 8:13:20 GMT -5
Rainbow - One of the most underrated rock groups in history Phil Collins Journey Styx The Who The Stones Spotlight Kid is a freakin’ amazing, song. That’s a new one for me, I love it! That became Rainbow's opener for a few years. And Joe Lynn Turner is a very underrated singer. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Post by kds on Jan 17, 2019 8:20:16 GMT -5
The Who
John Lennon
Van Halen
Motley Crue
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 17, 2019 9:41:59 GMT -5
Missed voting yesterday, and not up early enough to catch-up. Five of those would have been my picks, tho. "Arthur's Song" would have edged out "Stand and Deliver". Adam and the Ants? You young folks remember them? Really? They were popular, but it was brief. More telling - most of them are songs I don't own or listen to anymore. Exceptions: I still have my old 45rpm of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic", but the Police have faded from my playlists in general. "Tainted Love" was huge in it's day, so not surprised it topped this list. Soft Cell were (again) only around a brief time, almost a one hit wonder. "Just Can't Get Enough" - Depeche Mode had much better songs. I remember them favorably. Good on record, and live. "Shake It Up" - for me, this was the end of the road. Loved the first two records. These days... I don't even own a Cars Greatest Hits Cd, and no vinyl. Well, I do own the one where Todd and Kasim joined in to act the part of the departed. I used the modern lingo catch-word "playlist" a minute ago, but I don't listen to music on those streaming services other than youtube. I don't have youtube playlists, either. If I don't like it enough to buy it on Cd or vinyl, I don't have it. The Beach Boys are the only exception to that rule, but those are bought files. And I hold out hope that one day all of that will be on Cd or vinyl box sets. Speaking of dreamers, back to my comments on 1981 tracks, this one from a dead man. "Woman" - Lennon was great until the end. He is the greatest artist on this list. No question. I still miss his presence. Yeah, yeah, yeah - I own near everything the man ever did. Vinyl and Cd (including box sets, outtakes, and different album mixes sets).I even have the 45rpm 12" singles from the time. Will/P.P. , I’m happy to add your votes in and update the results. You said you’d have voted for 5, but you talk about 6 in your post: Arthur’s Song Every Little Thing Tainted Love Just Can’t Get Enough Shake It Up Woman - This song was among the nominations that came in, and it met the parameters for inclusion - recorded or released on an album or as a single in 1981. So that’s why it’s here I meant 5 of the 6 that made the move-on list. Replacing "Stand and Deliver" with "Arthur's Song". The 6 you're listing there, are the 6 I would have picked.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 17, 2019 10:32:09 GMT -5
Finally, the good '81 stuff! Prince, Shelley, Stones (an '81 song only on a technicality), Hall and Oates. Unlike the other polls we have done, these technicalities are causing me to wonder, "What's up with that?"
"Woman" is in because it was a 1981 single. The Pretenders "Talk of the Town" was left off. Technically a UK single released in 1980 that was not released until March of 1981 in America on the US only Extended Play, and in August on Pretenders II. That still leaves "Message of Love" - a UK single from February 1981. The Pretenders, along with U2 were the two biggest acts being imported into America in 1980/1981. Cutting edge groups that deserve attention. Certainly more than acts like Adam and the Ants, and a Depeche Mode that imploded as they were releasing their first album.
It seems to be working both ways. "Stray Cat Strut" is in our poll. Although they were an American group, they were very much following Chrissie Hynde's lead by going to London to gain world-wide traction. The Stray Cats first US album, Built for Speed, was ahem, "built" using their first two UK albums, and not released in America until 1982. "Rock This Town" was released 6 February 1981 in the UK, but not until August 1982 in America. That is a BIG gap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 11:32:19 GMT -5
Finally, the good '81 stuff! Prince, Shelley, Stones (an '81 song only on a technicality), Hall and Oates. Unlike the other polls we have done, these technicalities are causing me to wonder, "What's up with that?"
"Woman" is in because it was a 1981 single. The Pretenders "Talk of the Town" was left off. Technically a UK single released in 1980 that was not released until March of 1981 in America on the US only Extended Play, and in August on Pretenders II. That still leaves "Message of Love" - a UK single from February 1981. The Pretenders, along with U2 were the two biggest acts being imported into America in 1980/1981. Cutting edge groups that deserve attention. Certainly more than acts like Adam and the Ants, and a Depeche Mode that imploded as they were releasing their first album.
It seems to be working both ways. "Stray Cat Strut" is in our poll. Although they were an American group, they were very much following Chrissie Hynde's lead by going to London to gain world-wide traction. The Stray Cats first US album, Built for Speed, was ahem, "built" using their first two UK albums, and not released in America until 1982. "Rock This Town" was released 6 February 1981 in the UK, but not until August 1982 in America. That is a BIG gap.
Mainly it’s because I didn’t spend a bunch of time plotting meticulously detailed tables that document every song that could potentially end up in the game. There is a ton of grey area and too much variability when it comes to release date/location, chart run, etc. Apart from taking nominations this time, I didn’t do anything different for this game. I used the same 2 sources I always use. The songs that end up in this game are never going to reflect everyone’s personal experience or preferences, so I just try to make sure there’s something in it for everyone. I apologize if it’s not historically or technically correct, or not consistent with a given location in the world. I’ve been taking a pretty loose approach to these games from the get-go. The way I see it, as long as we are starting with 100 great (YMMV) songs that are fairly widely known, then the cream should rise to the top. Nominations will remain a feature of the game from now on. For future games, if there’s something you want to make sure is included, feel free to let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:27:55 GMT -5
Oh goodness. I only know the Rick James song and much prefer what MC Hammer did with it. So I'll sit this one out.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 17, 2019 13:23:04 GMT -5
Unlike the other polls we have done, these technicalities are causing me to wonder, "What's up with that?"
"Woman" is in because it was a 1981 single. The Pretenders "Talk of the Town" was left off. Technically a UK single released in 1980 that was not released until March of 1981 in America on the US only Extended Play, and in August on Pretenders II. That still leaves "Message of Love" - a UK single from February 1981. The Pretenders, along with U2 were the two biggest acts being imported into America in 1980/1981. Cutting edge groups that deserve attention. Certainly more than acts like Adam and the Ants, and a Depeche Mode that imploded as they were releasing their first album.
It seems to be working both ways. "Stray Cat Strut" is in our poll. Although they were an American group, they were very much following Chrissie Hynde's lead by going to London to gain world-wide traction. The Stray Cats first US album, Built for Speed, was ahem, "built" using their first two UK albums, and not released in America until 1982. "Rock This Town" was released 6 February 1981 in the UK, but not until August 1982 in America. That is a BIG gap.
Mainly it’s because I didn’t spend a bunch of time plotting meticulously detailed tables that document every song that could potentially end up in the game. There is a ton of grey area and too much variability when it comes to release date/location, chart run, etc. Apart from taking nominations this time, I didn’t do anything different for this game. I used the same 2 sources I always use. The songs that end up in this game are never going to reflect everyone’s personal experience or preferences, so I just try to make sure there’s something in it for everyone. I apologize if it’s not historically or technically correct, or not consistent with a given location in the world. I’ve been taking a pretty loose approach to these games from the get-go. The way I see it, as long as we are starting with 100 great (YMMV) songs that are fairly widely known, then the cream should rise to the top. Nominations will remain a feature of the game from now on. For future games, if there’s something you want to make sure is included, feel free to let me know. I believe when we do the 1960s or 1970s it's more spelled out plain. Singles were written, recorded, pressed and released as soon as possible. Not so with acts like Hall and Oates who were still releasing album cuts from 1980 (two here from Voices - one recorded in 1979, "Kiss On My List"). I'm not getting on your case if it seems that way. You're looking at lists of 1981 singles. At the same time, seeing two Neil Diamond songs, Air Supply, anything from that crap Marty Balin album, and acts I don't even remember like Kim Wilde and April Wine... You sure seem to be getting notes from kds, as there is so much "classic" rock that I don't think is so classic. The world did not revolve around Heavy Metal in 1981, that was the seventies. A lot of it cultish even then. That was what Punk DIY mentality was trying to destroy in the late seventies. That led to folks like McCartney trying to keep up with stuff Like "I've Had Enough". The Stones did so many sessions looking for a way to sound contemporary to Punk (which they did with Some Girls), that something like two of my favorites, "Hang Fire" and "Little T&A" were just left-overs. There are more interesting "spare parts" on the Deluxe Some Girls (2011) - a whole extra disc of them.
In 1981 we were still in the middle of Punk/Post Punk (like the Clash) and beginning the New Wave of artists that were leaving Punk behind, going for something more melodic (like xtc, Elvis Costello, Pretenders). You had acts like the Kinks who were trying to fit in with fantastic material like "Around the Dial" and "Better Things" - they did just the opposite of what the Stray Cats and Pretenders did, they came to America to reestablish themselves as stars after being all but forgotten in England. And that worked for them. You had cult artists like Todd Rundgren who put out one of his best albums in 1981, Healing. That one gave me "Tiny Demons" and "Compassion". You could tell he was being influenced by Bowie's Berlin trilogy, Eno, and producer/engineers like Conny Plank. If you don't know who Conny Plank was, look him up. One of the other acts Conny was working with, but pretty much unknown in 1981, was The Tourists, who then became Eurythmics. Their debut album, In the Garden, came out in 1981. No big hits, but soon there was "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)".
And let me add: A week ago you did ask me to make a list. I am such a completest, I've been working (slowly) on doing that. Too late for this poll, but I will write up an over-view of 1981 the way I lived it. I was in San Francisco, so all the cutting edge music was in the shops as imports before it became mainstream. Make no mistake, the UK was setting the trends in the big cities. It was sorta like the sixties British Invasion. Acts like the Ramones took Punk to London, and then like The Beatles did with late fifties/early sixties Rock and Soul, it was fed back to us.
In the end, you picked a pivotal year. So many changes going on, while for those who wanted to stay with what they had always loved could do that, as well. C,S,N was still around. Neil Young had his fans. I thought John Martyn was doing just fine. Steve Miller Band hit a bump in the road with his first album in years, but righted the ship the next year with the #1 "Abracadabra". Little Feat fans got a treat in July when a double-album comp was released, Hoy-Hoy!, containing rare, live, and unreleased cuts. Art Garfunkel released Scissors Cut, with great tracks like "In Cars" and "A Heart In New York". And, of course, got back together with Simon for the Concert in Central Park in September. For some reason, Phil Collins made the list, while the much better album Abacab seems forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 14:03:41 GMT -5
I believe when we do the 1960s or 1970s it's more spelled out plain. Singles were written, recorded, pressed and released as soon as possible. Not so with acts like Hall and Oates who were still releasing album cuts from 1980 (two here from Voices - one recorded in 1979, "Kiss On My List"). I'm not getting on your case if it seems that way. You're looking at lists of 1981 singles. At the same time, seeing two Neil Diamond songs, Air Supply, anything from that crap Marty Balin album, and acts I don't even remember like Kim Wilde and April Wine... You sure seem to be getting notes from kds, as there is so much "classic" rock that I don't think is so classic. The world did not revolve around Heavy Metal in 1981, that was the seventies. A lot of it cultish even then. That was what Punk DIY mentality was trying to destroy in the late seventies. That led to folks like McCartney trying to keep up with stuff Like "I've Had Enough". The Stones did so many sessions looking for a way to sound contemporary to Punk (which they did with Some Girls), that something like two of my favorites, "Hang Fire" and "Little T&A" were just left-overs. There are more interesting "spare parts" on the Deluxe Some Girls (2011) - a whole extra disc of them.
In 1981 we were still in the middle of Punk/Post Punk (like the Clash) and beginning the New Wave of artists that were leaving Punk behind, going for something more melodic (like xtc, Elvis Costello, Pretenders). You had acts like the Kinks who were trying to fit in with fantastic material like "Around the Dial" and "Better Things" - they did just the opposite of what the Stray Cats and Pretenders did, they came to America to reestablish themselves as stars after being all but forgotten in England. And that worked for them. You had cult artists like Todd Rundgren who put out one of his best albums in 1981, Healing. That one gave me "Tiny Demons" and "Compassion". You could tell he was being influenced by Bowie's Berlin trilogy, Eno, and producer/engineers like Conny Plank. If you don't know who Conny Plank was, look him up. One of the other acts Conny was working with, but pretty much unknown in 1981, was The Tourists, who then became Eurythmics. Their debut album, In the Garden, came out in 1981. No big hits, but soon there was "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)".
And let me add: A week ago you did ask me to make a list. I am such a completest, I've been working (slowly) on doing that. Too late for this poll, but I will write up an over-view of 1981 the way I lived it. I was in San Francisco, so all the cutting edge music was in the shops as imports before it became mainstream. Make no mistake, the UK was setting the trends in the big cities. It was sorta like the sixties British Invasion. Acts like the Ramones took Punk to London, and then like The Beatles did with late fifties/early sixties Rock and Soul, it was fed back to us.
In the end, you picked a pivotal year. So many changes going on, while for those who wanted to stay with what they had always loved could do that, as well. C,S,N was still around. Neil Young had his fans. I thought John Martyn was doing just fine. Steve Miller Band hit a bump in the road with his first album in years, but righted the ship the next year with the #1 "Abracadabra". Little Feat fans got a treat in July when a double-album comp was released, Hoy-Hoy!, containing rare, live, and unreleased cuts. Art Garfunkel released Scissors Cut, with great tracks like "In Cars" and "A Heart In New York". And, of course, got back together with Simon for the Concert in Central Park in September. For some reason, Phil Collins made the list, while the much better album Abacab seems forgotten.
Thanks for this I’m looking forward to reading your 1981 overview! For my part, I’m always just looking for ways to improve the game and make sure it’s enjoyable for everyone. That’s why I brought in the nominations element. But I see now that does have the potential to shift the balance where genre is concerned. I just liked the idea of “giving the people what they want”. I didn’t set a maximum limit for nominations because I didn’t know what might come in. But maybe going forward I will do that.
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