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Post by mikedonn on Jul 9, 2022 6:52:12 GMT -5
I've not seen a lot of discussion about the packaging of this set. Apologies, if I've missed it.
I buy everything that gets released, but not this time.
£150 for 6 double vinyl lps is too much. The package looks great though and I love the 2 new covers. Not even a vinyl slip mat or all the lythos included at that price. The Feel Flows coloured vinyl cost me half the price but has more than half the vinyl, and it's coloured too! Iconic are supposed to be there to market this stuff. If a completist like me is not buying it, I don't see many 23 years olds buying it. How many here have it?
It would have been great to have the 3 CD box (which I purchased) come in mini LP format CDs, in a small box or slip box, like the LPs, to get those covers on the CDs. The current packaging is nice (front cover excepted!) but it would have been a nice touch, especially considering the number of vinyl variations.
It doesn't augur well for the new Holland/CATP set price wise.
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Post by E on Jul 9, 2022 7:38:42 GMT -5
The CD packaging would have been mucho improved had two of the CDs not been glued in - the problem with trying to cram 3 CDs and a booklet into what was in effect a slimline package. Can't blame Howie or Mark for that one...
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Post by John Manning on Jul 9, 2022 8:24:56 GMT -5
Thing that surprised me most about the 3CD package was the absence of the band’s name or the title of the set on the front, other than on the sticker on the film wrapping. Odd.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jul 9, 2022 10:11:27 GMT -5
They’re still making and manufacturing the old releases but they sure haven’t done any new ones since the whole Surf’s Up “is it Quad or” thing. Which sucks because they only did a handful of their albums. Unless I’m wrong and there’s deeper connection I’m missing in case my bad. Yes, it’s a shame they didn’t do more. I’d love to hear Friends mastered by Kevin. Got almost all of the LPs but somehow I can’t pull the trigger on Party! to complete the set… it’s not exactly the same, but HD tracks released remastered digital versions of all of the albums in 2015 that sound absolutely fantastic
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Post by mikedonn on Jul 9, 2022 21:50:37 GMT -5
Thing that surprised me most about the 3CD package was the absence of the band’s name or the title of the set on the front, other than on the sticker on the film wrapping. Odd. The Beach Boys 'Orange' album, Spinal Tap style! Yes, it was very strange and a bit pointless.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jul 10, 2022 9:31:02 GMT -5
I'm no expert but it seems to me, despite individual concerns/tastes, the Brother team has hit a homerun.
Congratulations.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jul 17, 2022 5:24:55 GMT -5
Here is another interview and review with Howie Edelson, and he has some good points of view and neat things to say about the group. While I don't agree with his previous comments in the past, here he makes some good common sense and
discusses the group in greater detail which I think a lot of us can relate to. I'm glad he went after trying to get 'Almost Summer' and a live version of 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on the set.
It's fair to show this side of him and grant him that respect.
If you have a spare hour, give it a go...
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Post by robin on Jul 17, 2022 8:02:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Rick. Lots of interesting comments, very freewheeling discussion. So much continuing talk about "Marcella," the remix, the original cut, the live version--it might be bordering on overkill, I think. I do know that my Dad always felt that the digital remixes on CATP for it and "Mess of Help" were the real culprits in terms of people having problems with the songs. And he pretty much proved that to me one time when we took original vinyl to a friends' house where he had high-end analog speakers setup where we were really able to crank the tunes--and those original mixes really did crunch. I can understand how folks got into the live version of "Marcella" because of the revised guitar riff(s), but to me the vocals in the tag are kind of a letdown on that. Much of this ongoing angst about it may stem from the fact that the track really seems as though it should have been that monster comeback hit on the heels of "Surf's Up," but wasn't.
Howie points out how much "extra" stuff is found in the original tapes, particularly for the songs from that time frame, so it seems as though it's kind of rat's nest situation for those returning to them now, which may better explain the approaches taken with the alternates. It sounds like we might hear some more from that, based on what he says about there being some "Brian instrumentals" as part of the upcoming CATP/Holland set. It's a sprawling and sometimes rambling conversation, but definitely worth a listen!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 17, 2022 9:02:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Rick. Lots of interesting comments, very freewheeling discussion. So much continuing talk about "Marcella," the remix, the original cut, the live version--it might be bordering on overkill, I think. I do know that my Dad always felt that the digital remixes on CATP for it and "Mess of Help" were the real culprits in terms of people having problems with the songs. And he pretty much proved that to me one time when we took original vinyl to a friends' house where he had high-end analog speakers setup where we were really able to crank the tunes--and those original mixes really did crunch. I can understand how folks got into the live version of "Marcella" because of the revised guitar riff(s), but to me the vocals in the tag are kind of a letdown on that. Much of this ongoing angst about it may stem from the fact that the track really seems as though it should have been that monster comeback hit on the heels of "Surf's Up," but wasn't. Howie points out how much "extra" stuff is found in the original tapes, particularly for the songs from that time frame, so it seems as though it's kind of rat's nest situation for those returning to them now, which may better explain the approaches taken with the alternates. It sounds like we might hear some more from that, based on what he says about there being some "Brian instrumentals" as part of the upcoming CATP/Holland set. It's a sprawling and sometimes rambling conversation, but definitely worth a listen! Robin, after I Can Hear Music, the band couldn’t buy a hit record. Marcella’s mix was not the issue. Sailor On Sailor had to be released twice just to make it into the 50’s on the Top 100. The single of California received a lot of airplay on FM where I lived, but I never heard it on the AM dial. In the 70s the songs that I remember on AM radio were Rock and Roll Music & Good Timin’. Good Timin’ only made it to the last position on the Top 40.
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Post by bryand on Jul 17, 2022 16:52:13 GMT -5
Here is another interview and review with Howie Edelson, and he has some good points of view and neat things to say about the group. While I don't agree with his previous comments in the past, here he makes some good common sense and
discusses the group in greater detail which I think a lot of us can relate to. I'm glad he went after trying to get 'Almost Summer' and a live version of 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on the set.
It's fair to show this side of him and grant him that respect.
If you have a spare hour, give it a go... This was a really great interview. I enjoyed the energy of the group (they had a discussion about Feel Flows last year that was phenomenal).
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Post by malibu on Jul 17, 2022 20:55:51 GMT -5
The 1970's also brought Come Go With Me.
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Post by dauber on Jul 18, 2022 9:43:31 GMT -5
True, but "Come Go With Me" wasn't released as a single until 1981, to tie in with Ten Years of Harmony.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jul 19, 2022 4:58:30 GMT -5
Here is another interview and review with Howie Edelson, and he has some good points of view and neat things to say about the group. While I don't agree with his previous comments in the past, here he makes some good common sense and
discusses the group in greater detail which I think a lot of us can relate to. I'm glad he went after trying to get 'Almost Summer' and a live version of 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on the set.
It's fair to show this side of him and grant him that respect.
If you have a spare hour, give it a go...
Thanks for the heads up, Rick. Just finished listening. Here are a few thoughts: — Toblerone (the regular kind) — Eight hours is mostly enough for me. — Personally, wearing shorts six months a year is not a problem. I wear them from April to October. — Agreed! As Brian once said, ”Music is God’s voice” And, finally: — Wow! Great concert!
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 19, 2022 6:02:02 GMT -5
it’s not exactly the same, but HD tracks released remastered digital versions of all of the albums in 2015 that sound absolutely fantastic Say it again for the people in the back-- these HDtracks digital version are the way to go. I was particularly impressed with what they were able to accomplish with Love You, L.A. and KTSA.
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 19, 2022 6:31:38 GMT -5
Here is another interview and review with Howie Edelson, and he has some good points of view and neat things to say about the group. While I don't agree with his previous comments in the past, here he makes some good common sense and
discusses the group in greater detail which I think a lot of us can relate to. I'm glad he went after trying to get 'Almost Summer' and a live version of 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on the set.
It's fair to show this side of him and grant him that respect.
If you have a spare hour, give it a go... That's a good synopsis, thanks Rick. I, too, thought Howie did a nice job of demonstrating his bonafides during the first half of the interview, so I was disappointed that he still felt the need to get a few potshots in towards the end. Granted, he's got every right to feel the way he feels, and I'm not knocking that at all. To me, it's more that-- based off of what I've heard him say-- he still doesn't seem to grasp that most of the outcry wasn't over the sound of the Greatest Hits remixes per se, but more a general sense of unease as to whether the upcoming So Tough/Holland set is going to be similarly affected by this abrupt change in direction. The attitude of "if you don't like it, listen to the old mixes" is fine for stuff that's already out there, but when it starts to impact previously unreleased material, then I think raising a civil objection to that doesn't make one a weirdo or a shut-in, or whatever pejorative names he's referred to his detractors as. This is the primary point I would try to stress if that Zoom meeting ever happens. That said, I'm predisposed to like the guy. His Beatles podcast I thought was exceptional, and I'm kind of sad he had to give it up, because I was learning a lot just by listening. Likewise, after some of the horror stories Petsite and others have shared with us about the complete indifference of Capitol execs towards the band's catalog back in the early 80s, I think it's reassuring to have the diehards in control of things for now. That could change at some point-- you never know. Look at what happened to Andrew Sandoval over at Rhino.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jul 19, 2022 6:53:27 GMT -5
Here is another interview and review with Howie Edelson, and he has some good points of view and neat things to say about the group. While I don't agree with his previous comments in the past, here he makes some good common sense and
discusses the group in greater detail which I think a lot of us can relate to. I'm glad he went after trying to get 'Almost Summer' and a live version of 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on the set.
It's fair to show this side of him and grant him that respect.
If you have a spare hour, give it a go... The attitude of "if you don't like it, listen to the old mixes" is fine for stuff that's already out there, but when it starts to impact previously unreleased material, then I think raising a civil objection to that doesn't make one a weirdo or a shut-in, or whatever pejorative names he's referred to his detractors as. This is the primary point I would try to stress if that Zoom meeting ever happens. I would say this has already happened. We still don't have a version of You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' that sounds even remotely as good as the bootlegged version (I've no idea what they were trying to do with it on MIC, but it really didn't work), and some of the previously unreleased material on Feel Flows is negatively impacted by the poor mastering of the set.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jul 19, 2022 8:31:32 GMT -5
it’s not exactly the same, but HD tracks released remastered digital versions of all of the albums in 2015 that sound absolutely fantastic Say it again for the people in the back-- these HDtracks digital version are the way to go. I was particularly impressed with what they were able to accomplish with Love You, L.A. and KTSA. Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jul 19, 2022 9:26:23 GMT -5
Say it again for the people in the back-- these HDtracks digital version are the way to go. I was particularly impressed with what they were able to accomplish with Love You, L.A. and KTSA. Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters They are also available in hi-res lossless on Apple Music in case you’d like to sample them before buying.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jul 19, 2022 12:45:32 GMT -5
Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters They are also available in hi-res lossless on Apple Music in case you’d like to sample them before buying. Thank you! I’ll explore that 👍
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 19, 2022 16:25:28 GMT -5
Say it again for the people in the back-- these HDtracks digital version are the way to go. I was particularly impressed with what they were able to accomplish with Love You, L.A. and KTSA. Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters Hmm, that's quite odd. Here's a direct link to their KTSA at the U.S. site. I'd imagine you'd be able to purchase it through there (as well as any of the others). www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5df32f4a9c9028d5e6b973be
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Post by Al S on Jul 19, 2022 16:55:20 GMT -5
Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters Hmm, that's quite odd. Here's a direct link to their KTSA at the U.S. site. I'd imagine you'd be able to purchase it through there (as well as any of the others). www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5df32f4a9c9028d5e6b973beHey, Ken - do a google or check with Mozilla support forum - it could be an ad blocker thing or other add-in causing the problem, and there may be a known fix - A
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Post by KenWorthing on Jul 20, 2022 4:09:59 GMT -5
Hey, Ken - do a google or check with Mozilla support forum - it could be an ad blocker thing or other add-in causing the problem, and there may be a known fix - A Good thinking, Alan! Thank you.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jul 20, 2022 4:13:57 GMT -5
Jason, can you provide a link? I just put in hdtracks.co.uk and got a huge browser warning from Mozilla basically saying .. don't go there. I've got a feeling that songs provided by HD tracks aren't available to purchase in the U.K. I am .. as always .. quite happy to admit I'm mistaken .. and I'll be straight in the queue to purchase those 2015 remasters Hmm, that's quite odd. Here's a direct link to their KTSA at the U.S. site. I'd imagine you'd be able to purchase it through there (as well as any of the others). www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5df32f4a9c9028d5e6b973beThat's great, Jason! Thank you. I've bookmarked the link. When I get back home, I'll check what I have .. just to make sure there's no 2015 duplication in my library.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jul 22, 2022 11:51:52 GMT -5
On the subject of remixes: Pink Floyd just released the re-mixed Dogs track from Animals and it’s kind of a similar situation as these BB’s remixes. Little errant musical parts and details that were pulled back on or buried previously have now been brought to the fore and you can see why they were originally mixed the way they were. People always complained about a lack of hi-hats/cymbals on the original mix and you can now see why. They take up a bit too much space when pushed up and it affects the timing. It’s not the way they were played, but just the sound. Maybe some artificial techniques were applied to make them stand out. Who knows. Sounds cool all around, but basically unnecessary.
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Post by Awesoman on Aug 17, 2022 7:31:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth last week for my birthday I got the expanded vinyl set of this compilation. I haven't listened to the entire thing yet but so far it sounds fine. If you weren't enamored with the new mixes in digital format you probably won't like them here either. However the set does benefit from a warmer sound overall and ultimately sounds pretty good in all its analog glory. The packaging is quite beautiful too and well done. It is a fairly pricey compilation so you may want to pass unless you're a vinyl aficionado like me.
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