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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 9:19:21 GMT -5
*Edit- Tony Asher is the winner!!
Following AGD’s post about Jack Rieley and the subsequent thread, I’ve been reflecting about various beach boys collaborators and how they influenced the boys’ music.
So I thought it could be interesting to try a survivor poll in which we vote off our least favorite collaborator each round to determine who had the most favorable impact on The Beach Boys.
I aim to define a “significant collaborator” as someone who contributed directly to more than one track via songwriting, lyrics, production, arranging. Simply singing or playing an instrument won’t be enough (I.e., no wrecking crew members). Also the person should never have been a ‘member’ of the group (I.e., no Blondie/Ricky). After some initial discussion we'll exclude engineers for now.
WINNER: Tony Asher
Eliminated collaborators:
Round 1: Eugene Landy
Round 2: Randy Bachman, Gary Winfrey, and Steve Levine
Round 3: Joe Thomas
Round 4: Dick Reynolds
Round 5: Murry Wilson, Myrna Smith-Schilling, John Phillips
Round 6: Ron Altbach, Terry Melcher, Andy Paley
Round 7: Geoffrey Cushing-Murray and Tandyn Almer
Round 8: Daryl Dragon
Round 9: Stephen Kalinich
Round 10: Gregg Jakobson
Round 11: Roger Christian
Round 12: Jack Rieley
Round 13: Gary Usher
Round 14: Van Dyke Parks
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Post by AGD on Sept 20, 2020 9:55:43 GMT -5
Manson not exactly a willing collaborator...
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Post by Fall Breaks on Sept 20, 2020 10:23:41 GMT -5
Geoffrey Cushing-Murray
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 12:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by AGD on Sept 20, 2020 12:04:54 GMT -5
Iffn you're going to include Steve Desper, you need to include Chuck Britz too.
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Post by Fall Breaks on Sept 20, 2020 12:13:17 GMT -5
Robert White Johnson
Bob Norberg
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:17:35 GMT -5
Iffn you're going to include Steve Desper, you need to include Chuck Britz too. Yes excellent call a glaring omission. I was wondering about other engineers too, I am biased with my knowledge of Desper’s contributions due to his phenomenal post-career commentary |
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Post by jasonaustin on Sept 20, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -5
Iffn you're going to include Steve Desper, you need to include Chuck Britz too. Yes excellent call a glaring omission. I was wondering about other engineers too, I am biased with my knowledge of Desper’s contributions due to his phenomenal post-career commentary John Hanlon, Earle Mankey, Stephen Moffitt and Tom Murphy are all worthy of inclusion, though it's hard to say exactly who recorded what during the seventies (for me at least-- CMan would surely know). Maybe J.W. Guercio deserves a mention as he had a hand in some of the production aspects? |
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Post by AGD on Sept 21, 2020 4:11:17 GMT -5
Howsabout we limit this to musical/lyrical collaborators ?
BTW, you missed Jeff Lynne: he wrote all of "Let It Shine" bar the opening/closing vocal round.
Also, you've committed one of the cardinal BB sins, and one that, if I had my way, would be punishable by eternal exile to the outer limits of BB fandom forever (you know what I mean...): Brian's father was not called Murray.
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 21, 2020 4:37:00 GMT -5
Myrna Smith-Schilling - mainly Carl’s solo career, but she gets a coupla creds on ‘85 as well.
I agree with AGD about limiting it to musical/lyrical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 5:08:30 GMT -5
Music/lyrics sounds like a good idea.
Apologies for my unforgivable sins.
Jeff Lynne contributed to BW88 but I was limiting it to ‘beach boys’ collaborators. Unless I am mistaken and he contributed to other works.
Also was including folks who contributed to at least two songs, in an attempt to shorten the list
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Post by AGD on Sept 21, 2020 5:39:17 GMT -5
Music/lyrics sounds like a good idea. Apologies for my unforgivable sins. Jeff Lynne contributed to BW88 but I was limiting it to ‘beach boys’ collaborators. Unless I am mistaken and he contributed to other works.
Also was including folks who contributed to at least two songs, in an attempt to shorten the list You are not. My bad. Two songs good. |
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Post by Fall Breaks on Sept 21, 2020 7:09:09 GMT -5
Robert White Johnson Bob Norberg Also Gary Winfrey, right? Both Feet and Lookin' at Tomorrow iirc. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 7:20:23 GMT -5
Updated list is posted, I will add the poll for first round shortly. Thanks to all who contributed.
For the first round I vote for Eugene Landy, a man who has no business being on this list in the first place. A talentless and unethical hack.
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Post by jay on Sept 22, 2020 6:59:30 GMT -5
Did Garby Leon assist in the writing of any of the songs Brian and Dennis worked on in 1982?
Edit: Also despite the events surrounding him, Scott Bennet(sp?) should probably be included.
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Post by kds on Sept 22, 2020 7:06:22 GMT -5
I'll go with Landy as well, since many of the songs on which he assisted Brian sound like they were done by somebody who'd never been in a recording studio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 8:41:32 GMT -5
Did Garby Leon assist in the writing of any of the songs Brian and Dennis worked on in 1982? Edit: Also despite the events surrounding him, Scott Bennet(sp?) should probably be included. I am by no means anything close to an expert on the subject, but from what I have read Garby’s home was used for recording. That said I do not know of any specific songwriting contributions to specific songs...and I would also question whether these sessions are truly ‘Beach boys’ music or a spinoff of 2 brothers enjoying each other’s company and making music (and doing drugs). So i don’t really know how I would rate him in this poll. Regarding Mr Bennett, similarly I do not know of 2 original beach boys songs he had direct music/lyric contributions meeting the poll criteria. But if you can provide such info I will add him. Anyone is welcome to submit write in votes as well. |
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Post by Matt H on Sept 22, 2020 13:54:11 GMT -5
I am voting off Landy. Glad he saved Brian's life, but wish he was gone by 86.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 5:01:36 GMT -5
And with an overwhelming 9 of 12 votes, Landy is rightfully sent packing.
Surprised to see a vote for VDP this early...has Mike decided to participate?
Round 2 poll will be up shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:24:24 GMT -5
Round 2 is a go
My vote is for Gary Winfrey. I don't particularly love either of the two songs he contributed to (Takea load off your feet and lookin at tomorrow)
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Post by Matt H on Sept 23, 2020 9:39:44 GMT -5
I am voting for Steve Levine. I think he only co-wrote Maybe I Don't Know, and while I like that song, he is one of 4 people credited on it, so he receives my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:46:43 GMT -5
I am voting for Steve Levine. I think he only co-wrote Maybe I Don't Know, and while I like that song, he is one of 4 people credited on it, so he receives my vote. I think his role producing BB85 is worthy of more attention than specific contributions to maybe i dont know. |
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Post by Matt H on Sept 23, 2020 9:52:46 GMT -5
I am voting for Steve Levine. I think he only co-wrote Maybe I Don't Know, and while I like that song, he is one of 4 people credited on it, so he receives my vote. I think his role producing BB85 is worthy of more attention than specific contributions to maybe i dont know. That makes sense. I am still giving him my vote, I get trying to get The Beach Boys to sound contemporary, but I think this record would have sounded much better with real drums on all the tracks. |
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Post by kds on Sept 23, 2020 10:08:25 GMT -5
I'm going to take care of business and vote off Randy Bachman. His contributions to the weak KTSA weren't exactly very noteworthy.
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Post by Emdeeh on Sept 23, 2020 16:05:37 GMT -5
I like this idea for a poll. I'm voting off Dick Reynolds, and will probably keep doing so until y'all catch up with me.
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