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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 20, 2019 18:23:46 GMT -5
I can relate to great extent: two years ago this spring my family lost my oldest brother--who was in his mid-40s--to a stroke, followed by two quick brain surgeries and a week in a medically induced coma before we removed him from life support and he died. So I've thought quite a bit about it.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 20, 2019 18:29:47 GMT -5
So sorry to hear that Luther. 40 years old is mighty young to die and to have a stroke.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 20, 2019 18:40:10 GMT -5
Thanks, but it's OK. He actually outlived predictions by 40+ years. Born in the 70s with a faulty heart valve, he was one of the first American kids to have an artificial one put in. He nearly died quite a few times before I was born, and again at least twice that I recall (an unrelated teenage motorcycle accident and then just a couple years before he died, when he had to have a replacement valve put in). The stroke was almost certainly related to a lifetime of blood thinning medications and assorted other meddling around in there. Then once he had it, it was a Catch-22: there was both clotting and bleeding, so trying to fix one would wreck the other. There was no hope by the end of that first day. At the same time, I made my peace with it quickly, probably because of his history.
Anyway, nobody wants to hear the Trials and Tribulations of Luther. This is where an off-color joke would fit nicely.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 12, 2019 17:09:26 GMT -5
A few random thoughts this afternoon.
Like jk, I sort-of specialize in lasagna. The past few years I've moved to almost exclusively vegetarian versions because my girlfriend doesn't eat meat, and it has surprised me how little I miss the meat varieties. (I usually used diced mushrooms and red bell peppers as the filling between layers of noodles.) I love a garlicky, cheesy lasagna, ideally topped with some extra red sauce--and enough of that sauce to dip in some breadsticks.
Ice dams aren't something I'd given a lot of thought to in the past, but now I'm hoping my house makes it through the coming week or so without filling with water. (I think it's going to be OK.)
Sometimes when I'm trying to do something productive, I end up posting random thoughts instead.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 12, 2019 18:13:39 GMT -5
She hasn't quit yet and she may yet decide not to. I wouldn't blame her if she did, but there's space here for her to stick around.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 12, 2019 18:27:18 GMT -5
My final post on the matter will be one I've made on probably every BBs board in the past 20 years: it's just a message board, and it's not worth letting it upset you in real life. People are bolder on a board than they are face to face, but they're also easier to dismiss for the same reason. Real friendships and connections can grow from the boards, and that's great: they can be maintained offline, or elsewhere online. The boards themselves, meh, they're transient. As evidenced by the fact that I've said the same thing on probably half a dozen boards in the past 20 years. And life is transient too, not worth wasting on worrying what some asshole* or another online thinks. My two cents, probably not worth half that.
*One final-final thought via this edit: sometimes I'm the asshole. Sometimes each of us is the asshole in someone's experience. I think it goes better when you remember that.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Mar 12, 2019 19:27:17 GMT -5
Like jk, I sort-of specialize in lasagna. The past few years I've moved to almost exclusively vegetarian versions because my girlfriend doesn't eat meat, and it has surprised me how little I miss the meat varieties. (I usually used diced mushrooms and red bell peppers as the filling between layers of noodles.) I love a garlicky, cheesy lasagna, ideally topped with some extra red sauce--and enough of that sauce to dip in some breadsticks.
Your versions sound very cool, Cap'n. I (and my extended family) swear by my meat version (there's only one). The equally delicious version my wife makes is vegetarian. I tend to eat lasagna whenever a restaurant serves it and inevitably end up much preferring my own. But my main thought (and there's nothing random about it) concerns my friend Cassandra (iluvleniloud) who no longer walks these boards. This will take some getting used to. I imagine others are having a hard time coming to terms with this as well. This place will be less like Gatsby's at the weekend from now on and more like Gatsby's during the week. It was Cassandra who introduced me to F. Scott Fitzgerald's masterpiece during our time at PSF--one reason among many for my eternal gratitude to this rare and lovely person. <3 Jk, that is up to Mujan. She hasn’t deleted her account so there is some hope she will stay. I will say this much and be done with the subject. I don’t believe in this pronoun business and told Mujan that a few weeks ago in one of the political threads. There is no rule here for or against. Mikie and I know Mujan from many years at SS, PSF and of course, here at EH. I have talked to Mikie and he meant nothing by it. Neither one of us has a beef with Mujan nor do we care one way or the other how she sees herself. With that, I have said all I am going to say about it.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Mar 14, 2019 8:33:44 GMT -5
Not quite closed, as it happens. As the topic in question has been locked, I shall say my piece here. Like the Sheriff, I suspect, and maybe others I'm bewildered and a little angry that Cassandra has been banned as "Mujan", a name she used two forums ago. It's as if she's paying for a crime she committed four years ago. It's adding insult to injury not to use her current alias, iluvleniloud. Rant over. Stop the victim stuff. It is not that at all. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of other people getting involved. Mujan, copied the shoutbox board like she knew that she had to back up what went down. Then to top it off, posts it on another site. That is why she is banned. Also, she said she would not come back unless Mikie was let go as Moderator. Well, Mikie isn't going anywhere. So, I suppose she is never coming back anyway. She takes down the outside posting, then I will take off the ban. Pretty simple stuff, really.
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Post by lizzielooziani on Mar 14, 2019 11:34:31 GMT -5
Have never heard of "vocal fry" but I'm not up on current trends (such as one a little while back - trying to swallow a tablespoon of cinnamon without getting sick)
Okay, just heard examples. Didn't realize there was a name for it. I hear young women reporters talking like that in occasion. I do find it somewhat annoying and grating. Will keep reading to find out why people feel they need to sound like that. Guess they find it empowering ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 5:10:39 GMT -5
Stop the victim stuff. It is not that at all. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of other people getting involved. Mujan, copied the shoutbox board like she knew that she had to back up what went down. Then to top it off, posts it on another site. That is why she is banned. Also, she said she would not come back unless Mikie was let go as Moderator. Well, Mikie isn't going anywhere. So, I suppose she is never coming back anyway. She takes down the outside posting, then I will take off the ban. Pretty simple stuff, really. I'm afraid she didn't really post the image on another site. Well, technically she did, but there is virtually no difference between posting it here and Imgur. Let me explain. Imgur is a site to share photos, and sure, there is lots of photos shown publicly on the top page( imgur.com). However, her post wasn't shown publicly ; it's hidden, and shown exclusively to those who clicked the URL, which means the users on EH. For comparison, here's a photo I uploaded publicly: imgur.com/NYmi81j Below the photo, you see upvote & downvote button, as well as "write a comment" section", which are all absent from Leni's post. You might argue that, this way, it's easy for people to post the link of the image to other places and spread it. (There are even some buttons at the bottom to share it on other platforms.) However, even if she had posted it directly on this forum, it would have been very easy for people to share it outside: People would have been able to freely download the photo and post the image on another site, not to mention posting the link to the thread she had posted. So, the points are as follows: 1) it's clear that she used outside photo uploading service just to share the image here (unless she posted it on other places, such as reddit and facebook, by herself), and the image is unnoticeable to those who visit public section of the service ; it's essentially not different from posting the image directly on this forum. 2) Thus, as there's no rule to prohibit members from posting screenshots of other members' posts on this forum, it's hard to consider (at least to me) her upload of the image as an offense worth banning.
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Post by AGD on Mar 15, 2019 5:25:08 GMT -5
Not quite closed, as it happens. As the topic in question has been locked, I shall say my piece here. Like the Sheriff, I suspect, and maybe others I'm bewildered and a little angry that Cassandra has been banned as "Mujan", a name she used two forums ago. It's as if she's paying for a crime she committed four years ago. It's adding insult to injury not to use her current alias, iluvleniloud. Rant over. Their sig line says: "Aliases: Cassandra, theSuperMetroid, Mujan. Use as you please, IDC." So, they don't care. Maybe we should go along with that (and not manufacture drama where none exists).
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Mar 15, 2019 5:58:07 GMT -5
Stop the victim stuff. It is not that at all. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of other people getting involved. Mujan, copied the shoutbox board like she knew that she had to back up what went down. Then to top it off, posts it on another site. That is why she is banned. Also, she said she would not come back unless Mikie was let go as Moderator. Well, Mikie isn't going anywhere. So, I suppose she is never coming back anyway. She takes down the outside posting, then I will take off the ban. Pretty simple stuff, really. I'm afraid she didn't really post the image on another site. Well, technically she did, but there is virtually no difference between posting it here and Imgur. Let me explain. Imgur is a site to share photos, and sure, there is lots of photos shown publicly on the top page( imgur.com). However, her post wasn't shown publicly ; it's hidden, and shown exclusively to those who clicked the URL, which means the users on EH. For comparison, here's a photo I uploaded publicly: imgur.com/NYmi81j Below the photo, you see upvote & downvote button, as well as "write a comment" section", which are all absent from Leni's post. You might argue that, this way, it's easy for people to post the link of the image to other places and spread it. (There are even some buttons at the bottom to share it on other platforms.) However, even if she had posted it directly on this forum, it would have been very easy for people to share it outside: People would have been able to freely download the photo and post the image on another site, not to mention posting the link to the thread she had posted. So, the points are as follows: 1) it's clear that she used outside photo uploading service just to share the image here (unless she posted it on other places, such as reddit and facebook, by herself), and the image is unnoticeable to those who visit public section of the service ; it's essentially not different from posting the image directly on this forum. 2) Thus, as there's no rule to prohibit members from posting screenshots of other members' posts on this forum, it's hard to consider (at least to me) her upload of the image as an offense worth banning. For whose benefit was it posted there? Surely, not mine. I didn’t see it until it was brought to my attention. If she had a problem she should have came to me or the Moderators. She came to me about other things, but not this. To me it is sneaky and deliberately setting up to get people in trouble. I don’t like sneaky. I also don’t like threats. You don’t threaten to leave or not post before anyone is told of the issue. Mikie is staying as Global Moderator, so I have to believe her threat. I like Mujan. Enjoy most of her posts, but honestly I don’t miss the drama.
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 15, 2019 6:42:40 GMT -5
Stop the victim stuff. It is not that at all. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of other people getting involved. Mujan, copied the shoutbox board like she knew that she had to back up what went down. Then to top it off, posts it on another site. That is why she is banned. Also, she said she would not come back unless Mikie was let go as Moderator. Well, Mikie isn't going anywhere. So, I suppose she is never coming back anyway. She takes down the outside posting, then I will take off the ban. Pretty simple stuff, really. I'm afraid she didn't really post the image on another site. Well, technically she did, but there is virtually no difference between posting it here and Imgur. Let me explain. Imgur is a site to share photos, and sure, there is lots of photos shown publicly on the top page( imgur.com). However, her post wasn't shown publicly ; it's hidden, and shown exclusively to those who clicked the URL, which means the users on EH. For comparison, here's a photo I uploaded publicly: imgur.com/NYmi81j Below the photo, you see upvote & downvote button, as well as "write a comment" section", which are all absent from Leni's post. You might argue that, this way, it's easy for people to post the link of the image to other places and spread it. (There are even some buttons at the bottom to share it on other platforms.) However, even if she had posted it directly on this forum, it would have been very easy for people to share it outside: People would have been able to freely download the photo and post the image on another site, not to mention posting the link to the thread she had posted. So, the points are as follows: 1) it's clear that she used outside photo uploading service just to share the image here (unless she posted it on other places, such as reddit and facebook, by herself), and the image is unnoticeable to those who visit public section of the service ; it's essentially not different from posting the image directly on this forum. 2) Thus, as there's no rule to prohibit members from posting screenshots of other members' posts on this forum, it's hard to consider (at least to me) her upload of the image as an offense worth banning. Wata - without getting too deep into the weeds, here, anyone can see, open, screen shoot and republish screen grabs - not just logged-in members, this link. I just pulled an iPad that was not logged in and could open the link. And, anyone can take that link, which opens to a new site, on a different page, apart from EH, and re-publish the screen shots. The screen shots can be re-grabbed and re-published. I would argue that even if there is no embedded "share" button, it can still be forwarded, maybe not into a facebook or reddit site, but forwarded nonetheless. The link can also be re-published, ad infinitum. Plenty of people read this board. And, while there may be no explicit rule, the owner of the website has discretion to enforce what s/he considers a breach in the rules. I'd call it the spirit-of-the-rules, even if not the letter-of-the-law. It is just good decorum. What troubled me a bit, was that the material that is only intended as a non-permanent (mostly for fun) posting spot in The Shout Box, became permanent as a screen shot. If I see something I think will evaporate, as is the intent of the Shout Box I screen shoot it, too, but it is not uploaded. I think the action of screen shooting and uploading it, whether technically a rule breaker, chills the premise that whatever you write evaporates as soon as there are enough posts to toss it over the virtual abyss. The Shout Box is intended to be a blip on the screen and not the screen saver. Pun intended. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a lot of dos and don'ts on its website.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 7:03:23 GMT -5
For whose benefit was it posted there? Surely, not mine. I didn’t see it until it was brought to my attention. If she had a problem she should have came to me or the Moderators. She came to me about other things, but not this. To me it is sneaky and deliberately setting up to get people in trouble. I don’t like sneaky. I also don’t like threats. You don’t threaten to leave or not post before anyone is told of the issue. Mikie is staying as Global Moderator, so I have to believe her threat. I like Mujan. Enjoy most of her posts, but honestly I don’t miss the drama. Just my opinion (excuse me for kind of diverting the topic), but I think that pronoun stuff, as complicated it may be, is enough to make her feel she's not respected. I know referring to someone with wrong gender can happen, since I have done it myself. But when other poster told me that I was wrong, I just said "sorry" and edited it to the correct one. I mean, I don't think it was that hard for Mikie to say sorry, edit it, or both. Plus, we have gender mark system here. I can assuredly say she have been displayed with female mark since she joined PSF back in January, 2017. I think you have seen it countless times, unless you only use mobile, so I don't think it's not hard to recognize her as female, even in case you had recognized her as male back in Smiley. For example, what if someone refer to you, who is shown with male mark, with "she/her", and tell you not to bring up "pronoun issues" and not correct it when you tell them that you're a male? That surely would be bizarre and potentially rude thing to do, and what Mikie and you did should be considered so, unless one believes that transgender people shouldn't be treated as same as those who were born as male/female by birth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 7:26:31 GMT -5
I'm afraid she didn't really post the image on another site. Well, technically she did, but there is virtually no difference between posting it here and Imgur. Let me explain. Imgur is a site to share photos, and sure, there is lots of photos shown publicly on the top page( imgur.com). However, her post wasn't shown publicly ; it's hidden, and shown exclusively to those who clicked the URL, which means the users on EH. For comparison, here's a photo I uploaded publicly: imgur.com/NYmi81j Below the photo, you see upvote & downvote button, as well as "write a comment" section", which are all absent from Leni's post. You might argue that, this way, it's easy for people to post the link of the image to other places and spread it. (There are even some buttons at the bottom to share it on other platforms.) However, even if she had posted it directly on this forum, it would have been very easy for people to share it outside: People would have been able to freely download the photo and post the image on another site, not to mention posting the link to the thread she had posted. So, the points are as follows: 1) it's clear that she used outside photo uploading service just to share the image here (unless she posted it on other places, such as reddit and facebook, by herself), and the image is unnoticeable to those who visit public section of the service ; it's essentially not different from posting the image directly on this forum. 2) Thus, as there's no rule to prohibit members from posting screenshots of other members' posts on this forum, it's hard to consider (at least to me) her upload of the image as an offense worth banning. Wata - without getting too deep into the weeds, here, anyone can see, open, screen shoot and republish screen grabs - not just logged-in members, this link. I just pulled an iPad that was not logged in and could open the link. And, anyone can take that link, which opens to a new site, on a different page, apart from EH, and re-publish the screen shots. The screen shots can be re-grabbed and re-published. I would argue that even if there is no embedded "share" button, it can still be forwarded, maybe not into a facebook or reddit site, but forwarded nonetheless. The link can also be re-published, ad infinitum. Plenty of people read this board. And, while there may be no explicit rule, the owner of the website has discretion to enforce what s/he considers a breach in the rules. I'd call it the spirit-of-the-rules, even if not the letter-of-the-law. It is just good decorum. What troubled me a bit, was that the material that is only intended as a non-permanent (mostly for fun) posting spot in The Shout Box, became permanent as a screen shot. If I see something I think will evaporate, as is the intent of the Shout Box I screen shoot it, too, but it is not uploaded. I think the action of screen shooting and uploading it, whether technically a rule breaker, chills the premise that whatever you write evaporates as soon as there are enough posts to toss it over the virtual abyss. The Shout Box is intended to be a blip on the screen and not the screen saver. Pun intended. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a lot of dos and don'ts on its website. Sorry, I might have been too vague on "users on EH". By that, I meant anyone who uses EH, including lurkers. I should have specified. As for preserving & uploading stuff that's going to evaporate, it's surely debatable, but in this case, as I discussed above, she felt humiliated by one of the shouts there, so in my opinion, it's fair for her to do so. As much as we should respect people's right to erase what they want to delete, I think preserving & sharing proof when you felt you were attacked is understandable.
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 15, 2019 8:21:28 GMT -5
Wata - without getting too deep into the weeds, here, anyone can see, open, screen shoot and republish screen grabs - not just logged-in members, this link. I just pulled an iPad that was not logged in and could open the link. And, anyone can take that link, which opens to a new site, on a different page, apart from EH, and re-publish the screen shots. The screen shots can be re-grabbed and re-published. I would argue that even if there is no embedded "share" button, it can still be forwarded, maybe not into a facebook or reddit site, but forwarded nonetheless. The link can also be re-published, ad infinitum. Plenty of people read this board. And, while there may be no explicit rule, the owner of the website has discretion to enforce what s/he considers a breach in the rules. I'd call it the spirit-of-the-rules, even if not the letter-of-the-law. It is just good decorum. What troubled me a bit, was that the material that is only intended as a non-permanent (mostly for fun) posting spot in The Shout Box, became permanent as a screen shot. If I see something I think will evaporate, as is the intent of the Shout Box I screen shoot it, too, but it is not uploaded. I think the action of screen shooting and uploading it, whether technically a rule breaker, chills the premise that whatever you write evaporates as soon as there are enough posts to toss it over the virtual abyss. The Shout Box is intended to be a blip on the screen and not the screen saver. Pun intended. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a lot of dos and don'ts on its website. Sorry, I might have been too vague on "users on EH". By that, I meant anyone who uses EH, including lurkers. I should have specified. As for preserving & uploading stuff that's going to evaporate, it's surely debatable, but in this case, as I discussed above, she felt humiliated by one of the shouts there, so in my opinion, it's fair for her to do so. As much as we should respect people's right to erase what they want to delete, I think preserving & sharing proof when you felt you were attacked is understandable. Wata - anything in cyberspace is fair game. You know that. And, while BB fan-land is global - these types of fora are small spheres within that big BB cosmos. There is a process, which apparently was not followed - to go to the mod. Not republication on an other website. I (like many others) would have no idea that it was more or less locked-in-place, and didn't migrate. Mujan has multiple websites. I do think the demand to remove a mod - who volunteers, is very knowledgeable, (I've read his posts for over 12 years or so) is not reasonable - and this whole terminology thing is not in the mainstream. I have been involved with 2nd language learning and who know that language, its evolution, and its application take years and it is not an overnight learning curve. It is a nuanced process. I never heard of many of these other terms - and can I learn - of course, but it is a gradual process. I think of computer literacy as an analogy. People are afraid of what they don't know or understand. Among the 20-somethings - maybe there is a quicker adaptation to all of this language and gender recognition. I don't have the answer. Mikie is not a mean guy. I guess that is the point. We are all flippant from time-to-time (I've been a sinner as well) and many of Mujan's posts have been sarcastic, attacking, and carried over old baggage from the old forum. I was on the receiving end of a great deal of it. Old boomers, whatever. This is "old boomer" music, even if I regard myself as a younger boomer. Post-war early rock = all the same generation. Mujan might walk a mile in our shoes as well; everything is not a gender-based attack and realize this is a learning curve for all of us. We are not as a forum a group of un compassionate mean people. Most BB fans I've met are very lovely people. But, I do admire the passion for music and the time spent of Smile - we sure could have used that enthusiastic spirit in the 60's, when things were sinking fast. JMHO, of course.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Mar 15, 2019 9:45:33 GMT -5
Again, she took it in her own hands to reprimand Mikie when she should have had us handle it. Threatening to leave unless Mikie resigned, without talking to me first, was not going to fly and it didn't. Mikie is not resigning or being fired. So, I don't know what the outburst accomplished?
Also, I talked to Mujan weeks ago regarding the pronoun issue when it reared its head in California, and was assured it was not an issue. I am not sure who she is playing to with all the theatrics, but when all is said and done, the decision falls on me.
I have already stated what it will take to undue the ban and that is now on her. When that has happened she will be welcomed back, but will she come back with Mike as our Global Moderator? Again, that will be her decision to make.
I don't care who you are, what you do, who you love, or how you see yourself. You are who you are. Just don't expect everyone else to see things as you do.
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Post by Wicked Lester on Mar 15, 2019 10:49:21 GMT -5
The fact that everyone who has known Mujan back from the Smiley days knows that they are actually a guy makes the whole thing a tad odd. I have little interest in the politics threads but think overall that Mujan is a good poster and hopefully wil return.
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Post by kds on Apr 2, 2019 11:01:08 GMT -5
I think the concepts for Honey I Shrunk the Kids and Final Destination could easily be made into a profitable 3-5 movie franchise.
You take a group of teens or college aged kids, find some random way for them to get shrunk, then they meet their end in a series of creative and gruesome ways.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on May 4, 2019 8:54:05 GMT -5
Went with cat to take evening walk today. It's cooler degrees-wise in the evening. In the noon, it's warm. Anyhoo, we met nice passers-by, some nice middle age chap even took out his hat to greet the cat with friendly "Hello". Cat looked at him whilst sitting in the basket. Btw, bought the cat new scarf with paw prints knitted to it. I figured it's fun & bought it. We went back to flat. Switched his favorite classical music collection. He really likes listening to it. Dislikes simple pop. He meows with dispute when I play different genres. Thus, I listen to music with ear buds via mobile. & cat listens to CD player with classical music with medium volume.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on May 12, 2019 8:55:13 GMT -5
Sun shines today. Yesterday, it didn't. Bottom line: today is better.
Smile, everybody. It's International Smile Day.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Apr 4, 2020 6:59:42 GMT -5
Spring. Anybody enjoy it? I like sun during winter but dislike sunshine when it's spring. What people think?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 12:39:06 GMT -5
I love sunshine any time. In the winter when it shines on the snow, and in the summer when it heats everything up. I sure hope we get to be out of our homes to enjoy it this year! Maybe not.....
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Post by kds on Apr 4, 2020 19:47:04 GMT -5
I enjoy sunshine no matter the season. A little Vitamin D can really make a difference.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Apr 4, 2020 20:31:05 GMT -5
I love sunshine any time. In the winter when it shines on the snow, and in the summer when it heats everything up. I sure hope we get to be out of our homes to enjoy it this year! Maybe not..... Don't you possess patio? Porch to move around in it reading book or watching film thru tablet? That way you multitask - walk around porch/patio getting sunshine AND read book/watch film whilst doing it. How about it?
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