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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 10:11:34 GMT -5
Im not gonna focus on this can of worms, but I will just say when you don't know how someone is called, you're kind of locked into saying "they" by default. In English there is no neutral set of pronouns that doesn't sound dehumanizing. If you google "they" the first hit is a set of definitions. The second of which is "used to refer to a person of unspecified gender" so it is grammatically correct.
I get that people making up new pronouns and shit is...I'll just say it's confusing and leave it at that. But the backlash against made up pronouns like xer, xim and nonbinary "they" has caused an irrational backlash against what's linguistically correct in this circumstance.
And now, just to move the conversation along, I'll say that the animated Castlevania series on netflix is really good. I've been a fan of those games since high school and they ended up adapting the story of the best games (Castlevania 3 and Symphony of the Night) perfectly. Im doubtful it's something that'd be up most of your guys' alley, but for whatever it's worth I'd recommend checking it out. Yes - the can is now open. A lot of languages have male-female articles in front of their nouns which further confuses things. That is far more challenging than personal pronouns. Franky, I find "they" more impersonal than "he" or "she." And it creates grammatical confusion. (I knew RRA1 as a female - but frankly I don't care what gender she uses - she is a poster and that is pretty gender neutral.) There is a backlash for a couple of reasons - this sudden penalization of students, if found using the wrong pronoun. That is not how language should be used. This was not a gradual integration of a new pronoun but an edict. People tend to rebel against edicts - but at the same time - some language group and citizens need to round-table this language evolution. And using "x" seems worse because an X is what you use to delete something. There needs to be a better, non-contentious solution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:15:53 GMT -5
Excuse me, are you replying to me? I thought I was blocked
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 10:22:49 GMT -5
Excuse me, are you replying to me? I thought I was blocked Yes and no. You are blocked, but the messaging involved more than one member. No need for snark; I always post in good faith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:25:34 GMT -5
If true, that's what frightens me
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 10:30:47 GMT -5
If true, that's what frightens me What on earth are you talking about? You are on a message board with others whose ages range from late teens to 70's. Not everyone is going to agree with you or me, and that goes with the territory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:57:48 GMT -5
I thought you good people had blocked each other! This is leading nowhere--please stop. Yes, you too, Cassandra. I have Filled blocked, and this time didn't let her bait me into wasting my time writing a whole big rebuttal to her which she would just not read and then proceed to spin off into some bizarre off-topic rant about god knows what. (And for anyone who's not aware, take a look at the BWPS and Siegal/Anderle correspondence threads for the latest examples. On the PSF that kind of thing happened every single time I tried to engage with Filled thoughtfully.) I can't help it if she continues to respond to my posts egging for a confrontation and then playing the victim anytime she's called out on it. Frankly I think that is troll-like behavior (especially since we went over this at length and everyone agreed we shouldn't converse) and I don't understand why it's tolerated. For someone who condescends to me constantly for my age, I would expect Filled to be the adult in the situation and leave me alone. I haven't tried to start arguments with her, and I specifically worded my post on pronouns to be as non-political as possible.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 10:59:30 GMT -5
What on earth are you talking about? You are on a message board with others whose ages range from late teens to 70's. Not everyone is going to agree with you or me, and that goes with the territory. I thought you good people had blocked each other! This is leading nowhere--please stop. Yes, you too, Cassandra. jk - this topic is one of general interest - to which anyone should be able to neutrally respond. The whole pronoun issue is one of general interest - and after having taught English (American English) it is one that is directly in my orbit. Was that comment a challenge of sorts? I don't know. That is why I asked. Should it be? (That I opined on grammar after having taught English?) I hope not. I do very much appreciate your kind concern, however.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 3, 2019 11:10:06 GMT -5
Cut the bullshit NOW. Mujan and FDP, I'm not fooling around! Next time I won't say anything, the ban hammer will be pulled out, and it'll be one week's timeout!
Mujan, I'm not sure why you initiated the negative remarks. FDP seemed to acknowledge and indirectly reached out to you and you gave her crap. People here don't want to read that negativity. Like I said before, take it to PM's; not here on the board!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 11:14:50 GMT -5
Please stop the bickering. Ignored or not, if anyone posts anything on this board, then anyone is entitled to respond. This stuff is tame compared to what a lot of us had to deal with on the other board. If the disconnect is due to a generation gap, then at least we all understand the issue and how to deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 11:24:12 GMT -5
Cut the bullshit NOW. Mujan and FDP, I'm not fooling around! Next time I won't say anything, the ban hammer will be pulled out, and it'll be one week's timeout! Mujan, I'm not sure why you initiated the negative remarks. FDP seemed to acknowledge and indirectly reached out to you and you gave her crap. People here don't want to read that negativity. Like I said before, take it to PM's; not here on the board! You're coming at this in media res and you don't understand what I've put up with trying to talk to Filled. At the end of the day, I just want to be left alone, not roped into a pointless meandering argument every time she takes issue with something I said. We agreed on radio silence after last time this happened and Filled broke it because she doesn't like what the dictionary says. And somehow it's my fault for not wanting to debate that nonsense. You can check those other two aforementioned threads to see why I'm skeptical at best anytime Filled "reaches out to me." One minute we're on topic, the next I'm reading some gobbldiegook about how climate change is a conspiracy to sell more sunscreen or my words are being twisted and deliberately misinterpreted. At least one other poster on that Siegal/Anderle thread also acknowledged that was happening. Let me ask this: have I ever been mean or adversarial to any other poster here? Is there anyone else here who would say that I treated them unfairly? If so, then I will concede I need to work on the way I relate to posters on here. If not, then don't you think maybe there might be a reason for it? That I've tried to be civil with Filled at least a dozen times, and at this point I'm just done with trying to make the impossible happen?
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 11:57:19 GMT -5
Mujan, is fille not supposed to get involved in anything that you take part in? You are wrong, if you think so. If you are both interested in talking about Smile, then you both have a right to post about it. I want you both here, so I suggest that you and fille please find a way to tolerate each other going forward.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 3, 2019 11:57:48 GMT -5
Cut the bullshit NOW. Mujan and FDP, I'm not fooling around! Next time I won't say anything, the ban hammer will be pulled out, and it'll be one week's timeout! Mujan, I'm not sure why you initiated the negative remarks. FDP seemed to acknowledge and indirectly reached out to you and you gave her crap. People here don't want to read that negativity. Like I said before, take it to PM's; not here on the board! It's always gonna be my fault isn't it? You're coming at this in media res and you don't understand what I've put up with trying to talk to Filled. At the end of the day, I just want to be left alone, not roped into a pointless meandering argument every time she takes issue with something I said. We agreed on radio silence after last time this happened and Filled broke it because she doesn't like what the dictionary says. And somehow it's my fault for not wanting to debate that nonsense. You can check those other two aforementioned threads to see why I'm skeptical at best anytime Filled "reaches out to me." One minute we're on topic, the next I'm reading some gobbldiegook about how climate change is a conspiracy to sell more sunscreen or my words are being twisted and deliberately misinterpreted. At least one other poster on that Siegal/Anderle thread also acknowledged that was happening. Let me ask this: have I ever been mean or adversarial to any other poster here? Is there anyone else here who would say that I treated them unfairly? If so, then I will concede I need to work on the way I relate to posters on here. If not, then don't you think maybe there might be a reason for it? That I've tried to be civil with Filled at least a dozen times, and at this point I'm just done with trying to make the impossible happen? OK, Mujan, you've said your piece so everyone on the board can read it. Everybody understands why you two don't get along. We don't care about the negative experiences between you two on other boards in the past. This board is different. Disagreements are one thing, but multiple posts of bickering and personal negativity towards members of the board won't be tolerated. It's not healthy. People here don't want to read it and it reflects on the board as a whole. So......when I addressed this same issue the other day on another thread and again here today, I meant it! That's enough! If you want to test Dirk and I to see how far we'll go, that's your prerogative. I'd advise that you BOTH take the high road and ignore one another from now on. Please.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 12:44:09 GMT -5
In an attempt to try to the Random Thoughts train back on the track:
- Most of the seafood I prefer actually comes from a bay or ocean, not a sea.
- I can't believe football season will be over in about nine hours
- If I could go back in time, I'd have learned a trade instead of going to college.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 12:45:34 GMT -5
- If I could go back in time, I'd have learned a trade instead of going to college. Going to college was the worst mistake I ever made.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 12:50:32 GMT -5
- If I could go back in time, I'd have learned a trade instead of going to college. Going to college was the worst mistake I ever made. I've made worse, but I think I'd be happier in my professional life had I went another direction.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 3, 2019 15:42:46 GMT -5
I have very mixed feelings about college, especially after having entered the work force and realized the vast majority of corporate life doesn't actually lean heavily on college: it's more about general skills, company-specific training, and sufficient work ethic (not to mention the ability to shut up and play your role). It's not like being a doctor or an electrician, where you literally cannot do it without the relevant education.
The founder and former president of my company told me a long time ago that requiring a college degree for employment was mostly a proxy for stick-to-it-iveness. (I've heard that word or phrase used but don't recall seeing it written. I don't know if that's right. You get the point.) It just demonstrated that a person could finish what he or she started, even when it was tedious or seemingly pointless. What a world.
That said, I loved college, to some extent--and the parts that were the least professionally practical were the best. Big broad concepts in humanities courses were great. History, literature, of course the beloved music of my years majoring in that ... great stuff. I think it's a good thing to be educated broadly even beyond your professional requirements.
But there just has to be a better way than almost forcing 18-year-olds to dig themselves tens of thousands of dollars into debt just for a certification that doesn't actually help them perform the work they end up being required to do.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 16:12:52 GMT -5
My ultimate goal is to compose the next huge Christmas novelty hit, and coast off the royalties.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 3, 2019 18:33:01 GMT -5
Im not gonna focus on this can of worms, but I will just say when you don't know how someone is called, you're kind of locked into saying "they" by default. In English there is no neutral set of pronouns that doesn't sound dehumanizing. If you google "they" the first hit is a set of definitions. The second of which is "used to refer to a person of unspecified gender" so it is grammatically correct.
I get that people making up new pronouns and shit is...I'll just say it's confusing and leave it at that. But the backlash against made up pronouns like xer, xim and nonbinary "they" has caused an irrational backlash against what's linguistically correct in this circumstance.
And now, just to move the conversation along, I'll say that the animated Castlevania series on netflix is really good. I've been a fan of those games since high school and they ended up adapting the story of the best games (Castlevania 3 and Symphony of the Night) perfectly. Im doubtful it's something that'd be up most of your guys' alley, but for whatever it's worth I'd recommend checking it out. Yes - the can is now open. A lot of languages have male-female articles in front of their nouns which further confuses things. That is far more challenging than personal pronouns. Franky, I find "they" more impersonal than "he" or "she." We haven't got ANY articles in the language in front of nouns. Thank goodness for it. I don't see any problem about "they" being "impersonal". Doesn't seem like bad thing. It looks to me like polite way of addressing somebody.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 18:55:06 GMT -5
Yes - the can is now open. A lot of languages have male-female articles in front of their nouns which further confuses things. That is far more challenging than personal pronouns. Franky, I find "they" more impersonal than "he" or "she." We haven't got ANY articles in the language in front of nouns. Thank goodness for it. I don't see any problem about "they" being "impersonal". Doesn't seem like bad thing. It looks to me like polite way of addressing somebody. Here are the way these Subject (Personal) Pronouns are laid out - Singular Plural I We You You He, she, it They "They" signifies plural or more than one person. It is not about good or bad, but singular or plural. "They" is a pronoun that means more than one person. It is used as the subject of a sentence.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 4, 2019 13:52:06 GMT -5
Yeah, what happened to the original question? First reference to said question is way back on page one of this thread, when it was quoted in a reply by KDS. Did you delete your original post on the subject or is it just me? I’m confused! Are you confused by my reply? Not at all, KDS, I’m confused over what happened to the original question BFFA1 said she’d posted. It now seems to exist only as a quote in your reply. “Intrigued” might have been a better phrase… why delete a post then get proprietorial over it? Maybe a moderator or an admin deleted it. Perhaps.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 4, 2019 13:56:26 GMT -5
That poster deletes a lot of posts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 14:17:41 GMT -5
Watching The Time Machine (1960) and Hitchcock's The Birds makes me upset that Rod Taylor wasn't in more movies. He was a great leading man, handsome, suave and compassionate. I've seen a lot of old movies and these are the only two leading roles I know him from.
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Post by AGD on Feb 4, 2019 18:50:59 GMT -5
So now we must refer to you as Beach Persons Fan (or BPF for short), I take it. Because that's truthful identity. Song titles & band name got nothing to do with it. Ah, so it's Queen of Hearts territory. Thought that might be the case.
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Post by jasonaustin on Feb 4, 2019 21:19:30 GMT -5
Random Thought of the Day: My facial recognition ability sucks. I'm speaking mainly where it's concerning differentiation of on-screen personalities, but it happens to me in real life as well. I'm definitely the guy to go up and introduce myself to somebody at a party, only to have that person respond, "yeah man, we met at so-and-so. don't you remember me?" Awkward.
Anyway, case in point, last night I realized that for years I've thought the actresses Linda Cardellini and Lizzie Caplan were the same person. And I've been watching them both steady for over a decade, going back to things like Grandma's Boy and Party Down.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 8, 2019 13:23:46 GMT -5
Watching The Time Machine (1960) and Hitchcock's The Birds makes me upset that Rod Taylor wasn't in more movies. He was a great leading man, handsome, suave and compassionate. I've seen a lot of old movies and these are the only two leading roles I know him from. Me too, Leni. Agree with you. There's sadly many good actors which didn't get to frequently shine in screen. Incidentally (fits the thread title), doesn't Rod look like Robin Williams? There's few face similarities.
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