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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:50:32 GMT -5
I hear ya guys, but you're still not convincing me. I think you're giving Brian too much credit for dates, and I think you're ignoring the fact that all he was saying in the 1st sentence is that "She's Goin' Bald" and "He Gives Speeches" are both the same, besides their title/lyrics. That's what I take out of that line. You guys don't, which ruins the rest of the quotes perspective. I would assume that Brian would've done the same thing he did to SGB to HGS. You guys don't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:53:49 GMT -5
But that quote isn't saying it wasn't used because of the Eltro effect. And anyway point is, the Eltro wasn't used on He Gives Speeches. I'm not sure on the idea that when Darian was playing through his ProTools fragments Brian turned down using HGS because he was embarrassed by a sound effect that wasn't used on the recording but might have been implemented if he'd decided to work on it beyond the initial tracking date, but there's no evidence that he ever actually did. That's exactly what it's saying, regardless of whether he was talking about SGB or HGS. He was afraid people would think of HAL, and not this cool effect in the song. The Eltro wasn't used on the HGS tape we have. It's a section that would've been spliced together with other music. Don't you think Brian would wait to add the Eltro effect until he was getting ready to splice everything together? |
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Post by AGD on Mar 28, 2019 18:59:32 GMT -5
So... Brian is right when it suits you, but wrong when we point out he's talking about 1967, not 1966.
""There was a song called "She's Goin' Bald" on the Smiley Smile album in 1967. Originally, it was different. Originally, it was called "He Gives Speeches." It was a strange little piece, lots of voices. To do that in 1967, we used something called an Eltro Information Rate Changer, which changed pitch without speeding up or slowing down the tape."
Does he say "HGS" and "SGB" are the same song ? No, he does not.
Does he clearly differentiate between the two songs ? Yes, he does. "Originally, it was different."
Does he say he used the Eltro in 1966, on "HGS" ? No, he does not.
Does he say he used the Eltro in 1967 on "SGB" ? Yes, he does.
If you're still going to argue the toss after this, can't help you, Sundance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:31:38 GMT -5
So... Brian is right when it suits you, but wrong when we point out he's talking about 1967, not 1966. ""There was a song called "She's Goin' Bald" on the Smiley Smile album in 1967. Originally, it was different. Originally, it was called "He Gives Speeches." It was a strange little piece, lots of voices. To do that in 1967, we used something called an Eltro Information Rate Changer, which changed pitch without speeding up or slowing down the tape." Does he say "HGS" and "SGB" are the same song ? No, he does not. Does he clearly differentiate between the two songs ? Yes, he does. "Originally, it was different." Does he say he used the Eltro in 1966, on "HGS" ? No, he does not. Does he say he used the Eltro in 1967 on "SGB" ? Yes, he does. If you're still going to argue the toss after this, can't help you, Sundance. Ohhhhhh I totally get where you're coming from now. If you take out the mentioning of HGS, you're left with him solely talking about SGB. Yeah, you might be right and probably are. I don't know tho, I kinda like using the Eltro in my mix. So there is no evidence that the Eltro was used for HGS. I'm gonna do some thinking and figure out if I wanna keep the Eltro effect in HGS then. |
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Post by John Manning on Mar 29, 2019 3:03:32 GMT -5
Brian has shown, even in recent years, that he can, at times, be astonishingly shit-hot with dates.
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Post by Micha on Jun 14, 2019 16:36:41 GMT -5
I think it fits into CIFOTM, both keywise and lyrical content. "Little hands shadowed on the ceiling". My layout:
Chorus/verse/chorus/verse/HGS/bridge/chorus
That said, HGS is not a very intricately arranged recording and I wouldn't blame anybody to discard it. As there is quite a lack of CIFOTM lyrics, I use HGS because it HAS lyrics.
Brian evidently didn't think so in November 1966 when he made his final edit and mix. I disagree with you in one thing: Brian didn't make a final edit and mix until 2004.
The fact that HGS fits keywise and in lyrical content is of course no clue that it was ever meant to be part of CIFOTM. That can't keep me from using it.
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Post by Micha on Jun 14, 2019 16:40:06 GMT -5
Oh, and about trying to get clues about SMiLE from the second "autobiography": The fact that "Child Is Father To The Man" is called "Child Is Father TO The Man" there is proof enough to me that Brian has had nothing to do with the writing of that chapter.
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Post by arnoldfringe on May 24, 2020 9:12:58 GMT -5
bygone, I love your SMiLE Mix. Thank you!  |
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Post by Jim on May 24, 2020 14:14:46 GMT -5
Oh, and about trying to get clues about SMiLE from the second "autobiography": The fact that "Child Is Father To The Man" is called "Child Is Father TO The Man" there is proof enough to me that Brian has had nothing to do with the writing of that chapter. This is from forever ago, but this makes no sense to me. So you're saying that the song "Child Is Father Of The Man" was referred to in the book as "Child Is Father To The Man" in the book, so that means you think Brian had nothing to do with writing of the chapter? The problem with this theory is that even you, Micha, just called it "Child Is Father To The Man" as well in that post, showing how easy it is to make that mistake. Heck, I bet dollars to donuts, Al Jardine doesn't know the correct title. As far as I can remember, he doesn't even think "Do You Like Worms" equals "Roll Plymouth Rock." He apparently thinks (or at least thought) that "Do You Like Worms" is an entirely different piece. Also, I gotta say, "Child Is Father..." is probably one of my favorite cuts from The Beach Boys' SMiLE, yet sometimes I can't remember what the official title is. Is it "Child Is Father Of The Man" or "Child Is The Father Of The Man" or "Child Is The Father To The Man"? My point? Once again, it's easy to confuse. Perhaps Brian (and the co-author) (and Melinda) all made that mistake, and surely the editor probably wasn't pulling out copies of BWPS or The SMiLE Sessions to verify. |
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Post by zaval80 on May 24, 2020 15:14:52 GMT -5
For Soniclovenoize - regarding your latest updated Smile mix: 1. May '66 Reconstruction. GV instrumental track with theremin. Are you familiar with the 1976 Beach Boys radio special called "The Best Summers Of Our Lives"? It was the first public exposure to the alternate Good Vibrations with Tony Asher's lyrics. At the very end where announcer Charlie Van Dyke is reading the credits, this GV section is playing in the background. It could be on the 2011 Smile Sessions, but I don't recall ever hearing this Good Vibrations instrumental part since the radio special. Though my memory could be fading......and that's definitely a possibility. Do you know what I'm talking about? The master take from Session 2, Take 26. |
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Post by Mikie on May 24, 2020 15:53:48 GMT -5
For Soniclovenoize - regarding your latest updated Smile mix: 1. May '66 Reconstruction. GV instrumental track with theremin. Are you familiar with the 1976 Beach Boys radio special called "The Best Summers Of Our Lives"? It was the first public exposure to the alternate Good Vibrations with Tony Asher's lyrics. At the very end where announcer Charlie Van Dyke is reading the credits, this GV section is playing in the background. It could be on the 2011 Smile Sessions, but I don't recall ever hearing this Good Vibrations instrumental part since the radio special. Though my memory could be fading......and that's definitely a possibility. Do you know what I'm talking about? The master take from Session 2, Take 26. Wheresitat? |
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Post by zaval80 on May 24, 2020 16:05:14 GMT -5
SOT UM Vol 15 1-07, 1-08; TSS 5-02 (edited).
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Post by Micha on Jun 29, 2020 15:44:01 GMT -5
Oh, and about trying to get clues about SMiLE from the second "autobiography": The fact that "Child Is Father To The Man" is called "Child Is Father TO The Man" there is proof enough to me that Brian has had nothing to do with the writing of that chapter. This is from forever ago, but this makes no sense to me. So you're saying that the song "Child Is Father Of The Man" was referred to in the book as "Child Is Father To The Man" in the book, so that means you think Brian had nothing to do with writing of the chapter? The problem with this theory is that even you, Micha, just called it "Child Is Father To The Man" as well in that post, showing how easy it is to make that mistake. Heck, I bet dollars to donuts, Al Jardine doesn't know the correct title. As far as I can remember, he doesn't even think "Do You Like Worms" equals "Roll Plymouth Rock." He apparently thinks (or at least thought) that "Do You Like Worms" is an entirely different piece. Also, I gotta say, "Child Is Father..." is probably one of my favorite cuts from The Beach Boys' SMiLE, yet sometimes I can't remember what the official title is. Is it "Child Is Father Of The Man" or "Child Is The Father Of The Man" or "Child Is The Father To The Man"? My point? Once again, it's easy to confuse. Perhaps Brian (and the co-author) (and Melinda) all made that mistake, and surely the editor probably wasn't pulling out copies of BWPS or The SMiLE Sessions to verify.
I messed it up that day  , true, but only because I had to have the wrong title in my mind too for pointing out it is wrong. Writing a book not thinking about the wrong title and having to re-read it for eliminating mistakes I don't think this would have happened. And especially not if I had sung "father OF the man" a hundred times on stage. I don't believe Brian made that mistake. I think the only two books in which I read the wrong version are LLVS and I Am Brian Wilson. Those and my post you pointed out.  Even Priore got it right in his 2005 book.
I'm with you that Al probably doesn't know the correct title, not having been part of the SMiLE tours. In fact I think it is more likely that Al wrote the chapter with CIFTTM instead of CIFOTM than that Brian wrote it. 
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Post by eraserheadbaby on Oct 15, 2020 17:06:42 GMT -5
Odd place for Our Prayer
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Post by dumdangel (Lee) on Oct 25, 2020 22:17:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't personally portray Prayer as a session in Church simply out of respect for Brian's personal distance kept from organized religion.
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Post by mellowlight on Jul 16, 2022 18:09:27 GMT -5
Here's mine. 12 tracks with fades (except for one track), all in New Improved Full Dimensional Stereo (except for one track). drive.google.com/open?id=1ZjFMbj8QIQ5-AcHyBowR0FH2mbySXt6IPrayer Do You Like Worms
Wind Chimes
Heroes And Villains
I'm In Great Shape
Cabin Essence
Wonderful
Child Is Father Of The Man
Vega-Tables
Fire
Surf's Up
Good Vibrations
any chance you could repost this mix? link is dead and i was really excited to check it out |
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Post by mellowlight on Jul 16, 2022 18:10:06 GMT -5
also if anyone has any mixes theyd like to share, i'd love to hear them, hope its ok to bring back this old thread
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Post by Mikie on Jul 16, 2022 21:19:17 GMT -5
also if anyone has any mixes theyd like to share, i'd love to hear them, hope its ok to bring back this old thread Mellowlight, we would like you to introduce yourself to the board members here. Would you introduce yourself here please? Thanks. endlessharmony.boards.net/board/26/new-member-introductionsRemember, posting trading site information on the board is prohibited. The best way to do it is via PM. Thanks! |
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Post by Al S on Jul 16, 2022 21:55:54 GMT -5
also if anyone has any mixes theyd like to share, i'd love to hear them, hope its ok to bring back this old thread yeah, it’s cool to revive it! As per Mikie, the acquiring stuff to listen part is not permissible here, but the discussion of mixi is always welcome! |
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Post by mellowlight on Jul 16, 2022 22:19:44 GMT -5
also if anyone has any mixes theyd like to share, i'd love to hear them, hope its ok to bring back this old thread Mellowlight, we would like you to introduce yourself to the board members here. Would you introduce yourself here please? Thanks. endlessharmony.boards.net/board/26/new-member-introductionsRemember, posting trading site information on the board is prohibited. The best way to do it is via PM. Thanks! oh that’s my bad, sorry about that.I appreciate the welcome and the help, I’ll introduce in a minute |
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Post by mellowlight on Jul 16, 2022 22:21:17 GMT -5
Thanks Alan as well, would love to see track lists people are using. I know it’s a topic that has been done to death but i can’t get enough of seeing how people mix theirs
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 16, 2022 22:51:48 GMT -5
Back in the early eighties when the first Smile bootleg material began appearing, I made an interesting Smile compilation tape on my 4-track Teac reel-to-reel recorder. The opening track was an overture for the album I created. I blended excerpts from the instrumental backing track versions of the upcoming Smile songs, overlapping each other, including Do You Like Worms, Cabinessence, Wonderful, Child is Father, Surf’s Up, Good Vibrations, etc. into a suite with the Surf’s Up talking horn and noise effects popping in and out. I don’t think I have the tape anymore, but I thought it was really effective.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 16, 2022 22:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by mellowlight on Jul 17, 2022 1:41:08 GMT -5
Back in the early eighties when the first Smile bootleg material began appearing, I made an interesting Smile compilation tape on my 4-track Teac reel-to-reel recorder. The opening track was an overture for the album I created. I blended excerpts from the instrumental backing track versions of the upcoming Smile songs, overlapping each other, including Do You Like Worms, Cabinessence, Wonderful, Child is Father, Surf’s Up, Good Vibrations, etc. into a suite with the Surf’s Up talking horn and noise effects popping in and out. I don’t think I have the tape anymore, but I thought it was really effective. that sounds amazing |
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Post by dayravies on Jul 17, 2022 13:28:26 GMT -5
I've been working on my mix again lately, and so far what I'm working with looks something like this: Heroes & Villains Part I: "alternate version", omits Cantina, includes Great Shape and Fade (this link is an earlier version of mine, I'm working on a new one) Heroes & Villains Part II: includes Gee, Cantina, chants, piano theme, prelude to fade Cabin Essence* Wonderful* Do You Like Worms (new edit in-progress) [may include a "Barnyard Suite" if I can perfect it] Old Master Painter* Good Vibrations: extended edit Look* Wind Chimes: alternate edit Vega-Tables* Child Is Father Of The Man* The Elements, Fire: omits intro Surf's Up: (new edit in progress, Our Prayer reprise, extended intro) * denotes soniclovenoize mix |
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, true, but only because I had to have the wrong title in my mind too for pointing out it is wrong. Writing a book not thinking about the wrong title and having to re-read it for eliminating mistakes I don't think this would have happened. And especially not if I had sung "father OF the man" a hundred times on stage. I don't believe Brian made that mistake. I think the only two books in which I read the wrong version are LLVS and I Am Brian Wilson. Those and my post you pointed out. 
Even Priore got it right in his 2005 book.
