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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 17, 2020 11:30:59 GMT -5
Oh so you're an emanations and penumbra type of person...
I get why it's a popular short hand, and believe me, I love the studio musicians as if they are my own family. I just think it's a faulty label. Was Barney Kessel part of the wrecking crew even though he still wore a suit and tie? Was Sid Sharpe? What about lesser known guys who still had thousands of gigs? I am starting to hesitate to use the term because it s rarely encompasses everyone I wish to talk about. You know, I love Hal Blaine and Tommy Tedesco just as much as Len Hartmann and Harry Hyams. Does everyone who was in the Local AF of M 47 count as Wrecking Crew?
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 17, 2020 12:27:46 GMT -5
Oh so you're an emanations and penumbra type of person... I get why it's a popular short hand, and believe me, I love the studio musicians as if they are my own family. I just think it's a faulty label. Was Barney Kessel part of the wrecking crew even though he still wore a suit and tie? Was Sid Sharpe? What about lesser known guys who still had thousands of gigs? I am starting to hesitate to use the term because it s rarely encompasses everyone I wish to talk about. You know, I love Hal Blaine and Tommy Tedesco just as much as Len Hartmann and Harry Hyams. Does everyone who was in the Local AF of M 47 count as Wrecking Crew? The night I saw this - I just sat as a fly on the wall and looked around at my contemporaries. At the gasps, and the ooohs and aahs of the audience...the singing along, when they are taking in listening to the soundtrack of their youth, and what defined them as a generation and a kid looking to tell a story of his father's colleagues. We should all be so lucky to have a kid care that much and work to tell an untold story about a parent's work - and, this generally unknown entity take its place in history - otherwise they might be regarded as just "hired hands" as opposed to a group who were not afraid to try new things and take direction from a "kid" like Brian. To a fan who does not know any better - those backing musicians were invisible. To a greater extent he put a name on that era. We only see the headliners not necessarily those who help make the magic. Don't be afraid to use any term...it is more of a collective term than a hard and fast set-in-stone label. It gave me an appreciation of those musicians who prior to that film, were invisible because no one had taken the time to tell their back story and how it moved from NY to Los Angeles which is a big enough story in its own right for that era.
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Post by craigslowinski on Apr 17, 2020 12:32:52 GMT -5
According to Hal's book, the term was jokingly applied to the "younger generation" of studio players who did Rock 'n' Roll sessions. The "older generation" players said something like, "This new music is going to wreck the industry", and so the younger guys who did those sessions became known as "The Wrecking Crew".
Now, the extent to which that tag stuck is certainly debatable - Carol Kaye claims they were never referred to in this way until Hal's book came along, and then it became legend. I think what probably happened was, the remark was made, and maybe the younger players started calling themselves that - maybe for a week at the most, then it was quickly forgotten, except in Hal's mind, and thus he mentioned it in passing to the book's co-writer, who latched onto it as a good "hook" and it then made it into the book's title. That's my guess.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 17, 2020 12:37:05 GMT -5
I don't object to the use of it. But I will not use it anymore and now you know why.
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 17, 2020 12:37:37 GMT -5
According to Hal's book, the term was jokingly applied to the "younger generation" of studio players who did Rock 'n' Roll sessions. The "older generation" players said something like, " This new music is going to wreck the industry", and so the younger guys who did those sessions became known as "The Wrecking Crew". Now, the extent to which that tag stuck is certainly debatable - Carol Kaye claims they were never referred to in this way until Hal's book came along, and then it became legend. I think what probably happened was, the remark was made, and maybe the younger players started calling themselves that - maybe for a week at the most, then it was quickly forgotten, except in Hal's mind, and thus he mentioned it in passing to the book's co-writer, who latched onto it as a good "hook" and it then made it into the book's title. That's my guess. Ya - that is how I took it. It was a "hook" that took on a life of its own. Whatever the reception - it started the conversation and caused new appreciation for that whole sphere of session musicians. A teaching moment of sorts. I like it!
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Post by AGD on Apr 17, 2020 14:28:41 GMT -5
According to Hal's book, the term was jokingly applied to the "younger generation" of studio players who did Rock 'n' Roll sessions. The "older generation" players said something like, "This new music is going to wreck the industry", and so the younger guys who did those sessions became known as "The Wrecking Crew". Now, the extent to which that tag stuck is certainly debatable - Carol Kaye claims they were never referred to in this way until Hal's book came along, and then it became legend. I think what probably happened was, the remark was made, and maybe the younger players started calling themselves that - maybe for a week at the most, then it was quickly forgotten, except in Hal's mind, and thus he mentioned it in passing to the book's co-writer, who latched onto it as a good "hook" and it then made it into the book's title. That's my guess. Kaye claims they were referred to as "The Clique", a term I had never heard before she said that and one I couldn't find any reference to other than in her interviews.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 17, 2020 15:31:14 GMT -5
According to Hal's book, the term was jokingly applied to the "younger generation" of studio players who did Rock 'n' Roll sessions. The "older generation" players said something like, "This new music is going to wreck the industry", and so the younger guys who did those sessions became known as "The Wrecking Crew". Now, the extent to which that tag stuck is certainly debatable - Carol Kaye claims they were never referred to in this way until Hal's book came along, and then it became legend. I think what probably happened was, the remark was made, and maybe the younger players started calling themselves that - maybe for a week at the most, then it was quickly forgotten, except in Hal's mind, and thus he mentioned it in passing to the book's co-writer, who latched onto it as a good "hook" and it then made it into the book's title. That's my guess. Kaye claims they were referred to as "The Clique", a term I had never heard before she said that and one I couldn't find any reference to other than in her interviews. Plas Johnson also mentions "The Clique" in 'Sound Explosion!': "We were named 'The Clique' by other session players who weren't in the clique. They would say that the only reason they couldn't get record dates is because they were not in the clique"
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Post by AGD on Apr 18, 2020 0:02:52 GMT -5
... which was published in 2016. What about the half century before that ? The earliest concrete mention I've found of "The Wrecking Crew" is from 1977, which counters the claim that Hal made it up for his 1990 book: High Fidelity/Musical America volume 27 #2
The earliest mention of "The Clique" I can unearth (correction welcomed) is from 2011: Musicradar 24/10/2011... and then she said "If we called the group of musicians anything, it might have been 'The Clique.'" If. Might.
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Post by mrrobinsonsfather on Apr 18, 2020 3:33:25 GMT -5
Ahh didn’t know about this book, thanks
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 18, 2020 8:26:11 GMT -5
Ahh didn’t know about this book, thanks It's wonderful.
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Post by craigslowinski on Apr 18, 2020 8:37:42 GMT -5
Ahh didn’t know about this book, thanks It's wonderful. I'm guessing the cool caricatures on the cover of Ken's book represent, clockwise from upper left, Hal Blaine, Plas Johnson, Tommy Tedesco, Larry Knechtel, Carol Kaye...
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 18, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing the cool caricatures on the cover of Ken's book represent, clockwise from upper left, Hal Blaine, Plas Johnson, Tommy Tedesco, Larry Knechtel, Carol Kaye... ken-sharp.com/wrecking-crew/index.htmlYes, a really cool cover!
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 18, 2020 10:25:02 GMT -5
I'm guessing the cool caricatures on the cover of Ken's book represent, clockwise from upper left, Hal Blaine, Plas Johnson, Tommy Tedesco, Larry Knechtel, Carol Kaye... I think it's supposed to be Randi.
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Post by petsite on Apr 19, 2020 8:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 19, 2020 9:19:08 GMT -5
Boy - Carl looked just like his mom.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 19, 2020 10:15:53 GMT -5
Always cool to see a pic Jardine on bass.
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Post by petsite on Apr 30, 2020 19:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by dauber on May 2, 2020 14:48:31 GMT -5
I don't 100% remember the circumstances of this picture, so this is the best of my recollection...
Some time in the '90s I made a cassette copy of Carl's albums for someone who lost hers or didn't have a turntable or something. IIRC, at the time of this exchange she was running a resort in Bull Shoals, Arkansas with her husband, and she sent me this picture. I think she said it was from a 1971 concert. I don't have the cover letter any more so I can't say for sure when exactly or where it was, but I thought itw as interesting that I found this in a box-o-random-stuff.
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Post by ian on May 3, 2020 9:10:04 GMT -5
Based on my extensive collection of concert stuff-I’d date this to 1974 probably
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Post by craigslowinski on May 3, 2020 9:20:06 GMT -5
Based on my extensive collection of concert stuff-I’d date this to 1974 probably That would've been my guess - Al had longer hair in '71, that looks like the Strat he played in '74, and the stage rig looks like the one seen in other '74 concert shots.
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Post by ian on May 3, 2020 9:31:05 GMT -5
July 28 1974 Houston-check out the Rockin Houston site and you’ll see numerous photos of this show-where the BBs opened for CSNY
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Post by filledeplage on May 3, 2020 11:10:15 GMT -5
July 28 1974 Houston-check out the Rockin Houston site and you’ll see numerous photos of this show-where the BBs opened for CSNY Great site! Shirtless Dennis!
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Post by petsite on Jul 6, 2020 9:42:08 GMT -5
Carl, Brian, Dennis, Alan and Bruce at Brian's home studio March 12, 1971 - session: This Whole World [Eastern Airlines advert version]
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Post by petsite on Jul 6, 2020 9:44:51 GMT -5
Brian on Santa's lap, 1981.
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