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Post by sneakypete77 on Feb 12, 2020 15:54:38 GMT -5
Good to see you back aboard Klaas, it's been quite a while and you've been busy! I'll try to put an hour aside tomorrow to read all the new things you've posted. Do keep it coming, it's fascinating stuff.
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Post by sneakypete77 on Feb 14, 2020 8:36:18 GMT -5
Well done Klaas, your detective work in trying to sort out the conflicting dates and reasons for Carl’s visit is intriguing, and also illustrates yet again the shortcomings of Badman’s often flawed research.
You touched briefly on the Edison awards earlier in the topic, but the list of winners shows an impressive collection of world class acts (even though a lot of them seemingly couldn’t be bothered to turn up). The one I homed in on was the Netherlands duo of Mouth and MacNeal because apart from having one of the coolest names of that period I recall fondly their chart hits, this one reaching the top ten Stateside.The guy went by the Dutch name of Willem Duyn, but I’ve always suspected it was one of Roy Wood’s extra curricular activities :
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2020 3:11:20 GMT -5
"Stan Love’s memo on the expiration date regarding the delivering of the SMiLE album is also mentioned in Dominic Priore’s book “The Story of Brian Wilson’s Lost Masterpiece SMiLE”, although no specific date is mentioned (somewhere in March 1973)"
There's a photo of said memo (dated March 8, 1973), signed by Steve Love, not Stan, in David Leaf's book (p. 119 of the 1985 edition), and the delivery date is stated as "no later than 1 May".
"On Andrew Doe’s Bellagio website it is mentioned on the 1973 timeline that the deadline for the delivery of the SMiLE tapes was as early as January 1973,"
Indeed it is. Shame, because that's entirely wrong. Should be May 1st as noted above. Will fix asap.
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2020 3:51:29 GMT -5
"Stan Love’s memo on the expiration date regarding the delivering of the SMiLE album is also mentioned in Dominic Priore’s book “The Story of Brian Wilson’s Lost Masterpiece SMiLE”, although no specific date is mentioned (somewhere in March 1973)" There's a photo of said memo (dated March 8, 1973), signed by Steve Love, not Stan, in David Leaf's book (p. 119 of the 1985 edition), and the delivery date is stated as "no later than 1 May". "On Andrew Doe’s Bellagio website it is mentioned on the 1973 timeline that the deadline for the delivery of the SMiLE tapes was as early as January 1973," Indeed it is. Shame, because that's entirely wrong. Should be May 1st as noted above. Will fix asap.
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2020 3:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2020 3:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2020 4:08:56 GMT -5
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Post by Fall Breaks on Feb 16, 2020 6:10:29 GMT -5
That artwork is ... interesting. Any story behind it? Like, what a power outlet has to do with the album?
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Post by ian on Feb 16, 2020 8:55:14 GMT -5
As noted in my book-Carl didn’t fire jack in March 1973. In fact jack traveled with the BBs on their April 1973 tour and I even have a college Newspaper interview with him. I believe he was involved with the BBs till the summer at least.
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2020 9:20:57 GMT -5
I'll dig out my 1982 interview with JFR III and put it up here.
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Post by craigslowinski on Feb 16, 2020 13:38:19 GMT -5
As noted in my book-Carl didn’t fire jack in March 1973. In fact jack traveled with the BBs on their April 1973 tour and I even have a college Newspaper interview with him. I believe he was involved with the BBs till the summer at least. Yeah, Jack introduces the band at the start of their August 24th Hartford, CT show - so I'd say September or October would be the likely time of his dismissal.
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 16, 2020 14:13:06 GMT -5
Or rather : “farewell at Scheveningen” (as posted on page 10 and earlier)
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 16, 2020 14:14:38 GMT -5
I'll dig out my 1982 interview with JFR III and put it up here. That will be an interesting read. Thanks in advance!
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 16, 2020 14:24:34 GMT -5
"Stan Love’s memo on the expiration date regarding the delivering of the SMiLE album is also mentioned in Dominic Priore’s book “The Story of Brian Wilson’s Lost Masterpiece SMiLE”, although no specific date is mentioned (somewhere in March 1973)" There's a photo of said memo (dated March 8, 1973), signed by Steve Love, not Stan, in David Leaf's book (p. 119 of the 1985 edition), and the delivery date is stated as "no later than 1 May". "On Andrew Doe’s Bellagio website it is mentioned on the 1973 timeline that the deadline for the delivery of the SMiLE tapes was as early as January 1973," Indeed it is. Shame, because that's entirely wrong. Should be May 1st as noted above. Will fix asap. So I guess we can conclude then that it was a convenient coincidence that Carl had planned his trip to The Netherlands already, and Carl was also able to discuss Steve Love’s SMiLE memo with Jack Rieley face to face (assuming he visited Rieley during his visit to the Neth, but I can’t imagine he wouldn’t have). Thanks for adding this info, Andrew. I should have checked those books - and Ian’s! - before drawing my conclusions. I’ll have to correct those as well.
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 16, 2020 14:45:09 GMT -5
That artwork is ... interesting. Any story behind it? Like, what a power outlet has to do with the album? Well, the power outlet was indeed a topic then. In this Holland promo booklet it is explained that the group decided to fly over a new mixing console to the Dutch studio, when it became clear that there the Dutch studios with up-to-par equipment were already booked. Once installed nothing worked as it should and it took quite some time and money to repair everything. What isn’t specifically mentioned though, although part of the problem, was that the equipment didn’t work properly because of the difference in electrical volts and amps. That might explain that picture; a subtle nudge to the trouble it took to record an album at all.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 16, 2020 15:16:49 GMT -5
That artwork is ... interesting. Any story behind it? Like, what a power outlet has to do with the album? Well, the power outlet was indeed a topic then. In this Holland promo booklet it is explained that the group decided to fly over a new mixing console to the Dutch studio, when it became clear that there the Dutch studios with up-to-par equipment were already booked. Once installed nothing worked as it should and it took quite some time and money to repair everything. What isn’t specifically mentioned though, although part of the problem, was that the equipment didn’t work properly because of the difference in electrical volts and amps. That might explain that picture; a subtle nudge to the trouble it took to record an album at all. Yeah, the AC power socket pictured on the cover of the booklet depicts an American 110/120/60Hz (type A, ungrounded) outlet. Power outlets in Holland are 220/240/50Hz (type C & F) sockets. The voltages/currents/frequencies are different between the two countries, so power converters and filters had to be used to assure that the equipment built in the U.S. was compatible with the power requirements in the Netherlands.
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2020 18:22:04 GMT -5
L-R: Audree Wilson, Jack Rieley, Marilyn, unknown, unknown, Annie Wilson, Carl, Mike
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2020 18:26:36 GMT -5
Well, the power outlet was indeed a topic then. In this Holland promo booklet it is explained that the group decided to fly over a new mixing console to the Dutch studio, when it became clear that there the Dutch studios with up-to-par equipment were already booked. Once installed nothing worked as it should and it took quite some time and money to repair everything. What isn’t specifically mentioned though, although part of the problem, was that the equipment didn’t work properly because of the difference in electrical volts and amps. That might explain that picture; a subtle nudge to the trouble it took to record an album at all. Yeah, the AC power socket pictured on the cover of the booklet depicts an American 110/120/60Hz (type A, ungrounded) outlet. Power outlets in Holland are 220/240/50Hz (type C & F) sockets. The voltages/currents/frequencies are different between the two countries, so power converters and filters had to be used to assure that the equipment built in the U.S. was compatible with the power requirements in the Netherlands. All of which underscores what a badly organised excursion the Holland jaunt was: they expected to find suitable housing in Amsterdam... they expected to find suitable studios with free time... and having discovered the latter to be a huge problem, commissioned a new console from scratch without considering the power differences. Buncha amateurs. Sack the manager.
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2020 19:09:09 GMT -5
Can't wait to read your article AGD
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Post by AGD on Feb 17, 2020 1:57:41 GMT -5
OK, so I found it (no mean feat...) and I'll transcribe/scan it very soon, but on the topic of Jack's sacking, he told me that, living in Holland he wasn't thrilled with having to fly stateside "for the preparation of the live album", which was released November 19th 1973, so that would be late summer/early fall. Additionally there was a "crisis of confidence" between him & Carl which escalated into a full-on band meeting (minus Ricky, Blondie and, of course, Brian) with a non-voting Steve Love in attendance. Jack stated that unless he had the full confidence of everyone in the band, there was no point in his continuing, and that was pretty much that. So, Carl flying to Holland in March 1973 had nothing to do with him being sacked.
As a caveat, I'll repeat what I've said about Jack down the years: he tells a good story, and some of them are even true.
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Post by petsite on Feb 17, 2020 2:00:11 GMT -5
OK, so I found it (no mean feat...) and I'll transcribe/scan it very soon, but on the topic of Jack's sacking, he told me that, living in Holland he wasn't thrilled with having to fly stateside "for the preparation of the live album", which was released November 19th 1973, so that would be late summer/early fall. Additionally there was a "crisis of confidence" between him & Carl which escalated into a full-on band meeting (minus Ricky, Blondie and, of course, Brian) with a non-voting Steve Love in attendance. Jack stated that unless he had the full confidence of everyone in the band, there was no point in his continuing, and that was pretty much that. So, Carl flying to Holland in March 1973 had nothing to do with him being sacked. As a caveat, I'll repeat what I've said about Jack down the years: he tells a good story, and some of them are even true. .....some of them are even true.
As with so many from the world of The Beach Boys
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 17, 2020 4:44:08 GMT -5
And speaking of Jack Rieley interviews. I have found several reviews on the 1975 Western Justice album, including a couple of interviews with Rieley. The Beach Boys and the Holland album are regular topics in these interviews. Even the BW/JR song Burlesque is discussed. I had just started writing and translating on the BB 1980 tour, including the The Hague concert. But I think I'll dive into those Western Justice articles first. (and no worries Mikie; I'll start a separate topic on those )
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Post by AGD on Feb 17, 2020 11:23:54 GMT -5
OK, in the end it was easiest to photo the actual pages of Stomp. Hope this is OK.
... and some thirty-seven years on, I have no idea whatsoever who Mike Gardiner was. © 1982 & 2020 Andrew G. Doe/Middlefield Media. All rights reserved, unauthorised use prohibited, if you do I'll come round to your house and pee all over your lawn. If I'm in a good mood.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 17, 2020 11:42:27 GMT -5
Good read and smart to use the camera. And a real type-written transcript. Thank you.
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Post by AGD on Feb 17, 2020 11:47:05 GMT -5
A little time capsule from 1982. This is how we disseminated info before t'interwebnet. Fanzines, snailmail & phones.
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