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Post by Jim on Feb 21, 2019 15:13:43 GMT -5
My response is... why ? To what end ? "Just because" doesn't cut it with me. The 50th succeeded beyond all reasonable expectations (the ending thereof excepted), let's leave it there. On the evidence of his recent shows, Brian wouldn't/couldn't contribute that much and I don't want to see him embarrassed any further. Plus, there's no selling point. 57th anniversary ? 50th anniversary of... leaving Capitol Records ? 45th anniversary of Endless Summer ? The chances are, it would be at best pointless, at worst a fiasco. As Mr. Goldwyn once said, gentlemen, include me out. Here's the reason why... THEY are The Beach Boys. And for the most part, they are stronger together than apart. That is why. It doesn't need to be an anniversary or this or that. The Stones still play and I'm sure people get a lot more from it than if Mick was doing a solo thing and Keith was with the X-pensive Winos. Or The Who for that matter. People like seeing Roger and Pete together. If Brian, Mike and Al are all up for it and they wanna do it, who are we to say they shouldn't? Would it ruin their legacy? I don't think so. Did 1981? Did the cheerleaders? Did the NASCAR album? Nope. None of those did. So... The only problem with that is that Mike doesn't want to do a reunion, and Brian probably doesn't either. So that's that. |
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Post by AGD on Feb 21, 2019 15:49:15 GMT -5
My response is... why ? To what end ? "Just because" doesn't cut it with me. The 50th succeeded beyond all reasonable expectations (the ending thereof excepted), let's leave it there. On the evidence of his recent shows, Brian wouldn't/couldn't contribute that much and I don't want to see him embarrassed any further. Plus, there's no selling point. 57th anniversary ? 50th anniversary of... leaving Capitol Records ? 45th anniversary of Endless Summer ? The chances are, it would be at best pointless, at worst a fiasco. As Mr. Goldwyn once said, gentlemen, include me out. Here's the reason why... THEY are The Beach Boys. And for the most part, they are stronger together than apart. That is why. It doesn't need to be an anniversary or this or that. The Stones still play and I'm sure people get a lot more from it than if Mick was doing a solo thing and Keith was with the X-pensive Winos. Or The Who for that matter. People like seeing Roger and Pete together. If Brian, Mike and Al are all up for it and they wanna do it, who are we to say they shouldn't? Would it ruin their legacy? I don't think so. Did 1981? Did the cheerleaders? Did the NASCAR album? Nope. None of those did. So... The only problem with that is that Mike doesn't want to do a reunion, and Brian probably doesn't either. So that's that. You state this as a fact: care to share your source for that ? |
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Post by Al S on Feb 21, 2019 16:29:23 GMT -5
I don’t think Brian could do it to a high standard - as the origin post posits Brian & the boys as “The Beach Boys”, then no, The Beach Boys couldn’t pull off a Celebration57.
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Post by lonesurf on Feb 21, 2019 16:33:10 GMT -5
And my response is........it's fun to dream, isn't it?  Totally agree. The passing of Peter Tork reminds me that life is very, very short. I'm seeing Mike & Micky in two weeks. I've seen them both solo, but there is so much magic when they are together. Like another band we know.  |
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Post by Mikie on Feb 21, 2019 16:52:35 GMT -5
And my response is........it's fun to dream, isn't it? Totally agree. The passing of Peter Tork reminds me that life is very, very short. I'm seeing Mike & Micky in two weeks. I've seen them both solo, but there is so much magic when they are together. Like another band we know. Yeah, can't believe Nesmith is touring at all. Too bad the 4 of them couldn't have completed just one tour together in the later years. Regarding the Beach Boys, somebody posted that Blondie be in any reunion, and I completely agree. What a good showman he is! He would have gone over real well in the C50 tour. And no brainer - Dave has to be in there too if there's any last hurrah. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 21, 2019 16:53:31 GMT -5
Here's the reason why... THEY are The Beach Boys. And for the most part, they are stronger together than apart. That is why. It doesn't need to be an anniversary or this or that. The Stones still play and I'm sure people get a lot more from it than if Mick was doing a solo thing and Keith was with the X-pensive Winos. Or The Who for that matter. People like seeing Roger and Pete together. If Brian, Mike and Al are all up for it and they wanna do it, who are we to say they shouldn't? Would it ruin their legacy? I don't think so. Did 1981? Did the cheerleaders? Did the NASCAR album? Nope. None of those did. So... The only problem with that is that Mike doesn't want to do a reunion, and Brian probably doesn't either. So that's that. You state this as a fact: care to share your source for that ? No, no. I do not. But I think his public pronouncements since 2012 tell us enough. However, if you'd like to share the information with us that he does indeed want to do a reunion, I await it with bated breath. I for one would be over the moon if he quit making excuses for not working with Brian and Al, and got back together with the guys... |
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Post by Mikie on Feb 21, 2019 16:55:30 GMT -5
I don’t think Brian could do it to a high standard - as the origin post posits Brian & the boys as “The Beach Boys”, then no, The Beach Boys couldn’t pull off a Celebration57. Very true - one of the number one things to consider for a possible reunion. If he can't cut the mustard in his solo shows, then how is he gonna do on stage with The Boys? |
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Post by Jim on Feb 21, 2019 17:07:01 GMT -5
I don’t think Brian could do it to a high standard - as the origin post posits Brian & the boys as “The Beach Boys”, then no, The Beach Boys couldn’t pull off a Celebration57. Very true - one of the number one things to consider for a possible reunion. If he can't cut the mustard in his solo shows, then how is he gonna do on stage with The Boys? I keep seeing this, and my argument is, isn't he gonna do a whole lot less heavy lifting with The Beach Boys then he would solo? Like wouldn't it be easier? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure people have their reasons. I also think a tour or even a show wouldn't happen unless they think they'll be able to put on an acceptable show. Just my opinion once again. |
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Post by John Manning on Feb 21, 2019 17:10:29 GMT -5
Very true - one of the number one things to consider for a possible reunion. If he can't cut the mustard in his solo shows, then how is he gonna do on stage with The Boys? I keep seeing this, and my argument is, isn't he gonna do a whole lot less heavy lifting with The Beach Boys then he would solo? Like wouldn't it be easier? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure people have their reasons. I also think a tour or even a show wouldn't happen unless they think they'll be able to put on an acceptable show. Just my opinion once again. He's not exactly doing much heavy lifting now. Pop him on stage with the rest of the band, he might just choose to catch a nap. I'd hope not, but… |
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Post by Mikie on Feb 21, 2019 17:34:29 GMT -5
Very true - one of the number one things to consider for a possible reunion. If he can't cut the mustard in his solo shows, then how is he gonna do on stage with The Boys? I keep seeing this, and my argument is, isn't he gonna do a whole lot less heavy lifting with The Beach Boys then he would solo? Like wouldn't it be easier? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure people have their reasons. I also think a tour or even a show wouldn't happen unless they think they'll be able to put on an acceptable show. Just my opinion once again. Doug, see John's answer to that. He doesn't do shit now, so there'd continue to be no heavy lifting for him, with exception to a few leads! And that's what would be expected from him in a Beach Boys show. Step right up - see the legendary Brian Wilson! He'd do the same or less than he did during the C50. The younger guys would hold it together like before. But if he performed the same as he did in the recent Christmas shows, would he be forgiven? The recent tour was somewhat of a downer to many people. Read the reviews.
All of this is speculation and wishful thinking anyway. It ain't gonna happen. Maybe a one or even a two-off gig, but otherwise naaaah.
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Post by AGD on Feb 21, 2019 18:05:05 GMT -5
You state this as a fact: care to share your source for that ? No, no. I do not. But I think his public pronouncements since 2012 tell us enough. However, if you'd like to share the information with us that he does indeed want to do a reunion, I await it with bated breath. I for one would be over the moon if he quit making excuses for not working with Brian and Al, and got back together with the guys... I don't have any info one way or another, thus I'm not making any such statements that I can't then back up. |
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Post by mancheeni on Feb 21, 2019 20:59:14 GMT -5
I'm sure they could all pull it off but it wouldn't top C50 and I'm not sure it would be ultimately positive to their legacy.
The last Brian performance I saw in 2016 was dismal. I doubt it's gotten better. I saw Mike last year and he's sounding rough as well. Al, David, Blondie, and the band would probably make up for it enough to sell tickets but people would catch on, and us big fans would already know enough to be bummed out.
At the most I'd be interested in a very limited run of shows where the guys are joined by their kids and the band. That could be cool.
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Post by Autotune on Feb 21, 2019 21:08:24 GMT -5
Back in 2010-2011, before C50 was announced, some fans said a reunion would be pointless. It was not. It never can be. These guys belong together, they are family, and they are legends. Their togetherness makes their and our lives more meaningful. It goes beyond artistic result and opportunity.
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Post by Cam Mott on Feb 21, 2019 22:26:41 GMT -5
I don't think the general public expects so much from legacy band's. It is built in that they are going to be old and sound old and the ol' gray mares ain't what they used to be and a bunch of unfamilar younger guys are going to do the heavy lifting.
That's why uber fans are always whining about destroying the legacy but none of it causes even a scratch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 22:27:16 GMT -5
Brian could get some needed rest, some physical therapy for his back and knees, maybe have his meds tweaked, and just basically recharge - and he might get into condition for an extended tour with less...responsibilities. However, you can't fight Father Time and that might be what he's up against now.
While I'll always hold out SOME HOPE that Brian would join the group for a reunion tour, it's getting to the point in his career and life that I'm not really expecting it anymore. I was one of those who DID predict that C50 would happen and be successful. I think it's possible to happen and be successful again, but now I would consider it a long shot. That being said, something positive could come out of it, but also something that is very frustrating.
What if The Beach Boys reunited without Brian Wilson? A touring Beach Boys without Brian Wilson is certainly not unheard of or unexpected. On the contrary, going by past history, it is the norm! That being said, the potential version of these "Beach Boys" - Mike, Al, Bruce, David, and Blondie - would make any reunion tour successful. And that's what is both positive and frustrating. Let's be honest, even though Brian Wilson joined the tour in 2012, how many people really expected it/him to continue after 2012? You kind of knew it wasn't feasible, for MANY reasons, for Brian to continue as a full-time touring Beach Boy. Now with that other proposed lineup of Mike, Al, Bruce, David, and Blondie, you think, "Damn, that would be a cool version of The Beach Boys to get together and continue on." Wouldn't it? Especially since Brian's touring days might be numbered. What's Al and Blondie gonna do then? It would be positive to get those guys together and carry on as The Beach Boys. The frustrating aspect is that I'll bet those guys could work together, and might WANT to work together, if it could be worked out. That's a big "if". A gigantic one. But think about it...
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Post by Jim on Feb 21, 2019 22:35:25 GMT -5
No, no. I do not. But I think his public pronouncements since 2012 tell us enough. However, if you'd like to share the information with us that he does indeed want to do a reunion, I await it with bated breath. I for one would be over the moon if he quit making excuses for not working with Brian and Al, and got back together with the guys... I don't have any info one way or another, thus I'm not making any such statements that I can't then back up. Surely you aren't saying I am making a statement that I can't back up? By the way Mr. Doe, I do apologize if something that I have said or done has rubbed you the wrong way. I just hope at some point we can engage on something other than semantics. So to that end, why do you think a Beach Boys reunion would be pointless? Are the Rolling Stones current album and touring pointless? Is Pete Townshend recording the new Who album and going out on yet another tour with Roger later this year pointless? I don't think so! I don't think there has to be an event or a certain anniversary that says the guys should come back together. These guys won't be here on earth forever, and if Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and Mike Love wanna get together and do it again, who would we be to say it's pointless!? Once again, your mileage may vary, and as a member of the public, we are not forced to buy tickets or albums. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 21, 2019 22:41:48 GMT -5
Brian could get some needed rest, some physical therapy for his back and knees, maybe have his meds tweaked, and just basically recharge - and he might get into condition for an extended tour with less...responsibilities. However, you can't fight Father Time and that might be what he's up against now.
While I'll always hold out SOME HOPE that Brian would join the group for a reunion tour, it's getting to the point in his career and life that I'm not really expecting it anymore. I was one of those who DID predict that C50 would happen and be successful. I think it's possible to happen and be successful again, but now I would consider it a long shot. That being said, something positive could come out of it, but also something that is very frustrating.
What if The Beach Boys reunited without Brian Wilson? A touring Beach Boys without Brian Wilson is certainly not unheard of or unexpected. On the contrary, going by past history, it is the norm! That being said, the potential version of these "Beach Boys" - Mike, Al, Bruce, David, and Blondie - would make any reunion tour successful. And that's what is both positive and frustrating. Let's be honest, even though Brian Wilson joined the tour in 2012, how many people really expected it/him to continue after 2012? You kind of knew it wasn't feasible, for MANY reasons, for Brian to continue as a full-time touring Beach Boy. Now with that other proposed lineup of Mike, Al, Bruce, David, and Blondie, you think, "Damn, that would be a cool version of The Beach Boys to get together and continue on." Wouldn't it? Especially since Brian's touring days might be numbered. What's Al and Blondie gonna do then? It would be positive to get those guys together and carry on as The Beach Boys. The frustrating aspect is that I'll bet those guys could work together, and might WANT to work together, if it could be worked out. That's a big "if". A gigantic one. But think about it...
I totally understand what you're saying... But here's the thing...why would Mike Love wanna do this? Why would he wanna add on Al, who it seems he still doesn't get along with fully, and Blondie, with whom I think it's fair to say his next to no relationship with Mike Love, and who also has had some less than flattering words to say about Mike over the years? I personally think for The Beach Boys brand (don't like using that word, but it is what it is) what you say would be interesting, but fiscally I can't see Mike truly considering it for more than ten seconds. |
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Post by g00dvibrations on Feb 22, 2019 2:50:26 GMT -5
This is one of those threads that makes me believe people here think too much about things.
Could they tour - they already tour seperately so yes?
Legacy - I think people on here and the other forums are the only one concerned with such things, as its basically secured. A mediocre tour isn't going to make people go "God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, what a load of rubbish"
Does Mike/Al/Bruce/Brian/Blondie/Al's Dog/Jeff/the lighting guy want to do it? You probably don't actually know. If you did know, you probably wouldn't be sharing it here. Just basing your hot take off an interview Mike gave to the "Averagetown Gazette" doesn't count as knowing his mind.
Also, if C50 was 2012, then 2020 would be C58, not C57. That's just maths.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 22, 2019 4:45:53 GMT -5
Another stone to throw in the pot:
A few of us agree BW’s role might be best at home in the studio.
In which case it’d be more like Al and Blondie tagging on to Mike’s tour. Which wouldn’t be the big shake we’re all (most?) hoping for, publicity wise.
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Post by kds on Feb 22, 2019 8:48:55 GMT -5
This is one of those threads that makes me believe people here think too much about things. Could they tour - they already tour seperately so yes? Legacy - I think people on here and the other forums are the only one concerned with such things, as its basically secured. A mediocre tour isn't going to make people go "God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, what a load of rubbish" Does Mike/Al/Bruce/Brian/Blondie/Al's Dog/Jeff/the lighting guy want to do it? You probably don't actually know. If you did know, you probably wouldn't be sharing it here. Just basing your hot take off an interview Mike gave to the "Averagetown Gazette" doesn't count as knowing his mind. Also, if C50 was 2012, then 2020 would be C58, not C57. That's just maths. The whole legacy thing never fails to get a laugh from me. As if an appearance on Full House, the SIP album, or Mark McGrath appearing on a lame remake of a classic somehow tarnishes what The Beach Boys did in the 60s and 70s. I don't even think a BB reunion tour in 2020 (or whenever) would be mediocre. As has been pointed out, Brian wouldn't be doing a lot of leads. Whatever musicians they bring on the touring lineup would surely knock the songs out of the park. |
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 22, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -5
Back in 2010-2011, before C50 was announced, some fans said a reunion would be pointless. It was not. It never can be. These guys belong together, they are family, and they are legends. Their togetherness makes their and our lives more meaningful. It goes beyond artistic result and opportunity. This, only this...if you are patient, always expect a nice BB surprise. |
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 22, 2019 8:53:46 GMT -5
This is one of those threads that makes me believe people here think too much about things. Could they tour - they already tour seperately so yes? Legacy - I think people on here and the other forums are the only one concerned with such things, as its basically secured. A mediocre tour isn't going to make people go "God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, what a load of rubbish" Does Mike/Al/Bruce/Brian/Blondie/Al's Dog/Jeff/the lighting guy want to do it? You probably don't actually know. If you did know, you probably wouldn't be sharing it here. Just basing your hot take off an interview Mike gave to the "Averagetown Gazette" doesn't count as knowing his mind. Also, if C50 was 2012, then 2020 would be C58, not C57. That's just maths. The whole legacy thing never fails to get a laugh from me. As if an appearance on Full House, the SIP album, or Mark McGrath appearing on a lame remake of a classic somehow tarnishes what The Beach Boys did in the 60s and 70s. I don't even think a BB reunion tour in 2020 (or whenever) would be mediocre. As has been pointed out, Brian wouldn't be doing a lot of leads. Whatever musicians they bring on the touring lineup would surely knock the songs out of the park. Legacy - it is the dumbest argument on the planet. Incidentally, as a result of looking at emdeeh's post about the CWF and the guesting of dearest Peter Tork, is a photo of McGrath after having done DIA at the memorial event for Carl. It is a really poor argument - this "legacy"nonsense. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 22, 2019 9:31:47 GMT -5
The whole legacy thing never fails to get a laugh from me. As if an appearance on Full House, the SIP album, or Mark McGrath appearing on a lame remake of a classic somehow tarnishes what The Beach Boys did in the 60s and 70s. At least in my case I think the whole legacy thing kinda has a basic misunderstanding from most people. Obviously no amount of cheesiness or goofiness or lame taste will probably truly effect how people look back upon The Beach Boys. And secondly, most of us won't be here when that "book" is being written. Now, on the other hand I do think that going out how they did after C50 does kinda play into the "bickering Beach Boys" thing, just as last year's firing of Lindsey Buckingham plays into the totally nutso Fleetwood Mac narrative. And even Lindsey himself (who I'm hoping is recovering nicely from his open heart surgery) has basically said how it is disappointing that their legacy isn't one of persevering through strife, but instead breaking up a 43-year legacy. Now will Rumours or Tusk or Tango In The Night be affected by this? No. The music is still there. But at least to Lindsey, he thinks Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks decision will put a little dent in the Fleetwood Mac legacy. And like Lindsey, I do find it disappointing that my favorite groups can't find a way to get along. But I also recognize this is the real world and sometimes people can't find a way to work together, and therefore it is for the best that they go their own ways. |
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 22, 2019 9:39:18 GMT -5
This is one of those threads where people eternally disagree because they're responding to different questions: - Are the surviving Beach Boys capable of performing their music live at a reasonably high level? - Would a(nother) Beach Boys reunion be a major commercial draw? - Do I think it would be beneficial for their peace of mind and familial relations to reunite? - Does seeing the band back together somehow give me peace of mind and happiness (beyond the enjoyment of the music)? - Is it likely that the Beach Boys will reunite and tour? - Do I have any real insight to offer on anything beyond my opinion or tastes?
So it's "no, because Brian will just end up sitting there like a zombie!" And it's "yes, because all Brian has to do is sit there like a zombie!" And so on.
Anyway, carry on. I can only hope the legacy will survive the thread. (It's in such peril.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 10:01:30 GMT -5
I think when you're discussing The Beach Boys' legacy, you have to be somewhat specific. Using a sports analogy, there are on-court issues and off-court issues, or on-field issues and off-field issues.
The on-court issues with The Beach Boys would relate to their musical legacy. I agree that it's pretty hard if not impossible to tarnish that legacy. The music from the 1960's and 1970's has cemented that musical legacy, and any subpar or cheesy recordings from subsequent decades isn't going to affect it. Those...maybe embarrassing releases...will be dismissed and mostly forgotten.
The off-court issues with The Beach Boys would have to do with their conduct, relationships, and things that are outside the musical scope. Parental abuse, drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, lawsuits, separations, firings, financial disputes, and just overall inter-group turmoil would fall into that legacy. Now, that legacy is somewhat more ongoing than the musical legacy and is still subject to change or to be added to. Things like the C50 ending controversy, Brian blaming Mike for the collapse of SMiLE in documentaries, autobiographies/books that continue to be written, negative comments from Mike in interviews, and just the fact that Mike and Brian have separate careers add to that part of The Beach Boys' legacy. And that's the sad part of the story. While the musical legacy of The Beach Boys will be overwhelming positive and full of good feelings and joy, the other legacy, the personal side if you will, will unfortunately be dominated with sad, tragic, and negative stories. And I'm not sure there won't be more.
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