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Post by Matt H on May 24, 2024 12:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by jk on May 24, 2024 12:29:56 GMT -5
You're welcome. Actually I was on the point of giving up when found this great BB-related page on YT. And there it was. But what's with Gettin' In Over My Head? I fail to understand what makes it so special as to render it unavailable anywhere online -- it's not that special, surely?  |
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Post by nts1drums on May 25, 2024 7:34:22 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman:
1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album
2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low.
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Post by jk on May 26, 2024 4:14:28 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. In lieu of a more educated answer, I don't hear the distant voice in any of the versions I've listened to. Is it possible to upload the mix in question? |
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Post by Micha on May 27, 2024 5:32:17 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. 1. Must be the bee from Wild Honey. It's on one of the WH tracks too. 2. Seems I'm too old now after all, can't hear it. |
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Post by AGD on May 27, 2024 6:23:41 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. So... listened to it on CD, streaming, vinyl, hell, I even travelled back in time to May 16th 1968 and listened to the original master when they assembled it at ID Sound. Can't hear either of these things. Maybe the guy who mixed it might know? |
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Post by felipe on May 27, 2024 13:50:42 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. 1. the buzz is coming from the backing vocals channel (centered in the original mix and panned in the alternate). Sounds like static from some bad connection... it's way less noticeable in the bass heavy original master. 2. It comes from left channel and, as lead and backing vocals are centered, probably it's something Brian hummed during the backing track session... |
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Post by nts1drums on May 27, 2024 14:43:59 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. In lieu of a more educated answer, I don't hear the distant voice in any of the versions I've listened to. Is it possible to upload the mix in question? Ofc! |
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Post by nts1drums on May 27, 2024 14:44:52 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. 1. the buzz is coming from the backing vocals channel (centered in the original mix and panned in the alternate). Sounds like static from some bad connection... it's way less noticeable in the bass heavy original master. 2. It comes from left channel and, as lead and backing vocals are centered, probably it's something Brian hummed during the backing track session... Ooh that would make more sense, thanks for both of those! |
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Post by jay on May 27, 2024 15:47:09 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if it’s already been brought up before, but I noticed two things during a listen of the classic When a Man Needs a Woman: 1. There’s this buzzing noise that’s pretty prominent in the center channel (and even more obvious in the alternate version). Did something go wrong when the group were doing the vocals? I’m assuming that’s where it comes from since the vocals are almost always centered in the stereo mix for the Friends album 2. During the last verse, there’s this distant voice behind Brian. What is that?? It’s only in the original mix and it sounds like a vocal that’s meant to be a response or something but it got mixed way low. 1. the buzz is coming from the backing vocals channel (centered in the original mix and panned in the alternate). Sounds like static from some bad connection... it's way less noticeable in the bass heavy original master. 2. It comes from left channel and, as lead and backing vocals are centered, probably it's something Brian hummed during the backing track session... The buzz/distortion is more audible on the outtake. Given the fact that it's even on that version seems to indicate it was some kind of defect in the equipment being used for the actual session. I've listened closely and I can't for the life of me hear the second one at all. What an odd little song.... |
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Post by felipe on May 27, 2024 22:52:13 GMT -5
I've listened closely and I can't for the life of me hear the second one at all. Brian humming the melody on the left channel between 1:42s and 1:44s do you guys think WAMNAW could have influenced this song? or were both influenced by another? |
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Post by AGD on May 28, 2024 2:19:10 GMT -5
Nope: "Raindrops" was specifically written for the 1969 Butch Cassidy... movie. I very much doubt Burt or Hal had heard the Friends album.
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Post by doinnothin on May 28, 2024 15:47:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know who "Peaches Marion Book" is? I was reading Deana Martin's (Dean Martin's daughter) testimony in the Tex Watson trial (one of the Manson family), and she mentions being at a party at Dennis Wilson's in July or October of 1968 with "Peaches Marion Book" (as well as Terry Melcher, Gregg Jakobson, and others), and it tracks for being around the time when Dennis recorded the 20/20-era demo/outtake "Peaches" (August 29, 1968), so I obviously wondered if she was the inspiration. From the testimony via www.cielodrive.com/deana-martin-trial-testimony.phpQ: And were you ever at Mr. Wilson’s residence at 14400 Sunset Boulevard in West Los Angeles? A: Yes. Q: Near Will Rogers Park? A: Yes. Q: And did you ever attend a party at Mr. Wilson’s residence in July of 1968? A: I am not sure if it was July or October, but I was there at a party, yes. Q: And who was at the party with you? A: Terry Melcher, Allen Warrnick, Annie Marshal, Gwen Wells, Peaches Marion Book, B-o-o-k -- did I say Gwen Wells? THE COURT: Yes, you did. THE WITNESS: And Dean Moorehouse and Greg Jacobson. Anyone have any info on her? Some of the names get misspelled by the stenographer so it could be Marianne or something instead of Marion. |
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Post by Tilt Araiza on May 28, 2024 16:41:01 GMT -5
Is there some sort of logo somewhere for the BBC2 studio in Holland? I'd like it for the mp3 tags for some of the Holland outtakes.
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Post by nts1drums on May 28, 2024 18:51:00 GMT -5
Just noticed this yesterday on Be With Me and tried to point this out in chats:
Are Dennis and Al both singing “everything we will see everything we will be, be with me” in the song? On the right channel I think it’s 100% someone who isn’t Dennis singing that with him. If so I consider that a co-lead lol
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Post by dauber on May 29, 2024 10:38:37 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest; I don't know if what I'm posting here is technically on-topic, but I didn't want to start a whole new thread about it, and there isn't a thread in the Box Sets / Compilations forum...
I rarely listen to the version of Pet Sounds that's twofered with So Tough -- because I personally think it sounds like total trash; I don't know why it's considered to be the best. Hell, the green-label reissue blows it away.
But I am just now in the last few weeks noticing that that same master of Pet Sounds as included in the 50th anniversary set....is a farkin' needle drop. And they didn't make the slightest effort to hide it. Shirley I can't be the only one who's noticed??
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Post by Matt H on May 30, 2024 8:54:18 GMT -5
Has Mike ever mentioned why he changed the lyrics to Getcha Back on Unleash The Love? Just curious.
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Post by barto2 on May 30, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -5
I may have asked this before so I apologize if any redundancy.
Why is it that there are some incredible stereo mixes of some early Beach boys works but not others? The Summer Love Songs comp for example has an immaculate stereo mix of Girls on the Beach. But I've never been able to find anything close to that quality for tracks like Be True to Your School or Help Me Rhonda.
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Post by nts1drums on May 30, 2024 10:54:53 GMT -5
I may have asked this before so I apologize if any redundancy. Why is it that there are some incredible stereo mixes of some early Beach boys works but not others? The Summer Love Songs comp for example has an immaculate stereo mix of Girls on the Beach. But I've never been able to find anything close to that quality for tracks like Be True to Your School or Help Me Rhonda. Be True to your school multitracks are completely lost, help me Rhonda I think has some parts dubbed down straight to mono during mixdown so they don’t have their own tape. Thus there can’t be any true stereo mix of either without some trickery. |
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Post by danlega on May 30, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest; I don't know if what I'm posting here is technically on-topic, but I didn't want to start a whole new thread about it, and there isn't a thread in the Box Sets / Compilations forum...
I rarely listen to the version of Pet Sounds that's twofered with So Tough -- because I personally think it sounds like total trash; I don't know why it's considered to be the best. Hell, the green-label reissue blows it away.
But I am just now in the last few weeks noticing that that same master of Pet Sounds as included in the 50th anniversary set....is a farkin' needle drop. And they didn't make the slightest effort to hide it. Shirley I can't be the only one who's noticed??
Sean, so you're saying that the 5 CD 50th anniversary Pet Sounds set has a version of the album Pet Sounds that is recorded from playing an LP of Pet Sounds from the original So Tough/Pet Sounds two LP set?! Now why would they do that? There'd be no reason to do that. They had a CD version from the original Pet Sounds box set. Surely they'd just use that, unless they were going to start from scratch again and use the original tapes or original digital files to remaster it. So what is it about the recording that makes you believe they recorded an old LP to release as a CD in the 50th anniversary box set? Love and merci, Dan Lega |
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Post by barto2 on May 30, 2024 12:55:08 GMT -5
I may have asked this before so I apologize if any redundancy. Why is it that there are some incredible stereo mixes of some early Beach boys works but not others? The Summer Love Songs comp for example has an immaculate stereo mix of Girls on the Beach. But I've never been able to find anything close to that quality for tracks like Be True to Your School or Help Me Rhonda. Be True to your school multitracks are completely lost, help me Rhonda I think has some parts dubbed down straight to mono during mixdown so they don’t have their own tape. Thus there can’t be any true stereo mix of either without some trickery. Got it, so it's about whether the original multi tracks are lost or intact. Makes sense to me. What a shame that we don't have them all (though understandable given the technology at the time) |
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Post by dauber on May 30, 2024 21:05:31 GMT -5
Sean, so you're saying that the 5 CD 50th anniversary Pet Sounds set has a version of the album Pet Sounds that is recorded from playing an LP of Pet Sounds from the original So Tough/Pet Sounds two LP set?! Now why would they do that? There'd be no reason to do that. They had a CD version from the original Pet Sounds box set. Surely they'd just use that, unless they were going to start from scratch again and use the original tapes or original digital files to remaster it. So what is it about the recording that makes you believe they recorded an old LP to release as a CD in the 50th anniversary box set?
It was claimed to be the 1972 master. None of the previous CDs used the 1972 version.
What makes me believe they recorded an old LP to release as a CD? Well...partly because there are actually seconds of surface noise -- stylus crackling and such -- before the music starts. It's clearly taken from a record. They didn't de-click it or *anything*. Well, okay, maybe they didn't make that CD from a record -- maybe they did go back to the 1972 tape and artificially added scratchy vinyl noise.
Sample is attached here. The music doesn't even start until 8.5 seconds into the track. You can literally hear the needle drop, followed by some crackling.
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Post by danlega on May 30, 2024 22:11:34 GMT -5
Sean, so you're saying that the 5 CD 50th anniversary Pet Sounds set has a version of the album Pet Sounds that is recorded from playing an LP of Pet Sounds from the original So Tough/Pet Sounds two LP set?! Now why would they do that? There'd be no reason to do that. They had a CD version from the original Pet Sounds box set. Surely they'd just use that, unless they were going to start from scratch again and use the original tapes or original digital files to remaster it. So what is it about the recording that makes you believe they recorded an old LP to release as a CD in the 50th anniversary box set?
It was claimed to be the 1972 master. None of the previous CDs used the 1972 version.
What makes me believe they recorded an old LP to release as a CD? Well...partly because there are actually seconds of surface noise -- stylus crackling and such -- before the music starts. It's clearly taken from a record. They didn't de-click it or *anything*. Well, okay, maybe they didn't make that CD from a record -- maybe they did go back to the 1972 tape and artificially added scratchy vinyl noise.
Sample is attached here. The music doesn't even start until 8.5 seconds into the track. You can literally hear the needle drop, followed by some crackling.
Wow! Okay... You've definitely got some evidence there! Now surely there's someone on this board who can directly ask Mark Linnet or Alan Boyd about this?! |
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Post by dauber on May 31, 2024 8:48:10 GMT -5
Be True to your school multitracks are completely lost, help me Rhonda I think has some parts dubbed down straight to mono during mixdown so they don’t have their own tape. Thus there can’t be any true stereo mix of either without some trickery. Got it, so it's about whether the original multi tracks are lost or intact. Makes sense to me. What a shame that we don't have them all (though understandable given the technology at the time)
I don't know if it's so much technology as it is policy, habits, and record keeping.
Take, for example, The Beatles. Their 1962 twin-track recordings are gone. EMI's policy was to not keep tapes once the masters were made. That changed in 1963. Pretty much everything The Beatles recorded starting in 1963 still exists. (One major exception: the twin-track session tapes of "She Loves You" and "I'll Get You" -- depending on whose story is true, those tapes were lost, stolen, or recorded over.)
But when we're talking about The Beach Boys, there's so much at play. They recorded at so many studios -- Capitol, Western, Gold Star, Columbia, Wally Heider, Brother, etc. -- that just keeping the tapes in a central location could be a challenge. And I believe Brian would literally give some session tapes away once they got the mastering done. (IINM, that's what happened with most of the Shut Down Volume 2 session tapes.) Plus, Brian (and possibly the other Beach Boys) were not good at record keeping and labeling. (Case in point: those five takes of "Surf's Up" on the reel containing "Country Air" sessions.) And according to the guys on the Sail On podcast, the source the version of "I Get Around" that's used on Beach Boys Concert, Brian actually overdubbed audience noises to the original multitrack of "I Get Around," wiping out a track or two in the process, so apparently the complete multitracks for that song are not intact either, preventing a 100% true stereo "I Get Around" from happening without some technical wizardry.
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Post by barto2 on May 31, 2024 18:55:09 GMT -5
Thanks for your response! I agree and sorry if I was unclear, but the difficulty of both quantity and quality in terms of archiving tape recordings was what I was referring to. Today artists can instantly store thousands of tracks in thousands of places. You don't have to risk someone irresponsible running off with it lol
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