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Post by ian on Feb 8, 2024 21:48:55 GMT -5
Actually I think the musicians who played with the BBs are probably listed in the 1969 European tour program but I don’t recall if I have that info somewhere….
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Post by jk on Feb 9, 2024 5:12:29 GMT -5
Actually I think the musicians who played with the BBs are probably listed in the 1969 European tour program but I don’t recall if I have that info somewhere…. OK, thanks. I looked around just for good measure but didn't find anything. Maybe something will turn up on eBay some time...
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 9, 2024 5:57:44 GMT -5
Actually I think the musicians who played with the BBs are probably listed in the 1969 European tour program but I don’t recall if I have that info somewhere…. Ah, you're referring to a Dutch 1968 program we talked about in the past. I only have a low-res scan of that one. Here's a cut out of that program: What I can read, is (see scan below): The Beach Boys are supported by an American-English group, consisting of: CHRISTOPHER THOMPSON - trumpet (in Dutch: trompet)NEIL PALMER - trumpet NIGEL ?SIMON? - trombone NEIL LANCASTER - ? ? DEREK HUDSON - ? ? (might be bariton sax)DOUG DRAGON - piano and organ (in Dutch: piano en orgel)MICHAEL KOWALSKI - guitar (in Dutch: gitaar)EDWARD CARTER - drums and tambourine (in Dutch: drums en tamboerijn)My guess is, that the horn section is the British part of this group of supporting musicians (and obviously Dragon/Kowalski/Carter are American). The listing of Doug Dragon - Daryl’s brother - is probably an error though. He did fill in for Daryl on a bunch of tours in 1968-69 but we're pretty sure that Daryl was on the 1968 European tour.
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Post by AGD on Feb 9, 2024 6:53:57 GMT -5
They've also switched instruments on Ed Carter & Mike Kowalski. 🙂
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Post by jk on Feb 9, 2024 7:35:29 GMT -5
What I can read, is (see scan below): The Beach Boys are supported by an American-English group, consisting of: CHRISTOPHER THOMPSON - trumpet (in Dutch: trompet)NEIL PALMER - trumpet NIGEL ?SIMON? - trombone NEIL LANCASTER - ? ?
DEREK HUDSON - ? ? (might be bariton sax)My guess is, that the horn section is the British part of this group of supporting musicians (and obviously Dragon/Kowalski/Carter are American). Looks to me like tenor sax for Lancaster and, as you say, bari for Hudson. Might be Nigel Smith...
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 9, 2024 7:37:41 GMT -5
They've also switched instruments on Ed Carter & Mike Kowalski. 🙂 I typed this down so quickly, I actually missed that. It is mentioned like that though - so a 2nd error. Hopefully the other names/instruments are correct though.
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Post by SMiLE-Holland on Feb 9, 2024 7:47:43 GMT -5
What I can read, is (see scan below): The Beach Boys are supported by an American-English group, consisting of: CHRISTOPHER THOMPSON - trumpet (in Dutch: trompet)NEIL PALMER - trumpet NIGEL ?SIMON? - trombone NEIL LANCASTER - ? ?
DEREK HUDSON - ? ? (might be bariton sax)My guess is, that the horn section is the British part of this group of supporting musicians (and obviously Dragon/Kowalski/Carter are American). The listing of Doug Dragon - Daryl’s brother - is probably an error though. He did fill in for Daryl on a bunch of tours in 1968-69 but we're pretty sure that Daryl was on the 1968 European tour. Aha? What about those two? Just googled a bit. There is a Neil Lancaster, described as "Singer-songwriter and musician", from the UK. But if those are the same guy, no clue.
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Post by jk on Feb 9, 2024 8:22:29 GMT -5
Aha? What about those two? Just googled a bit. There is a Neil Lancaster, described as "Singer-songwriter and musician", from the UK. But if those are the same guy, no clue. There's a Neil Lancaster who sang background vocals on the original recording of Jesus Christ Superstar, maybe the same singer-songwriter. Of course they might have got the first name wrong -- there's another Neil in the Dutch list...
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Post by ian on Feb 9, 2024 12:42:23 GMT -5
I realized that I didn’t have that information in my book but I assumed it was printed in the tour program in 1969. Surprised that the orchestra wasn’t given credit. If I was playing with them, I’d be annoyed
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Post by ian on Feb 9, 2024 12:46:08 GMT -5
It’s quite possible the same people who played brass on the 68 tour were also on the 69 tour but without credits we can’t say that the lineup was exactly the same
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Post by Mikie on Feb 9, 2024 12:49:27 GMT -5
I thought Mike Kowalski only played drums. And Ed Carter on guitar/bass.
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Post by AGD on Feb 9, 2024 13:07:25 GMT -5
**koff** see post 1328.
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Post by Micha on Feb 19, 2024 15:39:40 GMT -5
On the Bicycle Rider chant of DYLW, who does the ba-ba-ba-baba-ba-baba? (The melody that later was used by Kiss for "I was made for loving you".) Sounds like Al to me, but I think I read somewhere it's all Brian.
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Post by WillJC on Feb 19, 2024 16:07:50 GMT -5
On the Bicycle Rider chant of DYLW, who does the ba-ba-ba-baba-ba-baba? (The melody that later was used by Kiss for "I was made for loving you".) Sounds like Al to me, but I think I read somewhere it's all Brian. Al and Brian in unison on one tape, then re-recorded by Brian alone later down the line. It's different in different mixes depending on the source.
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Post by nts1drums on Feb 20, 2024 8:02:47 GMT -5
Been listening to a lot of LA lately and I’ve been wondering again about Brian’s contributions to that album. What I’ve gotten so far is this:
Good Timin’ (piano, harpsichord, organ, all done previously in the Caribou sessions from 1974)
Angel Come Home (backing vocals in pre-choruses, named specifically on track sheet)
Shortenin Bread (piano, Moog bass, backing vocals in chorus)
Is that it, or did Brian do anything else? I know the ESQ mentioned he may possibly be on Lady Lynda but I’m unsure of that one.
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Post by celticsurfer on Feb 22, 2024 7:51:55 GMT -5
Just found that on the web about Wildfire (California band):
It was time to cut a demo album and you began in California at The Beach Boy’s recording studio, putting down bass and guitar tracks. Guitarist Randy Love is Beach Boys’ Mike Love’s cousin. What’s the story behind making your album?
As far as recording, we were invited to several recording studio’s. But we were not happy on the offer. Then one day Mike Love came to see us play and invited us to have dinner with him in LA and said “Hey come to our studio and lay down some tracks”. It wasn’t guitar and bass we did, it was drums and bass I remember that well cause in the drum booth they had only one mic and the sound from that one mic blew me away!!! When we were done with just doing that Carl Wilson took us into the office and said he would really like to do something with us but couldn’t till he got back from a tour with the Beach Boys and then a few days later our manager Robbie talked us into going to Austin, Texas to Sonobeat Records to record the album which was for demo purpose only at the time.
Should have happened around 1968.(May be Stephen Desper remember that event)
In another article, I read that Randy Love played in the BBs backing band after Carl's passing
I never heard of those facts;
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Post by dauber on Mar 5, 2024 8:43:28 GMT -5
Been trying to find Jack Rieley's explanation as to who wrote the "A children's song..." lyrics at the end of "Surf's Up." I seem to remember someone posting what he said on PSML -- something like "Brian didn't write them. Van Dyke didn't write them. Al didn't write them. That's all I will say." Anybody have that actual quote??
EDIT: found it!
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Subject: RE: SURF:S UP From: dave prokopy To: pet-sounds@lists.primenet.com Sent: Thursday, October 17, 1996 1:39 PM
> The couplet was written during the recording of the moving > backgrounds for the Surfs Up album.
by whom? you? brian? carl? al? van dyke?
(sorry to pester you about this - as many people on this list know, i'm a HUGE Smile fanatic, so these little tidbits are indespensible to me!)
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Subject: RE: SURF:S UP From: Jack Rieley To: pet-sounds@lists.primenet.com Date: Oct 17 1996 - 1:47pm
Dave,
There's no writer's credit officially given, so I am somewhat reticent about this question. How about this.... it was not Brian, Carl, Jardine, Love, Johnston, Van Dyke Parks, Dennis or Steve Desper.
Perhaps you will excuse this admittedly chicken-sh*t way around your question. The couplet's authorship should of course have been credited. It was not.
- Jack
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Post by AGD on Mar 12, 2024 4:22:07 GMT -5
This just popped into my head, as many things do: does anyone know the layout of 3701 W 119th Street... or indeed any BB house?
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 12, 2024 6:26:56 GMT -5
This just popped into my head, as many things do: does anyone know the layout of 3701 W 119th Street... or indeed any BB house? Andrew - the Hawthorne building department should have plans on file. The fire department could also have access to them as well and maybe the tax assessors office might have a layout as well as the registry of deeds for the county might have a plot plan (just a sketch of the house and where it is in relation to the plot of land on which it sits (or formerly sat.)
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Post by west on Mar 16, 2024 16:33:10 GMT -5
Thinking about the Hal Blaine quote about Brian recording the Wrecking Crew 'for 20 minutes' sometimes, and other times 'four or five or six hours...', and it got me to wondering, do we have any idea what the shortest session Brian ever conducted was? I've always felt that '20 minute session' Hal talked about was just an exaggeration, but who knows? I'm sure we will never have a definite answer, but so far do we know what's been logged as their shortest session?
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Post by AGD on Mar 17, 2024 3:32:38 GMT -5
Thinking about the Hal Blaine quote about Brian recording the Wrecking Crew 'for 20 minutes' sometimes, and other times 'four or five or six hours...', and it got me to wondering, do we have any idea what the shortest session Brian ever conducted was? I've always felt that '20 minute session' Hal talked about was just an exaggeration, but who knows? I'm sure we will never have a definite answer, but so far do we know what's been logged as their shortest session? Might be the December 22nd 1965 session for Billy Strange's 12-string overdub on "SJB". Let the man himself tell the tale: "I had just gotten a divorce, and I had my son one day a month. Brian called me on that Sunday. I had gone to pick up my son, and he tracked me down at my ex-wife's house in the Hollywood Hills. He said, 'You gotta come to Western 3 right now and listen to this right now and see if there's something you can do on it'. I said, 'I have my son, and I don't have a guitar.' He said, 'Don't worry about it.' So we went there, and he played it for me. It was 'Sloop John B.' He said 'What I need is an electric 12-string guitar solo right here.' I said, 'Brian, I don't even own an electric 12-string.' 'So he called Glenn Wallichs at home, the owner of Wallichs Music City and he sent somebody down to the music store. [Wallichs was one of the founders of Capitol Records; his store was located on the northwest corner of Sunset and Vine] They opened the store up, got a Fender 12-string and a Fender Twin amplifier, brought it to the studio. I tuned it up. I made one pass at this thing, it was either eight or sixteen bars, and Brian was happy with it. He said 'That's it.' He reached into his pocket and pulled out a wad of bills and gave me $500 and said 'Don't forget to take your guitar and amplifier.' That's the kind of guy he was." Small snag with Billy's recollection: 12/22 in 1965 was a Wednesday.
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Post by jk on Mar 17, 2024 17:44:37 GMT -5
Thinking about the Hal Blaine quote about Brian recording the Wrecking Crew 'for 20 minutes' sometimes, and other times 'four or five or six hours...', and it got me to wondering, do we have any idea what the shortest session Brian ever conducted was? I've always felt that '20 minute session' Hal talked about was just an exaggeration, but who knows? I'm sure we will never have a definite answer, but so far do we know what's been logged as their shortest session? Might be the December 22nd 1965 session for Billy Strange's 12-string overdub on "SJB". That was my first thought too. But the fact that Brian got Billy to listen to the rough recording first before ordering and getting the 12-string to make the overdub made me feel the "session" might have been too long to qualify.
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Post by west on Mar 17, 2024 19:22:13 GMT -5
Thinking about the Hal Blaine quote about Brian recording the Wrecking Crew 'for 20 minutes' sometimes, and other times 'four or five or six hours...', and it got me to wondering, do we have any idea what the shortest session Brian ever conducted was? I've always felt that '20 minute session' Hal talked about was just an exaggeration, but who knows? I'm sure we will never have a definite answer, but so far do we know what's been logged as their shortest session? Might be the December 22nd 1965 session for Billy Strange's 12-string overdub on "SJB". Let the man himself tell the tale: "I had just gotten a divorce, and I had my son one day a month. Brian called me on that Sunday. I had gone to pick up my son, and he tracked me down at my ex-wife's house in the Hollywood Hills. He said, 'You gotta come to Western 3 right now and listen to this right now and see if there's something you can do on it'. I said, 'I have my son, and I don't have a guitar.' He said, 'Don't worry about it.' So we went there, and he played it for me. It was 'Sloop John B.' He said 'What I need is an electric 12-string guitar solo right here.' I said, 'Brian, I don't even own an electric 12-string.' 'So he called Glenn Wallichs at home, the owner of Wallichs Music City and he sent somebody down to the music store. [Wallichs was one of the founders of Capitol Records; his store was located on the northwest corner of Sunset and Vine] They opened the store up, got a Fender 12-string and a Fender Twin amplifier, brought it to the studio. I tuned it up. I made one pass at this thing, it was either eight or sixteen bars, and Brian was happy with it. He said 'That's it.' He reached into his pocket and pulled out a wad of bills and gave me $500 and said 'Don't forget to take your guitar and amplifier.' That's the kind of guy he was." Small snag with Billy's recollection: 12/22 in 1965 was a Wednesday. Thank you, Mr. Doe. This has to be the shortest session with any Wrecking Crew member that we know of. I'm surprised I forgot about it. That quote from Hal, I've never tried to take it too literally; he may have just been trying to further the narrative of Brian being eccentric for the documentaries. Or maybe he was referring to any session that Brian cancelled. I've heard various times of Brian cancelling a session shortly after arrival due to 'the vibrations weren't right' or something to that effect. Has there ever been any validity for that story?
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Mar 18, 2024 3:56:07 GMT -5
Might be the December 22nd 1965 session for Billy Strange's 12-string overdub on "SJB". Let the man himself tell the tale: "I had just gotten a divorce, and I had my son one day a month. Brian called me on that Sunday. I had gone to pick up my son, and he tracked me down at my ex-wife's house in the Hollywood Hills. He said, 'You gotta come to Western 3 right now and listen to this right now and see if there's something you can do on it'. I said, 'I have my son, and I don't have a guitar.' He said, 'Don't worry about it.' So we went there, and he played it for me. It was 'Sloop John B.' He said 'What I need is an electric 12-string guitar solo right here.' I said, 'Brian, I don't even own an electric 12-string.' 'So he called Glenn Wallichs at home, the owner of Wallichs Music City and he sent somebody down to the music store. [Wallichs was one of the founders of Capitol Records; his store was located on the northwest corner of Sunset and Vine] They opened the store up, got a Fender 12-string and a Fender Twin amplifier, brought it to the studio. I tuned it up. I made one pass at this thing, it was either eight or sixteen bars, and Brian was happy with it. He said 'That's it.' He reached into his pocket and pulled out a wad of bills and gave me $500 and said 'Don't forget to take your guitar and amplifier.' That's the kind of guy he was." Small snag with Billy's recollection: 12/22 in 1965 was a Wednesday. Thank you, Mr. Doe. This has to be the shortest session with any Wrecking Crew member that we know of. I'm surprised I forgot about it. That quote from Hal, I've never tried to take it too literally; he may have just been trying to further the narrative of Brian being eccentric for the documentaries. Or maybe he was referring to any session that Brian cancelled. I've heard various times of Brian cancelling a session shortly after arrival due to 'the vibrations weren't right' or something to that effect. Has there ever been any validity for that story? Which begs, which session has been the shortest overall? Surely it would be Dave Marks' epic screeching Hendrix/Clapton/Page inspired solo for 'Don't Worry Baby'? 'Clunk Clunk', 'Clunk Clunk', 'Clunk Clunk'...
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Post by jk on Mar 18, 2024 7:58:13 GMT -5
Which begs, which session has been the shortest overall? Surely it would be Dave Marks' epic screeching Hendrix/Clapton/Page inspired solo for 'Don't Worry Baby'? 'Clunk Clunk', 'Clunk Clunk', 'Clunk Clunk'... Haha. This is perhaps the finest example of less-is-more in a solo (Motown was good at these too). Which is why I made sure it didn't get left out of my instrumental breaks poll.
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