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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:49:35 GMT -5
Sometimes I refer to them as schmoopen-schlapen-schlamagowitz the third Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that. Excuse me? |
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 16:51:02 GMT -5
Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that. Excuse me? Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -5
Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that. Have I offended you? |
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 16:56:04 GMT -5
Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that. Have I offended you? Why would you want to do that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:58:44 GMT -5
Why would you want to do that? Youre the one who raised issue with me, comrade, so is this series of posts leading to anything in particular or not? |
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 17:24:03 GMT -5
Why would you want to do that? Youre the one who raised issue with me, comrade, so is this series of posts leading to anything in particular or not? ”Anything in particular” such as? Please explain. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:29:36 GMT -5
This feels like harassment to me. You accuse me of doing something wrong, I innocently ask what the issue is, and rather than give me a straight answer so we can deal with the situation, you give me a pointless runaround. We are both adults here, and you're old enough to have a picture of what I assume is your grandchild or nephew in your profile picture. With respect, spit it out or drop it.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 3, 2019 17:29:54 GMT -5
Well, there was a band called the Devinyls. Then there is the Hoffman board. It drives Steve crazy when folks use “vinyls”. To me, it sounds like peoples, fishes, or deers. But, like I said yesterday, I'm a relic. People means many human beings. But vinyl is single, is it not? Then by logic plural would be usual adding "s" thing --> vinyls. I mean, it makes sense. |
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 3, 2019 17:33:23 GMT -5
Ive heard people use vinyls all the time. Maybe it's just another generational thing. Agree. I read music blogs and whatnot and many times I'd seen they say "vinyls" (along with LPs interchangeably). |
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 17:34:27 GMT -5
To me, it sounds like peoples, fishes, or deers. But, like I said yesterday, I'm a relic. People means many human beings. But vinyl is single, is it not? Then by logic plural would be usual adding "s" thing --> vinyls. I mean, it makes sense. Well no, usually the plural of vinyl is vinyl. Like "here's my vinyl collection" or "I'm going to the record store to pick up some vinyl." |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 17:40:40 GMT -5
To me, it sounds like peoples, fishes, or deers. But, like I said yesterday, I'm a relic. People means many human beings. But vinyl is single, is it not? Then by logic plural would be usual adding "s" thing --> vinyls. I mean, it makes sense. Not always true. A word like Deer is both singular and plural. Vinyl is a substance, not an actual thing. So, if you say “I have some vinyl”, you mean, I have some vinyl records. I have some vinyl mats. I have vinyl seats in my car. Vinyl is not a thing. It makes a thing. I checked the dictionary and vinyls is not the plural of vinyl. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:43:31 GMT -5
Maybe we could go back to talking about music and not fighting about grammar? Or am I being "antagonistic?"
I'll start. Anyone have any colored vinyl(s)? I have two: Piper at the Gates of Dawn in scarlet and Cottonwoodhill in yellow.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 17:44:50 GMT -5
This feels like harassment to me. You accuse me of doing something wrong, I innocently ask what the issue is, and rather than give me a straight answer so we can deal with the situation, you give me a pointless runaround. We are both adults here, and you're old enough to have a picture of what I assume is your grandchild or nephew in your profile picture. With respect, spit it out or drop it. I’ve decided to block you instead. It seems that many people are being accused of harassing you, when in fact you seem to goad and surreptitiously invite contra temps. Rather than fuel any paranoia, therefore, it might be better if our paths don’t cross again. I hope you find some happiness. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:49:07 GMT -5
Seems to me like you came with an axe to grind.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 17:53:29 GMT -5
Maybe we could go back to talking about music and not fighting about grammar? Or am I being "antagonistic?" I'll start. Anyone have any colored vinyl(s)? I have two: Piper at the Gates of Dawn in scarlet and Cottonwoodhill in yellow. I actually find it quite interesting, as I have always been fond of English. It is my language of choice and I enjoy when it is spoken and spelled properly. It really irks me when a singer says “reindeers” when singing The Christmas Song or Rudolph, The Red-Nosed Reindeer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:57:40 GMT -5
It can be interesting, but I wish people understood language evolves. Fishes and ain't used to be improper as well, but now they're in the dictionary.
One of my favorite college professors taught english and to my surprise, was really cool about the way language changes over time. We went over the history of english from its Germanic origins to how it's changed in America
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 18:09:20 GMT -5
Sure it changes, but usually not singular-plural words. Except for “Sleeping with the fishes”, I have never heard anyone remotely educated use “Fishes”. Ain’t is considered a slang word. What sounds better, Vinyl records or vinyls records? Point is when we say vinyl, we infer the next word, as in “Vinyl...”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:16:25 GMT -5
Sure it changes, but usually not singular-plural words. Except for “Sleeping with the fishes”, I have never heard anyone remotely educated use “Fishes”. Ain’t is considered a slang word. What sounds better, Vinyl records or vinyls records? Point is when we say vinyl, we infer the next word, as in “Vinyl...”. I really wouldn't know. But if you dont mind, this is the third time the dictionary or semantics have come up and each time Ive had someone get angry with me. So Id rather bow out of this particular discussion. |
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 18:28:56 GMT -5
Sure it changes, but usually not singular-plural words. Except for “Sleeping with the fishes”, I have never heard anyone remotely educated use “Fishes”. Ain’t is considered a slang word. What sounds better, Vinyl records or vinyls records? Point is when we say vinyl, we infer the next word, as in “Vinyl...”. Just used as a collective noun. Fish - singular or plural depending on context. Vinyl - referring to a collection of vinyl.  |
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 3, 2019 19:05:41 GMT -5
Sure it changes, but usually not singular-plural words. Except for “Sleeping with the fishes”, I have never heard anyone remotely educated use “Fishes”. Ain’t is considered a slang word. What sounds better, Vinyl records or vinyls records? Point is when we say vinyl, we infer the next word, as in “Vinyl...”. Regarding vinyl records vs. vinyls records and vinyl collection vs. vinyls collection - isn't the 1st word in these phrases singular anyway? I'd seen people write "My badge collection", "My stamp collection", "birthday records", "speech records" etc. The next puzzling thing - if you say "vinyl" is substance, doesn't then it mean it can't be plural-singular? It gets to be adjective in the phrase "vinyl collection", right? Can you explain these? It really baffles. |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 19:55:41 GMT -5
Vinyl is nothing but a ball. It has to be colored, pressed, etc to make a record. Saying I have vinyl or vinyls means nothing unless you know before hand what you are talking about. If someone walks up to me and Says “I like vinyl...”, I have no idea what vinyl he likes. There are other things besides records that are made of vinyl. So, unless I already know that we are talking about records, just saying “I like vinyl” can mean a few things. This is what I mean by “infer”. If I already know we are talking about records, you say “I prefer vinyl over tape”, then I know you mean records, because the proper way to say it in English is “I prefer vinyl records over tape”. Also, in this case “records” is plural and vinyl remains singular. Even as a substance, you say, “I have balls of vinyl”, not “I have balls of vinyls”.
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Post by nogosherbet on Feb 3, 2019 20:55:21 GMT -5
I used to be annoyed at "vinyls" but lately I've embraced it. Recently, I also came across the alternate spelling "vynils" which I quite like.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 21:34:24 GMT -5
^I just don't understand why we're talking about the spelling instead of the music. This was a nice thread and I was having a good time discussing it until suddenly became a circlejerk over everyone who doesn't use the exact right terminology. Insisting that everyone use the exact terms they did in the 50s strikes me not only as pointless but pretentious. It didn't seem to be a problem at all until someone made it one.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 22:21:50 GMT -5
Because we are not all like you. I was trying to have some fun with it. You embraced the term, I treat it like adding an s to deer. Please don’t take things so personal. If you are going to embrace bad English, at least have some fun with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 22:48:33 GMT -5
Because we are not all like you. I was trying to have some fun with it. You embraced the term, I treat it like adding an s to deer. Please don’t take things so personal. If you are going to embrace bad English, at least have some fun with it. I feel like Im not allowed to disagree with anyone without it becoming this big deal where Im taking it personally or making everyone "like me." Nobody else ever seems to get accused of stuff like that when they express a disagreement with someone else here. The thing is, there's really no such thing as bad English in the sense of colloquial words becoming slowly added to the popular lexicon and eventually the standard dictionary. Languages evolve, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Terms evolve. Language doesn't stop evolving just because you or anyone else say it does. Texting, Selfies, emojis...these are words which didn't exist before but now they do. Eye-balls, addiction, bedazzled, cold-blooded did not exist before Shakespeare invented them. As you yourself said, there was a time when "album" meant a picture book but now the word has changed. Imagine if someone came to this thread from the '20s and told us we were using the word album "wrong" and demanded we all use the exact terminology from their own time? That'd be pretty ridiculous right? It's clear we all use different terms for "a released collection of music" as page 2 of this thread has demonstrated. I don't understand the need to derail a thread in order to police grammar, especially when I used the word "vinyls" in my first response on this thread and you liked it--seemingly there was no issue at that time. Also, if you'll recall, I was having fun with it until someone on the last page attempted to goad me into a confrontation and made a big show of blocking me over it. So like...what am I supposed to do, exactly? If I play along I'm "antagonistic," "paranoid" and have no happiness in my life. ( Which by the way are pretty harsh words to say to someone for so little.) If I try to move past that by talking about another aspect of vinyls (color) I get ignored. If I try to move the conversation back on topic then I'm suddenly attempting to make everyone else exactly like me. And yet, who is it that's pushing their exact phraseology on other people exactly? It just strikes me as a tad ironic is all. |
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