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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 8:19:16 GMT -5
LP is short for Long Playing. Came into being in the late 1940s when record companies moved from 78 RPM shellac records to 33 1/3 RPM 10” vinyl and later in the mid 50s to 12” vinyl. We rarely, if ever used the term vinyl. LPs or albums and 45’s were always the terminology used, very rarely vinyl.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 8:32:49 GMT -5
LP is short for Long Playing. Came into being in the late 1940s when record companies moved from 78 RPM shellac records to 33 1/3 RPM 10” vinyl and later in the mid 50s to 12” vinyl. We rarely, if ever used the term vinyl. LPs or albums and 45’s were always the terminology used, very rarely vinyl. The term "vinyl" I think was used as a marketing tool, to reinvigorate a market that had evaporated. Yes - they were 3 bucks. No more. It does make for a charming gift. One of my kids bought me a Summer Days and Summer Nights LP. It is unopened but his thoughtfulness is displayed. I carried around vinyl - just like every other boomer, and I suppose it was like wearing your heart on your sleeve. Mostly I think it is a novelty. You can't play it in your car. I love having music on my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:02:03 GMT -5
Maybe we could stop referring to vinyl as “vinyls”? They’re LPs or albums, 45s or singles, 12-inchers or 7-inchers. They could be vinyl, collectively, but “vinyls” is a word invented by the digital generation. Well, as a member of "the digital generation" I will keep saying vinyls. Album in my experience just refers to the music, not the medium. Ive never heard anyone use LP outside the internet, and the other terms dont sound as good. You know what the other person is saying, so whats the big deal? I have only one problem with vynils... I tend to misspell it. That's all. Of course, being friends with a member of this digital generation of which John speaks helps immeasurably.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:17:50 GMT -5
LP is short for Long Playing. Came into being in the late 1940s when record companies moved from 78 RPM shellac records to 33 1/3 RPM 10” vinyl and later in the mid 50s to 12” vinyl. We rarely, if ever used the term vinyl. LPs or albums and 45’s were always the terminology used, very rarely vinyl. Im aware that was the more popular term back in the day, and what it means. But nowadays nobody uses it--even store curators that I've seen. I think the reason is because technically the term could apply to CDs as well, whereas when you say "vinyl" there's no question what you're talking about. Plus, at least in my experience, nobody buys singles or EPs anymore especially on vinyl, so the distinction isn't really necessary anymore. At the end of the day language evolves. I dont see the big deal getting hung up on what other people call something as long as it's obvious what they're saying. "A rose by any other name..." etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:25:00 GMT -5
support the artists (or their estates) and earn my hipster cred Just wanted to say that I love your posts Leni (though still haven’t had time to read your SMiLE essay) and this one made me smile. Especially cos I’ve just been ribbing my workmate over his new glasses made out of melted down vinyl records, which is about the most hipster thing I have ever heard. I love the feel, cracks and pops included, of vinyl like I love the smell of books and the pleasure of just holding it in your hand. It’s just real and tactile and visceral in a way that streaming isn’t. Or CDs with their horrible little plastic cases and teeny cover art for that matter. Having said that, pretty much all my listening is paid streaming now and I don’t own a turntable...sad...especially as under this new convenience model one hands over money for the same product over and over again and never actually owns anything Thanks you! I appreciate hearing that Wow, I've never heard of vinyl glasses before. I'd like to get glasses with thicker frames like Brian from Pet Sounds, but I haven't gotten around to it yet myself. The glasses I have now are thinner frames and kinda goofy looking to me now CDs are pretty terrible in my opinion. It made sense for the time but I don't see them ever coming back like vinyl has. If we're going to sell music on optical discs again, we should use audio DVDs (yes, they exist--just never caught on.) The reason is because they can hold a lot more data and so you could put FLAC files on them. CDs are too small to store anything but incredibly scaled down lossy formats, which is why vinyl sounds better.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 9:27:50 GMT -5
LP is short for Long Playing. Came into being in the late 1940s when record companies moved from 78 RPM shellac records to 33 1/3 RPM 10” vinyl and later in the mid 50s to 12” vinyl. We rarely, if ever used the term vinyl. LPs or albums and 45’s were always the terminology used, very rarely vinyl. Im aware that was the more popular term back in the day. But nowadays nobody uses it--even store curators that I've seen. At the end of the day language evolves. I dont see the big deal getting hung up on what other people call something as long as it's obvious what they're saying. "A rose by any other name..." etc Not a big deal. You can call them whatever you want. It is just somewhat foreign terminology to those of us who bought and owned LPs as our main form of music listening. I suppose after the cheap shit used in the 70s and 80s, advertising 180g & 200g vinyl today is as much the selling point as is the sound and music or the band making the music.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 9:38:44 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen vinyl plauralized as "vinyls."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:52:40 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen vinyl plauralized as "vinyls." Not sure I've ever seen anyone plauralize anything!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:53:27 GMT -5
I tried on some glasses a bit like that recently. They looked really cool until they were on my face ☹️
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 9:56:29 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen vinyl plauralized as "vinyls." Well, there was a band called the Devinyls. Then there is the Hoffman board. It drives Steve crazy when folks use “vinyls”.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 9:58:13 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen vinyl plauralized as "vinyls." Well, there was a band called the Devinyls. Then there is the Hoffman board. It drives Steve crazy when folks use “vinyls”. To me, it sounds like peoples, fishes, or deers. But, like I said yesterday, I'm a relic.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 9:58:45 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen vinyl plauralized as "vinyls." Not sure I've ever seen anyone plauralize anything! Know spelecheck on my fone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:11:30 GMT -5
Ive heard people use vinyls all the time. Maybe it's just another generational thing.
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Post by mikedonn on Feb 3, 2019 12:57:06 GMT -5
My take is that an album comes in many formats:
Lp, 78, 45 (the latter 2 mostly for eps and singles). They were made of vinyl so the collective term is used. Cassette CD DVD Bluray SACD Digital Download etc
In the past an album was the vinyl lp because cassette versions weren't around.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 12:59:03 GMT -5
My take is that an album comes in many formats: Lp, 78, 45 (the latter 2 mostly for eps and singles). They were made of vinyl so the collective term is used. Cassette CD DVD Bluray SACD Digital Download etc In the past an album was the vinyl lp because cassette versions weren't around. Agreed, I always took "album" to refer to the collection of songs, not the media its on. I've always collected CDs, but I've always referred to them as albums.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 13:05:35 GMT -5
My take is that an album comes in many formats: Lp, 78, 45 (the latter 2 mostly for eps and singles). They were made of vinyl so the collective term is used. Cassette CD DVD Bluray SACD Digital Download etc In the past an album was the vinyl lp because cassette versions weren't around. Agreed. But as long people know what I mean, it doesn’t matter what you call them, does it?
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2019 13:09:48 GMT -5
My take is that an album comes in many formats: Lp, 78, 45 (the latter 2 mostly for eps and singles). They were made of vinyl so the collective term is used. Cassette CD DVD Bluray SACD Digital Download etc In the past an album was the vinyl lp because cassette versions weren't around. Agreed. But as long people know what I mean, it doesn’t matter what you call them, does it? When I read some of this I got a chuckle looking at the 78s...as a young teacher there were some leftover and out of print 78s in my kindergarten that I used all the time, that the kids absolutely loved to skip or hop to. And as child-like an appropriate as any thing you could find. It was great that the record player had a setting for 78 rpm. Some are old, but still play-worthy and very cool.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 13:22:42 GMT -5
My take is that an album comes in many formats: Lp, 78, 45 (the latter 2 mostly for eps and singles). They were made of vinyl so the collective term is used. Cassette CD DVD Bluray SACD Digital Download etc In the past an album was the vinyl lp because cassette versions weren't around. Actually, the term “album” for records came from the photo album. The “Album” was the container that held the collection of 78s together as a package. With the advent of the 10 and 12 inch vinyl record, the record itself became the album that housed the songs in one place (LP).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:25:19 GMT -5
Its interesting how language constantly evolves over time.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 3, 2019 13:28:55 GMT -5
In the 70s, I sat on many vinyls while either driving or as a passenger. It was the cheap man’s leather back in those days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:31:59 GMT -5
Does no one else call them records? I mean I know technically a record is anything that has been recorded, but I generally refer to my vinyl as records.
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Post by kds on Feb 3, 2019 16:34:07 GMT -5
Does no one else call them records? I mean I know technically a record is anything that has been recorded, but I generally refer to my vinyl as records. That's how I've always heard the plural of vinyl albums, records.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 16:38:06 GMT -5
Does no one else call them records? I mean I know technically a record is anything that has been recorded, but I generally refer to my vinyl as records. By god you’re right!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:44:04 GMT -5
Sometimes I refer to them as schmoopen-schlapen-schlamagowitz the third
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Post by John Manning on Feb 3, 2019 16:47:34 GMT -5
Sometimes I refer to them as schmoopen-schlapen-schlamagowitz the third Please don’t be deliberately antagonistic, this board is a better place than that.
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