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Post by jiggy22 on Jan 28, 2024 15:51:38 GMT -5
I never liked these conceptually, but the decline in quality lately has been stark. Seems like somebody's been smelling his own farts. Maybe the comment sections being filled exclusively (and frankly, suspiciously) with nothing but sycophantic praise has got to him. He absolutely does delete negative comments. It's like Jonestown down in the comments section.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 28, 2024 15:59:44 GMT -5
Do you really want to tear it all down? It's just for fun.
Here's another with Jock. Was years and years ago.
Sean was still alive. Did he sue for copyright? Was he paid off?
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 28, 2024 16:25:09 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed what Dae Lims has done so far. It's not all perfect - stuff like Smile AI, The Like in I Love You, Let's Put Our Hearts Together have been the standouts for me, with some less impressive work sprinkled in. But I can appreciate the passion he has for the material. It's evident by his song choices, arrangements, performances, etc that he is a massive fan of the Beach Boys. I'd put it on the same level as Sean Macreavy's stuff in terms of fan creations. He is opening a portal into an alternate universe that I always wanted to visit. I've listened to some of his stuff. That top one is from before AI, 1994. Would put it back in time to Windows 3.1. What has MIDI wrought? Sean is using Cubase. And if you look close, Alan Boyd is singing along. These days you can make an album on an iPhone. Do you consider Channel Surfing AI? Just where do we begin saying music from the past is AI? If you like this, look into one of his helpers, Paul McNulty. I like his albums better than this. Hums Wild is very nice. The one with the fake McCartney cover (with spilt bananas) has some good tracks.
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Post by lonesurf on Jan 28, 2024 20:01:28 GMT -5
I’m also a 10cc fan (much like Sean & Paul). Here is Sean & Paul’s recent version of a beautiful Graham Gouldman tune:
Gorgeous.
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Post by mustomax on Jan 29, 2024 3:07:02 GMT -5
Sorry but I prefer listen to that than the horrible "She and Him" covers!
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Post by Awesoman on Jan 29, 2024 9:11:19 GMT -5
There is clearly no stopping him… Yeah not really feeling this one. But then again "Desert Drive" never really rose beyond being an average, even mediocre track. Pretty bummed to hear that Dae Lims had to take down his excellent "Return To Pepperland" creation though.
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Post by AGD on Jan 29, 2024 10:18:02 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed what Dae Lims has done so far. It's not all perfect - stuff like Smile AI, The Like in I Love You, Let's Put Our Hearts Together have been the standouts for me, with some less impressive work sprinkled in. But I can appreciate the passion he has for the material. It's evident by his song choices, arrangements, performances, etc that he is a massive fan of the Beach Boys. I'd put it on the same level as Sean Macreavy's stuff in terms of fan creations. He is opening a portal into an alternate universe that I always wanted to visit. I've listened to some of his stuff. That top one is from before AI, 1994. Would put it back in time to Windows 3.1. What has MIDI wrought? Sean is using Cubase. And if you look close, Alan Boyd is singing along. These days you can make an album on an iPhone. Do you consider Channel Surfing AI? Just where do we begin saying music from the past is AI? If you like this, look into one of his helpers, Paul McNulty. I like his albums better than this. Hums Wild is very nice. The one with the fake McCartney cover (with spilt bananas) has some good tracks. Unbelieveably ridiculous statement. Can't believe I'm reading it. Every track on that album was an original composition, recorded from the ground up by Alan & friends - exactly how is that in any deranged way AI? Dae Lims' stuff is basically a digitally enhanced singalongaBeachBoys and sounds exactly like that.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 29, 2024 12:01:02 GMT -5
I've listened to some of his stuff. That top one is from before AI, 1994. Would put it back in time to Windows 3.1. What has MIDI wrought? Sean is using Cubase. And if you look close, Alan Boyd is singing along. These days you can make an album on an iPhone. Do you consider Channel Surfing AI? Just where do we begin saying music from the past is AI? If you like this, look into one of his helpers, Paul McNulty. I like his albums better than this. Hums Wild is very nice. The one with the fake McCartney cover (with spilt bananas) has some good tracks. Unbelieveably ridiculous statement. Can't believe I'm reading it. Every track on that album was an original composition, recorded from the ground up by Alan & friends - exactly how is that in any deranged way AI? Dae Lims' stuff is basically a digitally enhanced singalongaBeachBoys and sounds exactly like that. Calm down, Andrew. I said that to support my point: Why is the Sean Macreavy album being held up as AI in this AI thread? Don't see how an album made in 1994 could be considered AI. I was asking poster msuts if he considered that AI. I don't.I picked a well-known album, an album all Beach Boys fans should know of. Alan, himself, is on the Macreavy album. Not an AI Alan insert. Paul McNulty's albums are not AI, either. They are real music. You can't just use digital effects on the vocals and call it AI. I believe a lot of folks going back to John Lennon in 1966 used effects on their vocals. Beatles are not AI. Well, not until the recent Paul and Ringo play AI games with analogue music. I asked another unanswered question, as well. Just where do we begin saying music from the past is AI? What year?
You failed to put my questions in context. My Jock Ferguson posts are not AI, either. But I believe add to this topic when voice actors are being held up in comparison. That will get straightened out. The smells in the room comment reeks of jealousy. Dae Lims isn't any old AI creator; he is the best I've heard. I can suss out what's good to me, quick. We can all have opinions. Some I agree with, others I don't.
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Post by AGD on Jan 29, 2024 13:47:14 GMT -5
Well, iffn he's the best, I really really don't want to hear any of the others: the vast majority of his counterfeits are tinny, shrill, sound nothing like the band and everything like, as others have pointed out, a second rate covers act. Quality control - if there ever was any - was disengaged a long time ago and he's now doing it... because he can. That he deletes all unfavourable comments tells you all you need to know. Yup, it's not going to go away, but that doesn't mean I have to like, or even tolerate, it.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 29, 2024 15:20:44 GMT -5
I’m also a 10cc fan (much like Sean & Paul). Here is Sean & Paul’s recent version of a beautiful Graham Gouldman tune: Gorgeous. Love 10cc. But, again, this is not AI. No AI treatments. Just a cover of an old song by fans. If that is AI, please explain how it is. Mirror Mirror is not exactly a 10cc album. You know those details if you're a fan. Eric and Graham were barely speaking to each other. Don't let the "official" video fool you. The "Ready to Go Home" on Mirror Mirror has a lead vocal by Andrew Gold, who wrote it with Graham in 1991. Andrew is on one track of ...Meanwhile (1992). Also, not a real 10cc album beyond the hype. That is an Eric album that got mangled. I didn't buy it or what followed. I've heard a few of the live tracks. Not sure how far that tour progressed after the Japan dates. I lost interest in 1992. 10cc was all done, had been done for years - if not for the popularity of the joint Godley & Creme/10cc version with Stewart & Gouldman for 1987's Changing Faces. I have that, and both the VHS and DVD releases. Wonderful! Any deals after that had more to do with money. Graham re-recorded "Ready to Go Home" in 2000 for And Another Thing. Not too good, but Andrew Gold is also part of those sessions. These arguments draw me back in but none of this is about AI.
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Post by daelims on Jan 30, 2024 6:04:17 GMT -5
Thanks to the mods for approving my account.
Just wanted to pop into the thread and say hello!
I'm definitely not here to argue everyone's strong opinions against my work here, people are obviously free to think what they want and I respect it. However, I felt the need to interject because I've seen a few people accuse me of deleting comments on my YouTube videos. Just for the record I've NEVER ever deleted a comment on my YouTube videos. If it's negative comments you're looking for, I implore you to take a closer look. I guarantee you'll find what you're looking for. I don't understand how this rumor started, and it really bugs me to see people state it as if it's fact - so just wanted to put the official word out (if you choose to believe me, of course).
Anyway - to the people here who do enjoy what I do, thank you very much!
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Post by Al S on Jan 30, 2024 6:33:36 GMT -5
Thanks to the mods for approving my account. Just wanted to pop into the thread and say hello! I'm definitely not here to argue everyone's strong opinions against my work here, people are obviously free to think what they want and I respect it. However, I felt the need to interject because I've seen a few people accuse me of deleting comments on my YouTube videos. Just for the record I've NEVER ever deleted a comment on my YouTube videos. If it's negative comments you're looking for, I implore you to take a closer look. I guarantee you'll find what you're looking for. I don't understand how this rumor started, and it really bugs me to see people state it as if it's fact - so just wanted to put the official word out (if you choose to believe me, of course). Anyway - to the people here who do enjoy what I do, thank you very much! Welcome daelims - thanks for a great intro and respectful acknowledgement of the diverse responses to your work. Thanks for the official skinny re the YouTube comments; I invite anyone who wants to discuss "it" further to reach out to the mods - that's me or mikie. We're here to support the continued dissemination of accurate information, not to mention good vibrations and excitations. Al
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 30, 2024 9:06:23 GMT -5
Thanks to the mods for approving my account. Just wanted to pop into the thread and say hello! I'm definitely not here to argue everyone's strong opinions against my work here, people are obviously free to think what they want and I respect it. However, I felt the need to interject because I've seen a few people accuse me of deleting comments on my YouTube videos. Just for the record I've NEVER ever deleted a comment on my YouTube videos. If it's negative comments you're looking for, I implore you to take a closer look. I guarantee you'll find what you're looking for. I don't understand how this rumor started, and it really bugs me to see people state it as if it's fact - so just wanted to put the official word out (if you choose to believe me, of course). Anyway - to the people here who do enjoy what I do, thank you very much! Thanks for signing up. It may help some of us who don't really understand what this is all about because of the tech involved (that would include me) and what direction it is going. Thanks again. 👍
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Post by craigjanos on Jan 30, 2024 10:38:46 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoy your work! I really look forward to seeing what you're going to do next!
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Post by catbirdman on Feb 1, 2024 0:32:33 GMT -5
For the past 2-3 months, I've really been enjoying the flurry of fan creations and reimaginings that seem to be out there more and more all the time. For me it scratches an irresistible itch - embracing, savoring (and if I'm honest, fetishizing) this music that has meant so much to us, and dumping it all out on the floor, mixing up the pieces, playing with them like little toys, writing pretend stories to our invisible friends. Just like my daughter plays with her Barbies, and even watches videos on YouTube about other spoiled kids playing with Barbies. Living dolls, these Beach Boys songs.
I mean all of that sincerely - no snark.
I totally understand that for some, it doesn't work. For many folks, it might seem disrespectful, gimmicky, beside the point, sacrilege, whatever. All valid perspectives. I don't feel that way myself, but I respect those who do.
For me, I'm EATING IT UP. For real.
AI is in its infancy, and how it will evolve remains to be seen... Leaving aside the wider implications of technology in our lives and in our societies (you know, like whether or not we are bound to extinction, world wars and so forth - spoiler: we probably are), I unashamedly find great comfort and diversion in this pleasant recreation. Dae Lims is definitely the lead dog in the race right now. I love every effort he makes, because he's doing it. Some of it is jaw-droppingly brilliant: the second half of the bridge in Child Is Father Of The Man, the extended Walk On By medley, and most of all Our Happy Home (WOW). The recent Holy Man I thought was a stunner as well. But his work is definitely not immune to criticism - some of the voice models (or whatever they're called) work better than others. Many things he's chosen to do I'm not as keen on (disco in the 60s, for example), but I sincerely applaud EVERY idea he's had and EVERY track he's done. Why? Because he's DOING it. He's playing with the toys. It's a creative exercise, and that's the way creativity works. You try things out, some good, some great, some "huh?" And you keep going, you get stronger, and joy spreads outward.
I wish I had the time and energy to figure this technology out myself because I am dying to put some ideas to work and play with the toys myself. Maybe one day... I do take the work of others and futz with it in Audacity whenever the family gives me a rare moment to myself. I'm on version ~1,563 of my personal Smile, for example. That is a particular quest that started back in 1995 for me. The grail glimmers! ... and then disappears, again. Will look again tomorrow.
I started typing this out before I saw that Dae Lims himself has actually just recently joined this forum and this thread. Hopefully there can be a respectful and honest conversation. Mr. Lims, I hope that you can take courage form all the reaction to your work, including the negative. Just keep doing what you're doing and the universe will take care of the rest. If we survive as a species, that is.
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Post by Micha on Feb 1, 2024 6:13:13 GMT -5
There is clearly no stopping him… Well, it was about time! Dae Lims now sort of finished what the Beach Boys SHOULD have finished way back in 1996. It's not perfect, though, but there will be even better versions in the coming years. It's fascinating how you can spot the different voices: Mike and Al here, Brian, Mike, and Dennis in "Sandy she needs me". In the latter case, it is not unlikely the trading of the voices would have been just like in Lim's version if Brian had done it in 1965. Why the hell didn't he do it back then? I think it would have been good enough to be a single.
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Post by barto2 on Feb 1, 2024 7:29:31 GMT -5
With no disrespect meant to those playing with these AI tools...there is something profoundly sad to me about the humans behind the Beach boys passing on (e.g. Melinda recently) while the future promises interesting but ultimately lifeless robotic imitations.
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Post by longtime lurker on Feb 1, 2024 7:50:54 GMT -5
For the past 2-3 months, I've really been enjoying the flurry of fan creations and reimaginings that seem to be out there more and more all the time. For me it scratches an irresistible itch - embracing, savoring (and if I'm honest, fetishizing) this music that has meant so much to us, and dumping it all out on the floor, mixing up the pieces, playing with them like little toys, writing pretend stories to our invisible friends. Just like my daughter plays with her Barbies, and even watches videos on YouTube about other spoiled kids playing with Barbies. Living dolls, these Beach Boys songs. I mean all of that sincerely - no snark. I totally understand that for some, it doesn't work. For many folks, it might seem disrespectful, gimmicky, beside the point, sacrilege, whatever. All valid perspectives. I don't feel that way myself, but I respect those who do. For me, I'm EATING IT UP. For real. AI is in its infancy, and how it will evolve remains to be seen... Leaving aside the wider implications of technology in our lives and in our societies (you know, like whether or not we are bound to extinction, world wars and so forth - spoiler: we probably are), I unashamedly find great comfort and diversion in this pleasant recreation. Dae Lims is definitely the lead dog in the race right now. I love every effort he makes, because he's doing it. Some of it is jaw-droppingly brilliant: the second half of the bridge in Child Is Father Of The Man, the extended Walk On By medley, and most of all Our Happy Home (WOW). The recent Holy Man I thought was a stunner as well. But his work is definitely not immune to criticism - some of the voice models (or whatever they're called) work better than others. Many things he's chosen to do I'm not as keen on (disco in the 60s, for example), but I sincerely applaud EVERY idea he's had and EVERY track he's done. Why? Because he's DOING it. He's playing with the toys. It's a creative exercise, and that's the way creativity works. You try things out, some good, some great, some "huh?" And you keep going, you get stronger, and joy spreads outward. I wish I had the time and energy to figure this technology out myself because I am dying to put some ideas to work and play with the toys myself. Maybe one day... I do take the work of others and futz with it in Audacity whenever the family gives me a rare moment to myself. I'm on version ~1,563 of my personal Smile, for example. That is a particular quest that started back in 1995 for me. The grail glimmers! ... and then disappears, again. Will look again tomorrow. I started typing this out before I saw that Dae Lims himself has actually just recently joined this forum and this thread. Hopefully there can be a respectful and honest conversation. Mr. Lims, I hope that you can take courage form all the reaction to your work, including the negative. Just keep doing what you're doing and the universe will take care of the rest. If we survive as a species, that is. I am astounded by this person's work (his version of SMiLE, the 1968 medley, Goin' Out Of My Head are my personal favorites), but I have to admit I'm also troubled by his using other people's music and vocals and then adding HIS OWN (digitally reworked) vocals to it and then calling it his own work. As others here on the forum have said, this is problematic from both an ethical and legal perspective. It will be interesting indeed to see if he can continue to produce and upload these pieces while avoiding potential copyright issues.
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 1, 2024 9:54:41 GMT -5
Thanks to the mods for approving my account. Just wanted to pop into the thread and say hello! I'm definitely not here to argue everyone's strong opinions against my work here, people are obviously free to think what they want and I respect it. However, I felt the need to interject because I've seen a few people accuse me of deleting comments on my YouTube videos. Just for the record I've NEVER ever deleted a comment on my YouTube videos. If it's negative comments you're looking for, I implore you to take a closer look. I guarantee you'll find what you're looking for. I don't understand how this rumor started, and it really bugs me to see people state it as if it's fact - so just wanted to put the official word out (if you choose to believe me, of course). Anyway - to the people here who do enjoy what I do, thank you very much! Glad to see you here! I do enjoy your spin on a lot of these songs. Opinions on this AI revolution are all over the board so your insight is welcome. Any chance you might provide downloads of your songs? Would love if you put up some FLAC files of some of your work somewhere...especially the recently fallen "Return To Pepperland".
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 1, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -5
With no disrespect meant to those playing with these AI tools...there is something profoundly sad to me about the humans behind the Beach boys passing on (e.g. Melinda recently) while the future promises interesting but ultimately lifeless robotic imitations. Agreed. Although as I have previously stated I don't mind all these fan creations that serve ultimately as a curiosity, I don't think AI should become the "norm". Where you have "new" songs "sung" by long-dead artists like Lennon. That said, AI can be used for practical and constructive purposes. Such as with the Beatles' "Now And Then" successfully severing John's vocal from the piano. As long as AI is used responsibly I don't think it's a bad thing. And it's probably the only viable option at this point for successfully multitracking songs like "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations".
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 1, 2024 10:21:13 GMT -5
With no disrespect meant to those playing with these AI tools...there is something profoundly sad to me about the humans behind the Beach boys passing on (e.g. Melinda recently) while the future promises interesting but ultimately lifeless robotic imitations. Agreed. Although as I have previously stated I don't mind all these fan creations that serve ultimately as a curiosity, I don't think AI should become the "norm". Where you have "new" songs "sung" by long-dead artists like Lennon. That said, AI can be used for practical and constructive purposes. Such as with the Beatles' "Now And Then" successfully severing John's vocal from the piano. As long as AI is used responsibly I don't think it's a bad thing. And it's probably the only viable option at this point for successfully multitracking songs like "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations". Now and Then is extraordinary. You can see the collective work behind that release. And there was huge meticulous human input, judgement and skill to add the human orchestration and the animatronic (a stolen Disney term) layering of George and John into the video. But was John's vocal more of an extraction than AI? I do agree on responsible use, and not a steady diet. So long as it is a type of academic use, rather than monetizing off The Beach Boys work, I could be more receptive. But the laws have to get into step with the technology. That has the possibility of defeating the purpose of human music artists skill and depth. Thoughtful stuff. I'm still waiting for Dennis' on Sail on Sailor, not just for what-might-have-been but a thoughtful project that has meaning.
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 1, 2024 11:13:50 GMT -5
Agreed. Although as I have previously stated I don't mind all these fan creations that serve ultimately as a curiosity, I don't think AI should become the "norm". Where you have "new" songs "sung" by long-dead artists like Lennon. That said, AI can be used for practical and constructive purposes. Such as with the Beatles' "Now And Then" successfully severing John's vocal from the piano. As long as AI is used responsibly I don't think it's a bad thing. And it's probably the only viable option at this point for successfully multitracking songs like "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations". Now and Then is extraordinary. You can see the collective work behind that release. And there was huge meticulous human input, judgement and skill to add the human orchestration and the animatronic (a stolen Disney term) layering of George and John into the video. But was John's vocal more of an extraction than AI? From my understanding concerning "Now And Then", they relied on the same technology Peter Jackson used for the Get Back miniseries that utilizes artificial intelligence to successfully isolate and extract specific audio from a singular audio source. I believe it's the same or similar technology they have been using in recent years for all the deluxe Beatles' releases and providing proper stereo mixes for them. For "Now And Then" not only did AI isolate John's voice from the piano but I believe it also "rebuilt" the quality of the recording of his voice so that it sounded like he recorded it professionally in the studio instead of on a 50-year-old cassette tape. There was some confusion and slight controversy that John's voice was somehow "fake" because of the AI but that was not the case.
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Post by daelims on Feb 1, 2024 19:08:42 GMT -5
Thanks to the mods for approving my account. Just wanted to pop into the thread and say hello! I'm definitely not here to argue everyone's strong opinions against my work here, people are obviously free to think what they want and I respect it. However, I felt the need to interject because I've seen a few people accuse me of deleting comments on my YouTube videos. Just for the record I've NEVER ever deleted a comment on my YouTube videos. If it's negative comments you're looking for, I implore you to take a closer look. I guarantee you'll find what you're looking for. I don't understand how this rumor started, and it really bugs me to see people state it as if it's fact - so just wanted to put the official word out (if you choose to believe me, of course). Anyway - to the people here who do enjoy what I do, thank you very much! Glad to see you here! I do enjoy your spin on a lot of these songs. Opinions on this AI revolution are all over the board so your insight is welcome. Any chance you might provide downloads of your songs? Would love if you put up some FLAC files of some of your work somewhere...especially the recently fallen "Return To Pepperland". Hey, thanks so much! I'm happy to provide any insight I can - if anyone has any questions, feel free to direct them my way. But in short, just to give some thoughts: I pretty much just look at this stuff as next-level fan mixing, which is something I really enjoy doing. As others have noted, I'm a massive fan of the group and my standards are high when it comes to vocal production, mixing, etc. I really do try to ensure that the stuff sounds good, or even professional. It's up to the listener as far as how much importance should be placed on the stuff, but again, they're just fan mixes. If I got an e-mail today from the BBs/BWs management saying they want me to stop, I'd be inclined to think twice about what I'm doing. But as far as I can tell, the feedback has been good - notably Probyn has commented on one of my videos, Bruce was apparently impressed - and VDP also said he was impressed with the creativity. I also know I've converted a few non BBs fans into BBs fans through my work, so you could argue that my stuff can serve as a gateway to the real thing. End of the day, from what I gather, I think everyone that listens knows they're listening to fan-made creations. And about the models: The models aren't perfect yet - though some are getting pretty close. But at this point, in order to achieve perfect models, I'd need either: A) access to the masters B) AI technology to get even better at extracting individual vocals. It's all about having as many high quality samples of the singers voice as possible, in order to create a realistic model that can replicate all of the little nuances we'd expect to hear from the singer. I've been able to do this for a project I was hired to work on, and I was blown away by the results. Literally zero artifacts. About downloads: I'd prefer not to do that as I fear that could be crossing yet another line I probably shouldn't be crossing. That said, I think someone has uploaded most of my stuff on the internet archive. Hope I didn't ramble on too much, and I hope that it provides a bit of my perspective on all of this.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 1, 2024 20:57:09 GMT -5
For the past 2-3 months, I've really been enjoying the flurry of fan creations and reimaginings that seem to be out there more and more all the time. For me it scratches an irresistible itch - embracing, savoring (and if I'm honest, fetishizing) this music that has meant so much to us, and dumping it all out on the floor, mixing up the pieces, playing with them like little toys, writing pretend stories to our invisible friends. Just like my daughter plays with her Barbies, and even watches videos on YouTube about other spoiled kids playing with Barbies. Living dolls, these Beach Boys songs. Nice to see you back here again, Catbirdman. We missed your insights.
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Post by Malc on Feb 2, 2024 2:24:44 GMT -5
Seems that it’s really catching on now, and whilst it may not quite be DW I still kinda like it… (tho I have I have to say that this guys attempt at Bruce singing 'Matchpoint' has to be one of the worst to date !)
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