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Post by KenWorthing on Jan 22, 2024 6:06:15 GMT -5
In the name of all things Holy .. Dae Lim .. Just stop.
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Post by Awesoman on Jan 25, 2024 8:10:34 GMT -5
In the name of all things Holy .. Dae Lim .. Just stop. He doesn't appear to be stopping; a new one just dropped...
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Post by KenWorthing on Jan 25, 2024 8:16:46 GMT -5
Make it stop.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 8:31:02 GMT -5
I have to say I don't find this nearly as intoxicatingly great as his stunning work on the two unfinished (and unissued for decades) 1968 cover medleys. Agreed. His spin of "Walk On By/Are You There" is fantastic. "Ol' Man River" is charming too. And I actually prefer his Beatle-ized take of McCartney's unreleased "Return To Pepperland" over "Now And Then".As far as whether or not these things are ethical, I can appreciate them as fan creations from a talented guy and leave it as that. I agree. Love all of those and listen often. "Return To Pepperland" is stunning. They all are.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 8:51:08 GMT -5
Now, that's a huge improvement from his first attempts, which to these ears were frankly embarassing. That said, my question stands and remains valid: why? As someone has already said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. And... why excise Marilyn? Cause he's doing these vocals. He can't do Marilyn... cause he is a man. You guys should have paid closer attention when he and others were singing their hearts out on old Beach Boys songs at Smiley. Some of those are still around on YouTube, but they are not AI. Most have been removed from Smiley's Smilers That Make Music threads. Most, not all. Look up Mike Cleare on YouTube. He's done some great tributes to Dennis.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 8:55:11 GMT -5
In the name of all things Holy .. Dae Lim .. Just stop. He doesn't appear to be stopping; a new one just dropped... Listening is a choice, Ken. You have to key it in to find it. Don't look; won't find to be bothered.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jan 25, 2024 9:10:47 GMT -5
I don't look for it. .. it gets posted here .. so, I listen .. and that's how I form my opinion on his plagiarised ####.
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Post by Awesoman on Jan 25, 2024 10:44:36 GMT -5
I don't look for it. .. it gets posted here .. so, I listen .. and that's how I form my opinion on his plagiarised ####. Fair enough and I get your point, but nobody is forcing you to check this particular thread. And treating these songs as anything more than fun fan creations is probably a mistake as they shouldn't be taken too seriously. This guy isn't replacing the Beach Boys; he's presenting fun hypothetical "what-ifs" and demonstrating his own talent as an arranger. But I totally get the debatably ethical argument this poses. Not that it ultimately means anything but apparently in the comment section of one of Dae Lims' videos someone had commented that they played some of his work to Bruce Johnston whom responded favorably towards it. Do what you will with that. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 12:20:52 GMT -5
And don't report them as some kind of problem. They're not to those who enjoy them. I lost one of my very favorites, "More Today Than Yesterday", from such.
Or does anyone have that saved before they axed it? Post that here so I can follow the link.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 25, 2024 12:28:08 GMT -5
I don't look for it. .. it gets posted here .. so, I listen .. and that's how I form my opinion on his plagiarised ####. Yes, I think this one is awful. It seems the YT responses are mostly positive. The voices seem muddied and sound like an actual BB cover band rather than some extraction technique of BB voice prints. I hope Congress settles this soon.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 12:28:55 GMT -5
I don't look for it. .. it gets posted here .. so, I listen .. and that's how I form my opinion on his plagiarised ####. Fair enough and I get your point, but nobody is forcing you to check this particular thread. And treating these songs as anything more than fun fan creations is probably a mistake as they shouldn't be taken too seriously. This guy isn't replacing the Beach Boys; he's presenting fun hypothetical "what-ifs" and demonstrating his own talent as an arranger. But I totally get the debatably ethical argument this poses. Not that it ultimately means anything but apparently in the comment section of one of Dae Lims' videos someone had commented that they played some of his work to Bruce Johnston whom responded favorably towards it. Do what you will with that. 🤷🏼♂️ Yes, Dae Lims wants them to hire him. Then if they do, and BRI/Iconic Group gives its blessing, things will get better. It's a marshmallow world if you want it.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 25, 2024 12:33:09 GMT -5
I don't look for it. .. it gets posted here .. so, I listen .. and that's how I form my opinion on his plagiarised ####. Yes, I think this one is awful. It seems the YT responses are mostly positive. The voices seem muddied and sound like an actual BB cover band rather than some extraction technique of BB voice prints. I hope Congress settles this soon. This is like a cover band, a one-man operation more than some extraction technique. Dae Lims also posts "how I did it" videos with chats on YouTube for some songs. I don't see how Congress can do anything about someone covering a song. The Beach Boys did it.
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Post by Mopp on Jan 25, 2024 12:33:59 GMT -5
Now, that's a huge improvement from his first attempts, which to these ears were frankly embarassing. That said, my question stands and remains valid: why? As someone has already said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. And... why excise Marilyn? You guys should have paid closer attention when he and others were singing their hearts out on old Beach Boys songs at Smiley. Some of those are still around on YouTube, but they are not AI. Then why not just continue to sing his heart out? Why not just keep doing covers 'in the style' of Brian or Dennis? Why is the skin-suit necessary? It's just creepy. The dude is talented, but he isn't Brian Wilson. So why does he need to pretend to be?
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 25, 2024 12:45:21 GMT -5
Yes, I think this one is awful. It seems the YT responses are mostly positive. The voices seem muddied and sound like an actual BB cover band rather than some extraction technique of BB voice prints. I hope Congress settles this soon. This is like a cover band, a one-man operation more than some extraction technique. Dae Lims also posts "how I did it" videos with chats on YouTube for some songs. So - I'm no techie. But I know what does, and what does not, sound like the BBs. I could hear Carl's voice on "Wishin' You Were Here" the first time I heard it. This does not. It is a false representation.
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Post by barnsy on Jan 25, 2024 14:53:48 GMT -5
Listening to Sandy She Needs Me I think Dae Lims has forgotten to put his voice through the AI program. I don't think most of the others are that close either but this one even less so.
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Post by Awesoman on Jan 25, 2024 19:19:38 GMT -5
Yes, I think this one is awful. It seems the YT responses are mostly positive. The voices seem muddied and sound like an actual BB cover band rather than some extraction technique of BB voice prints. I hope Congress settles this soon. This is like a cover band, a one-man operation more than some extraction technique. Dae Lims also posts "how I did it" videos with chats on YouTube for some songs. I don't see how Congress can do anything about someone covering a song. The Beach Boys did it. There is an ethical problem when you are using someone's likeness (in this case their voice) without permission. This technology very well could become a huge mess and a liability; the concern over all this is not unwarranted. That said, I just like the stuff Dae Lims puts out and I treat his work as an impressive fan project without taking any of it seriously. But yeah, this new tech will need to be managed responsibly.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 25, 2024 20:12:42 GMT -5
This is like a cover band, a one-man operation more than some extraction technique. Dae Lims also posts "how I did it" videos with chats on YouTube for some songs. I don't see how Congress can do anything about someone covering a song. The Beach Boys did it. There is an ethical problem when you are using someone's likeness (in this case their voice) without permission. This technology very well could become a huge mess and a liability; the concern over all this is not unwarranted. That said, I just like the stuff Dae Lims puts out and I treat his work as an impressive fan project without taking any of it seriously. But yeah, this new tech will need to be managed responsibly. The issue could be analogized to likeness where there is guidance - I cited the Vanna White (Samsung case) upthread because I was looking for what kind of analysis might be comparable - since you own your "personalty" and have a right to exploit it (make money from it) such as the right of publicity. It is in post #248. People can like it all they want. But the sounds produced can be confusingly similar as perceived in the marketplace. And ethics has zero to do with it. When you appropriate that which is not yours, you are in murky water.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Jan 26, 2024 7:53:10 GMT -5
Some cool musical ideas in the Holy Man effort, but the lead is one of his less convincing for me.
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Post by msuts on Jan 26, 2024 13:47:21 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed what Dae Lims has done so far. It's not all perfect - stuff like Smile AI, The Like in I Love You, Let's Put Our Hearts Together have been the standouts for me, with some less impressive work sprinkled in. But I can appreciate the passion he has for the material. It's evident by his song choices, arrangements, performances, etc that he is a massive fan of the Beach Boys. I'd put it on the same level as Sean Macreavy's stuff in terms of fan creations. He is opening a portal into an alternate universe that I always wanted to visit.
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Post by Malc on Jan 28, 2024 3:40:00 GMT -5
There is clearly no stopping him…
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Post by John Manning on Jan 28, 2024 4:03:58 GMT -5
There is clearly no stopping him… Hmm… never was my favourite BW track. And here it doesn’t sound like the BBs’ vox at all, but like a fair rip-off band. The drumming was always too sharp for my ears and spoils my enjoyment anyway, so it wasn’t likely to succeed as an AI attempt, for me, without that removed and replaced by something less intrusive. And there’s a thing: The Beach Boys’ sound wasn’t 100% about the vocal blend – the blend of instruments Brian achieved in the studio was also vitally important. Think this sounded better when it had a genuine Beach Boy on lead vocals. Edit to add: when I’m listening to many of these AI creations, I’m thinking “Why am spending precious time listening to an AI thing when I could be listening to the real deal?”
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Post by Al S on Jan 28, 2024 4:55:47 GMT -5
There is clearly no stopping him… I hope he makes better decisions moving forward. This suuuuuuuuuuucks!
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Post by Mopp on Jan 28, 2024 7:55:29 GMT -5
I never liked these conceptually, but the decline in quality lately has been stark. Seems like somebody's been smelling his own farts. Maybe the comment sections being filled exclusively (and frankly, suspiciously) with nothing but sycophantic praise has got to him.
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Post by E on Jan 28, 2024 8:53:02 GMT -5
Worst I've heard.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 28, 2024 15:48:00 GMT -5
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