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Post by jds on May 3, 2022 21:29:30 GMT -5
Right. There was a time when they decided not to release "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire)" on the 30 Years of Good Vibrations Box Set because Brian had previously stated that he didn't want it out. Then Brian goes and re-records his own version, and wins a Grammy for best instrumental! So then Capitol releases the original Beach Boys version, and wins a Grammy for best historical album for the previously recorded sessions. So there you go. Reminder that years before the Smile box, Fire '66 was officially released out of the blue as part of some weird music publication promotional deal. (Was it a Guitar World pack-in CD? Something weird like that. I remember that Brian recorded a short explanatory introduction for it.)
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Post by esqeditor on May 3, 2022 21:31:02 GMT -5
Trust me.
It'll be worth every penny. Oh....for the love of God, please make sure you include the sessionography, musicians, dates and times, locations, and any other detail about the recordings in the collection this time........... Please! That will likely appear in ESQ
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 4, 2022 0:15:37 GMT -5
Oh....for the love of God, please make sure you include the sessionography, musicians, dates and times, locations, and any other detail about the recordings in the collection this time........... Please! That will likely appear in ESQ It's good to hear ESQ will probably do that, but still, shouldn't the details also go with the material at hand also? Doesn't that seem the logical thing to do? People pay good money to get the 'lock and key', but only end up the 'lock' and become quickly disappointed.
No disrespect, but I think that's a bit 'sheepish' and it's going to happen again?
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Post by ian on May 4, 2022 7:22:55 GMT -5
Artist’s views of their own work is very subjective as you know. Look at all the Dylan official bootleg releases on Columbia-some songs he did not originally want to release are better than the stuff he did put out! Certainly Brian was very wrong about let him run wild in my opinion-and in that particular case he clearly felt different in 1965 as it was on the original album
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 4, 2022 12:18:57 GMT -5
That will likely appear in ESQ It's good to hear ESQ will probably do that, but still, shouldn't the details also go with the material at hand also? Doesn't that seem the logical thing to do? People pay good money to get the 'lock and key', but only end up the 'lock' and become quickly disappointed.
No disrespect, but I think that's a bit 'sheepish' and it's going to happen again?
The Beach Boys? The logical thing to do? A combination that doesn’t go together
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Post by Mikie on May 4, 2022 12:39:40 GMT -5
Even Craig will say that the availability of the AFM sheets/musician credits/paperwork for the Carl & The Passions album are limited and some of the hardest to come by. At least it was that way as of a couple three years ago....
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Post by AGD on May 4, 2022 15:17:46 GMT -5
Right. There was a time when they decided not to release "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire)" on the 30 Years of Good Vibrations Box Set because Brian had previously stated that he didn't want it out. Then Brian goes and re-records his own version, and wins a Grammy for best instrumental! So then Capitol releases the original Beach Boys version, and wins a Grammy for best historical album for the previously recorded sessions. So there you go. Reminder that years before the Smile box, Fire '66 was officially released out of the blue as part of some weird music publication promotional deal. (Was it a Guitar World pack-in CD? Something weird like that. I remember that Brian recorded a short explanatory introduction for it.) It was first partially released in 1985 on the American Band video biography.
The "Fire" part starts at 4.07: Brian's explanation is taken from a 1976 BBC interview by Bob Harris. Regarding the 1993 box set, David Leaf told me at the time that "Fire" was never considered for it because they knew if Brian saw it, he'd veto it and all the other Smile material included.
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Post by John Manning on May 4, 2022 15:28:40 GMT -5
Right. There was a time when they decided not to release "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire)" on the 30 Years of Good Vibrations Box Set because Brian had previously stated that he didn't want it out. Then Brian goes and re-records his own version, and wins a Grammy for best instrumental! So then Capitol releases the original Beach Boys version, and wins a Grammy for best historical album for the previously recorded sessions. So there you go. Reminder that years before the Smile box, Fire '66 was officially released out of the blue as part of some weird music publication promotional deal. (Was it a Guitar World pack-in CD? Something weird like that. I remember that Brian recorded a short explanatory introduction for it.) I’ve never heard of that Guitar World disc until this post – anyone please have further info?
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 4, 2022 15:29:28 GMT -5
It's good to hear ESQ will probably do that, but still, shouldn't the details also go with the material at hand also? Doesn't that seem the logical thing to do? People pay good money to get the 'lock and key', but only end up the 'lock' and become quickly disappointed.
No disrespect, but I think that's a bit 'sheepish' and it's going to happen again?
The Beach Boys? The logical thing to do? A combination that doesn’t go together Is that really a band decision? I would think that is more of a Capitol Records issue.
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Post by AGD on May 4, 2022 15:35:03 GMT -5
Reminder that years before the Smile box, Fire '66 was officially released out of the blue as part of some weird music publication promotional deal. (Was it a Guitar World pack-in CD? Something weird like that. I remember that Brian recorded a short explanatory introduction for it.) I’ve never heard of that Guitar World disc until this post – anyone please have further info? First I've heard of it.
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Post by leedempsey on May 4, 2022 20:15:43 GMT -5
I’ve never heard of that Guitar World disc until this post – anyone please have further info? First I've heard of it. Brian’s solo version was issued on an ESQ giveaway CD after he won the Grammy for Best Instrumental — but that was after BWPS came out — and it wasn’t The Beach Boys version… Lee
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Post by jds on May 5, 2022 12:49:01 GMT -5
I wish I could remember more about it other than it was for a musical publication, was the original recording, and Brian did a (new) short explanatory intro for it. People at the time (I want to guess it was on some later iteration of the Smile Shop or the Record Room) were surprised that the original "Fire" had been released in such a low key way, but everyone already had it on bootleg or BWPS form so it wasn't a huge deal.
Other than being reasonably sure it happened, I don't have any helpful info and was hoping someone else could fill in the blanks, so I'll stop talking about it.
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Post by AGD on May 5, 2022 13:33:19 GMT -5
I wish I could remember more about it other than it was for a musical publication, was the original recording, and Brian did a (new) short explanatory intro for it. People at the time (I want to guess it was on some later iteration of the Smile Shop or the Record Room) were surprised that the original "Fire" had been released in such a low key way, but everyone already had it on bootleg or BWPS form so it wasn't a huge deal. Other than being reasonably sure it happened, I don't have any helpful info and was hoping someone else could fill in the blanks, so I'll stop talking about it. Playing Devil's Advocate here and I'm sorry but this just doesn't stack up. First and foremost, if it had happened the way you relate, absolutely every serious BB fan/researcher/historian would have heard of it, and bought the magazine. That Lee hasn't is very significant. Secondly, the timeline: saying "everyone already had it on bootleg or BWPS form" places it firmly after September 28th 2004. Again, in the 17 plus years since then, not a mention. Thirdly, as stated above, "Fire" in its original form was released (in part) in May 1985 on the American Band videobiog, so this wouldn't have been a first time ever event. Fourthly, and IMO most significantly, is your statement that you're "reasonably sure it happened". That indicates a large degree of uncertainty to me.
So to summarise, we've got a purported release of the original recording of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" on a musician's magazine cover mount some time after 9/28/04 that no-one else here has ever heard of, and that you're not sure actually happened at all. I'd dearly love to be proven wrong here, but I have to say, on the evidence you've presented, I think you're misremembering. Nothing personal.
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Post by jds on May 5, 2022 17:33:03 GMT -5
Oh, sure, I almost definitely incepted myself on this. It happens.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 6, 2022 1:03:34 GMT -5
I'm gonna say I wouldn't discount JDS idea here, and going on memory, and nothing to show to say I know otherwise. I remember something about this, was it in some Musician's or Music Production Making magazine? There have been 'tonnes' of these types of magazines produced over the years that it would not surprise me something like this is easy enough to fall through the cracks. Some are only short lived publications where they throw in a disc full of other random rubbish you don't want, but you have to buy the 20 dollar something magazine to get the disc to get that 1 track you really want. My gut feeling tells me he is right about 'Mr's O Leary's Cow', but which version? hmmm. If there was some kind of magazine write up about it, I would have bought the magazine at the time, but just on heels of what we are talking about, I'm guessing it would have been on the CD, probably left hanging without any write up.
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Post by craigslowinski on May 6, 2022 7:47:21 GMT -5
I wish I could remember more about it other than it was for a musical publication, was the original recording, and Brian did a (new) short explanatory intro for it. People at the time (I want to guess it was on some later iteration of the Smile Shop or the Record Room) were surprised that the original "Fire" had been released in such a low key way, but everyone already had it on bootleg or BWPS form so it wasn't a huge deal. Other than being reasonably sure it happened, I don't have any helpful info and was hoping someone else could fill in the blanks, so I'll stop talking about it. By any chance, you wouldn't happen to be thinking of the 10-track promo CD included with the U.K. publication Mail On Sunday, coinciding with the release of BWPS? That contained Brian Wilson Band recordings of 10 Beach Boys songs, but I can't remember if it included "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" (if so, it was the BWPS version, not the 1966 original). It also got Brian slapped with another lawsuit from Mike, because the CD cover was a shot (or shots) of the Beach Boys, used without their permission. Otherwise, there's a small part of my memory that MIGHT recall a music magazine including the BWPS version shortly after it won the Grammy for "best rock instrumental". But again, the 2004 version, not the original.
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Post by Sam_BFC on May 6, 2022 10:08:46 GMT -5
I am quite sure that Mail on Sunday disk included live Brian Wilson recordings of Beach Boys songs and some Brian Wilson solo songs. It also included some weird limited number of play BWPS tracks which must have been enforced by some sort of DRM. Not sure if that included Mrs O'Leary's Cow.
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Post by John Manning on May 6, 2022 10:27:21 GMT -5
There was another disc, in (I think) the Sunday Times… I’ll have a dig.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 6, 2022 10:49:31 GMT -5
I wish I could remember more about it other than it was for a musical publication, was the original recording, and Brian did a (new) short explanatory intro for it. People at the time (I want to guess it was on some later iteration of the Smile Shop or the Record Room) were surprised that the original "Fire" had been released in such a low key way, but everyone already had it on bootleg or BWPS form so it wasn't a huge deal. Other than being reasonably sure it happened, I don't have any helpful info and was hoping someone else could fill in the blanks, so I'll stop talking about it. By any chance, you wouldn't happen to be thinking of the 10-track promo CD included with the U.K. publication Mail On Sunday, coinciding with the release of BWPS? That contained Brian Wilson Band recordings of 10 Beach Boys songs, but I can't remember if it included "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" (if so, it was the BWPS version, not the 1966 original). It also got Brian slapped with another lawsuit from Mike, because the CD cover was a shot (or shots) of the Beach Boys, used without their permission. Otherwise, there's a small part of my memory that MIGHT recall a music magazine including the BWPS version shortly after it won the Grammy for "best rock instrumental". But again, the 2004 version, not the original. I always thought Mike Love sued Brian because Beach Boys recordings were included, and Mike thought that giving away Beach Boys recordings lowered the value of the catalog. I didn't know they were Brian's re-recordings of Beach Boys songs. I would think Brian could do whatever he wanted to with his own recordings. (As if Mike selling CDs his own re-recordings of Beach Boys songs at '76 gas stations kept the value of the Beach Boys catalog high!).
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Post by AGD on May 6, 2022 10:55:22 GMT -5
I am quite sure that Mail on Sunday disk included live Brian Wilson recordings of Beach Boys songs and some Brian Wilson solo songs. It also included some weird limited number of play BWPS tracks which must have been enforced by some sort of DRM. Not sure if that included Mrs O'Leary's Cow. "Fire" wasn't included on that.
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Post by AGD on May 6, 2022 11:07:04 GMT -5
There was another disc, in (I think) the Sunday Times… I’ll have a dig. You are correct, sir: dated Feb 04...
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Post by Mikie on May 6, 2022 12:12:01 GMT -5
One of you guys talking about this one?
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Post by John Manning on May 6, 2022 12:41:13 GMT -5
There was another disc, in (I think) the Sunday Times… I’ll have a dig. You are correct, sir: dated Feb 04... That’s the one; couldn’t find my copies. If I recall, it was interactive - links to be clicked etc.
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Post by jds on May 6, 2022 15:09:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna say I wouldn't discount JDS idea here, and going on memory, and nothing to show to say I know otherwise. I remember something about this, was it in some Musician's or Music Production Making magazine? There have been 'tonnes' of these types of magazines produced over the years that it would not surprise me something like this is easy enough to fall through the cracks. Yeah, something like that. Makes more sense that Guitar World! I'm glad someone else has a vague memory pointing in the same direction. Even if I'm wrong on some particular, I'm not completely nuts.
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Post by craigslowinski on May 6, 2022 18:43:08 GMT -5
One of you guys talking about this one? <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button><button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Yes, this is the one I was referring to.
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