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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 9:16:48 GMT -5
When this record was announced, I had a throwback '68 moment.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Sept 22, 2021 10:36:54 GMT -5
Good catch. My understanding is the Richard Carpenter project came first, and on completion, the Decca execs sat back and said “We’ve Only Just Begun!” “Let’s Do it Again. Wouldn’t it Be Nice if we could get Brian Wilson?” Oh, Brother! 😜 |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 22, 2021 13:27:11 GMT -5
It’s hard to believe that That’s Why God Made the Radio is nine years old already. But I think No Pier Pressure is also great, and is only six years old. Just because Brian is putting out an album revisiting his songs on piano is not proof he still can’t produce something great. But at age 79, maybe he doesn’t want to! The album may have been released six years ago, but a lot of the material dates from the late 90s. I find the general distaste for "Runaway Dancer" amusing because it's really not that different to "Talk Of The Town", its original incarnation. As for the album itself, it's not aged well, and has always suffered from being what it was supposed to be, but isn't: a Beach Boys album. I’ve always liked runaway dancer. Fun track. Also, I’m feeling sad is probably one of the most revealing BW tracks since the mid 90s, even if it suffers from the terrible Joe Thomas production, it sounds like the same man who produced I’d Love Just Once to See You, just older and wiser. I also don’t hate the collaborations as much as other people do, even if I believe that the featured artists should actually be the lead artists, and the songs would fit better on their own albums. No, the songs that really, really bother me are the overly dramatic, lyrically pointless ones like What Ever Happened and Tell Me Why. Oh, and of course Our Special Love and The Last Song are just bottom of the barrel awful. Honestly The Last Song might just be my least favorite song connected to any Beach Boy, just leaves an awful taste in my mouth and a terrible ringing in my head. |
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 23, 2021 18:47:40 GMT -5
No need or desire to when he's got many fans who just salivate over everything he puts out. |
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Post by E on Sept 24, 2021 3:21:18 GMT -5
No need or desire to when he's got many fans who just salivate over everything he puts out. Not what I meant. |
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Post by ohm on Sept 24, 2021 13:14:22 GMT -5
Yes, on an official tracklist they actually did call it Mt Vernon Farewell. Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. |
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Post by AGD on Sept 24, 2021 13:45:18 GMT -5
Yes, on an official tracklist they actually did call it Mt Vernon Farewell. Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. In this instance, Decca originated the idea. |
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Post by Autotune on Sept 24, 2021 15:29:42 GMT -5
Yes, on an official tracklist they actually did call it Mt Vernon Farewell. Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. Fair enough. But how do you know that he wants to do something organic? And why would he want to do something organic? I mean, given that this piano recording is not organic enough. He never does organic; there’s no such thing in BW world since… when? Never, probably. I think questioning his involvement or enthusiasm for his projects has been pointless for the last 35 years at least. He does what he does. Sometimes he leads, sometimes he sits on the passenger’s seat, sometimes he is (voluntarily, I guess) pulled or pushed into things. But one key element is this: he is always helped. A LOT. That’s the way a BW production is; there is no other alternate way. BW receives various degrees or help from his collaborators. He hasn’t played an entire song by himself at the piano who knows for how many years. He gets distracted, anxious, bored, whatever and stops midway through song. Always. The COVID RS piano renditions of Do It Again and Love and Mercy being charming, if timid, exceptions. Now, if he usually doesn’t play songs all the way through by himself, it was a given that this piano solo album would feature an intensive cut and paste job. I don’t know. I got tired of questioning his involvement. Or the authenticity of his music. It has become pointless. It is what it is. What were his words during the Party! sessions? “Manufacturing a spontaneous mood”? That’s it, I guess. |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 24, 2021 23:51:57 GMT -5
Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. In this instance, Decca originated the idea. Yup. 'Decca' have always been a high detailed label with precision artists and quality recordings. Even now.
The label is still big in Jazz and Classical, which makes me really interested to have a party like 'Decca' come along and
maybe present something new to the table for 'Brian Wilson'. They usually have an excellent product at the end too, including nice artwork, quality graphics, high end audio. I'm very excited to want to hear the vinyl when it's released, because it should be an A grade quality press. I know everybody is not keen on it, but I think it's a nice move on Brian's behalf.
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Post by E on Sept 25, 2021 5:02:34 GMT -5
I think questioning his involvement or enthusiasm for his projects has been pointless for the last 35 years at least. He does what he does. Sometimes he leads, sometimes he sits on the passenger’s seat, sometimes he is (voluntarily, I guess) pulled or pushed into things. But one key element is this: he is always helped. A LOT. That’s the way a BW production is; there is no other alternate way. BW receives various degrees or help from his collaborators. He hasn’t played an entire song by himself at the piano who knows for how many years. When he's been filmed and we've seen it - though I largely agree with the rest of your post |
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 25, 2021 5:37:15 GMT -5
Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. Fair enough. But how do you know that he wants to do something organic? And why would he want to do something organic? I mean, given that this piano recording is not organic enough. He never does organic; there’s no such thing in BW world since… when? Never, probably. I think questioning his involvement or enthusiasm for his projects has been pointless for the last 35 years at least. He does what he does. Sometimes he leads, sometimes he sits on the passenger’s seat, sometimes he is (voluntarily, I guess) pulled or pushed into things. But one key element is this: he is always helped. A LOT. That’s the way a BW production is; there is no other alternate way. BW receives various degrees or help from his collaborators. He hasn’t played an entire song by himself at the piano who knows for how many years. He gets distracted, anxious, bored, whatever and stops midway through song. Always. The COVID RS piano renditions of Do It Again and Love and Mercy being charming, if timid, exceptions. Now, if he usually doesn’t play songs all the way through by himself, it was a given that this piano solo album would feature an intensive cut and paste job. I don’t know. I got tired of questioning his involvement. Or the authenticity of his music. It has become pointless. It is what it is. What were his words during the Party! sessions? “Manufacturing a spontaneous mood”? That’s it, I guess. That’s really funny -“manufacturing a spontaneous mood.” 😂 |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 25, 2021 15:59:41 GMT -5
Yes, on an official tracklist they actually did call it Mt Vernon Farewell. Maybe it's a new piece of the Fairytale or something? I find myself wondering who puts these release ideas out there. Gershwin, Disney, this...... Did Brian think "I know what I want to do....." (and if so why wasn't he advised otherwise) or did other vested interests and the dreaded 'stakeholders' come at it from a "how easily can we make some quick cash out of this guy and his material" angle? The publishers of all the hits will certainly do well out of it. Far better than Brian's reputation will anyhow. Ever concerned for BW's wellbeing, it kinda grinds my gears, given he's an easily exploitable 79 year old golden goose with a fifty-five year history of not necessarily being best placed to look after himself and his own affairs. I think I've said elsewhere, either leave the guy alone or let him do something organic, without a cast of hundreds of co-writers, co-producers, session players, 'executive producers' and so on. That's my take. Apologies if it sounds a bit negative, but it seems to me there are so many other things Brian could be doing in his sunset years. Pretty sure that Gershwin was Brian‘s idea, but Disney was a contractual obligation... from Disney. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 25, 2021 16:09:41 GMT -5
Whenever the topic of Brian‘s post Landy career is brought up, I can’t help but think about this clip of Hal.
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 25, 2021 20:16:03 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. Attachments:
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 25, 2021 22:18:44 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. It's like they've been around forever, but you rarely hear about them now. A lot of the last 'Seekers' concerts/albums have been released on Decca, and they always come up with the 'goods'.
Being an Aussie, we had a lot of Decca releases here from the 50's onwards. I've quite a bunch of these blue and gold style 45's, and they are big sounding quality records. We had a lot of Winfred Atwell records here too, she must have been a big seller, as you can still find
her records in every other second hand shop. Of course in Rock/Pop, the 'Stones' pretty well owned the label. I love the earlyish LP label designs, I hope Decca do something sophisticated like this for the Brian release:
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Post by gerry on Sept 27, 2021 11:06:16 GMT -5
Everybody loves Hal BlaineI don't think he has ever let the truth get in the way of a good story
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Post by gerry on Sept 27, 2021 11:14:46 GMT -5
Well, after reading this entire thread there is only one conclusion I can come to: both Brian Wilson and Joe Thomas need to be eliminated
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Post by Mikie on Sept 27, 2021 12:31:11 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. When I think of Decca, I think about The Beatles' audition, the recordings, and the big missed opportunity to sign them. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 27, 2021 12:55:48 GMT -5
Everybody loves Hal BlaineI don't think he has ever let the truth get in the way of a good story I mean, you can hear both versions, and tell that Hal was telling the truth here. Original with Brian lead vocal: Original with his daughters lead vocal, not sure which one and don’t feel like looking: Final officially released version, with Joe Thomas vomit all over it: |
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 28, 2021 23:38:36 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. When I think of Decca, I think about The Beatles' audition, the recordings, and the big missed opportunity to sign them. Maybe that explains why they signed The Who later on. Or maybe not. I can't explain. |
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 28, 2021 23:40:25 GMT -5
Everybody loves Hal BlaineI don't think he has ever let the truth get in the way of a good story I mean, you can hear both versions, and tell that Hal was telling the truth here. Original with Brian lead vocal: Original with his daughters lead vocal, not sure which one and don’t feel like looking: Final officially released version, with Joe Thomas vomit all over it: There's a demo that has Brian singing with Wendy, she's the one with the higher, girly voice. A second demo has mostly Carnie and Wendy singing, with Brian in some parts. Either of those would be preferable to what was released. |
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 29, 2021 0:20:51 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. The remnants of Decca got picked up by Polydor post '73 and eventually UME picked it in their big globe grab. Capitol - UME DECCA - UME EMI - UME Probably everything - UME |
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 29, 2021 0:22:45 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. It's like they've been around forever, but you rarely hear about them now. A lot of the last 'Seekers' concerts/albums have been released on Decca, and they always come up with the 'goods'.
Being an Aussie, we had a lot of Decca releases here from the 50's onwards. I've quite a bunch of these blue and gold style 45's, and they are big sounding quality records. We had a lot of Winfred Atwell records here too, she must have been a big seller, as you can still find
her records in every other second hand shop. Of course in Rock/Pop, the 'Stones' pretty well owned the label. I love the earlyish LP label designs, I hope Decca do something sophisticated like this for the Brian release:
Nice one - they also punched out records under the London Label in the UK, due to some weird business shit between Decca UK and Decca USA. |
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Post by Custom Machine on Sept 29, 2021 2:49:09 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. Yeah, I'd thought Decca was long gone as well. As you say, in the US in the early to mid-seventies Decca was absorbed into MCA, which became a part of UME. But thanks for posting the pic of the "Rick Nelson in Concert" label on Decca from late 1969 - one of my favorite albums from the sixties. In fact a favorite album from any era. The two CD expanded edition, "Rick Nelson In Concert - The Troubadour, 1969," is still available from Ace Records and is highly recommended. |
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 29, 2021 23:19:35 GMT -5
I didn't even know the Decca label was still alive - thought it had been absorbed by MCA back in 1973. When I think of Decca, I think of records like this. Yeah, I'd thought Decca was long gone as well. As you say, in the US in the early to mid-seventies Decca was absorbed into MCA, which became a part of UME. But thanks for posting the pic of the "Rick Nelson in Concert" label on Decca from late 1969 - one of my favorite albums from the sixties. In fact a favorite album from any era. The two CD expanded edition, "Rick Nelson In Concert - The Troubadour, 1969," is still available from Ace Records and is highly recommended. That double cd set was a godsend. Rumour has it that there is a 50th anniversary Garden Party set due next year. Hope they have some unreleased material to include, even if it's just more concert recordings. Rick always had a great band with him. |
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