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Post by Moon Dawg on Sept 19, 2021 17:49:02 GMT -5
So unless there is a public "demand" for a certain kind of product, it really shouldn't exist? Ah, capitalism at its finest. Brian Wilson has earned the right to release whatever he likes. Seems like a nice project. I don't know enough about music to say whether this is Brian playing or not. GOK sounds "less rough" than what I would associate w/ his usual style. If "they" say it is Brian and it is not, said ruse will be exposed. But I believe them. If Brian doesn't have a capitalist backer nothing gets done or out to the public. No 60's success, no Pet Sounds, no Sunflower or Surf's Up, maybe even no Beach Boys if they never get a capitalist record company to sign them. Brian is damn thankful that someone paid him millions to create beautiful, timeless music. It gave him fame and fortune, along with his brothers, cousin and rest of the band. Capitalist concert halls and arenas paid these guys to come play and supplied them with a living while performing their wonderful music. Capitalism has worked quite well for Brian, the Beach Boys and thousands of other performers who found fame and fortune over the last 100 years. As we have been discussing with Feel Flows, it was that capitalist up front money that paid for all of the sessions that produced all that music that we are enjoying today. I believe in capitalism. An engine of creativity and commerce, all good. Critiquing it around the edges here and there does not make me a socialist. (Not that anyone said I was, and who cares if someone did.) If taken to absurdist extreme, pure capitalism causes the group to lose their record deals after FRIENDS and SUNFLOWER are rejected in the marketplace, never to be heard from again. At best, we find a balance between art and commerce. |
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Post by Moon Dawg on Sept 19, 2021 17:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Sept 19, 2021 17:59:28 GMT -5
If Brian doesn't have a capitalist backer nothing gets done or out to the public. No 60's success, no Pet Sounds, no Sunflower or Surf's Up, maybe even no Beach Boys if they never get a capitalist record company to sign them. Brian is damn thankful that someone paid him millions to create beautiful, timeless music. It gave him fame and fortune, along with his brothers, cousin and rest of the band. Capitalist concert halls and arenas paid these guys to come play and supplied them with a living while performing their wonderful music. Capitalism has worked quite well for Brian, the Beach Boys and thousands of other performers who found fame and fortune over the last 100 years. As we have been discussing with Feel Flows, it was that capitalist up front money that paid for all of the sessions that produced all that music that we are enjoying today. I believe in capitalism. An engine of creativity and commerce, all good. Critiquing it around the edges here and there does not make me a socialist. (Not that anyone said I was, and who cares if someone did.) If taken to absurdist extreme, pure capitalism causes the group to lose their record deals after FRIENDS and SUNFLOWER are rejected in the marketplace, never to be heard from again. At best, we find a balance between art and commerce. Capitalism worked to their advantage with the CBS deal. Didn’t the Capitalist claim to have been fu**ed in that deal?  |
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 19, 2021 18:02:24 GMT -5
I believe in capitalism. An engine of creativity and commerce, all good. Critiquing it around the edges here and there does not make me a socialist. (Not that anyone said I was, and who cares if someone did.) If taken to absurdist extreme, pure capitalism causes the group to lose their record deals after FRIENDS and SUNFLOWER are rejected in the marketplace, never to be heard from again. At best, we find a balance between art and commerce. Capitalism worked to their advantage with the CBS deal. Didn’t the Capitalist claim to have been fu**ed in that deal? I think without Capitalism we'd never have gotten rock and roll, or even jazz. The government would have us listening to Tchaikovsky for our own good. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 7:23:48 GMT -5
Not excited about this release.
Regarding capitalism, I'm with Barbara Dane.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 20, 2021 7:29:52 GMT -5
Capitalism worked to their advantage with the CBS deal. Didn’t the Capitalist claim to have been fu**ed in that deal? I think without Capitalism we'd never have gotten rock and roll, or even jazz. The government would have us listening to Tchaikovsky for our own good. Those teenyboppers babysitting or mowing lawns to earn the 3 bucks. Ya- capitalism - not Capitol (records) ism. 😂 |
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 20, 2021 8:43:15 GMT -5
I think without Capitalism we'd never have gotten rock and roll, or even jazz. The government would have us listening to Tchaikovsky for our own good. Those teenyboppers babysitting or mowing lawns to earn the 3 bucks. Ya- capitalism - not Capitol (records) ism. 😂 I paid for most of my records with my paper routes, mowing lawns, and yes, babysitting, as a kid. Then teaching guitar lessons and delivering pizza while in college. On the other hand, college was virtually free back then, paid for by the government, and I had virtually no college loans to pay off. |
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Post by John Manning on Sept 20, 2021 10:04:02 GMT -5
On the other hand, college was virtually free back then, paid for by the government, and I had virtually no college loans to pay off. Gash-darn Commie Fascists, making life too easy fer kids! |
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 20, 2021 10:23:22 GMT -5
Those teenyboppers babysitting or mowing lawns to earn the 3 bucks. Ya- capitalism - not Capitol (records) ism. 😂 I paid for most of my records with my paper routes, mowing lawns, and yes, babysitting, as a kid. Then teaching guitar lessons and delivering pizza while in college. On the other hand, college was virtually free back then, paid for by the government, and I had virtually no college loans to pay off. We gotta dial back a while - maybe 50 years. First, the problem (and I went to a “peasant” state school) is that state schools started stacking irrelevant “fees” that jacked up the price and separated out the actual tuition cost. Second they started overpaying (yes, overpaying) these professors - who worked fewer hours (like 16 hours a week for 300k) and certainly less labor intensively than public school teachers. So the fees ended up being 5x or more than the actual tuition to pay for garbage. I had no school loans, either, - worked full time - to avoid that plague. And, I’m not that inclined to support this whole concept of wiping out student debt and those who signed for it, benefitted from it, and now, don’t want to pay for the education - thinking Uncle Sam should write the check without fixing the structural problems with colleges and universities. Go after the predatory financial sweetheart deal agreements that the schools had. The real problem. If you can’t afford the tuition bill, find another school funding option. Kids are not told about the ramifications of not being able to buy a house, or a car when saddled with debt and that is 100% unethical. (Off my soapbox.) |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 20, 2021 11:09:37 GMT -5
Less of a complaint than an observation. People thinking Brian wasn’t playing on the sample tune are probably just knee jerk assuming that because he barely touches the piano when he performs. Even before AGD and others provided evidence it is Brian, I would have assumed it was because it’s nice but nothing like some concert pianist would sound and it would be a weird thing to fake. My main take away from this release is the craziness over what, ten years or more, when it comes to the Brianista’s… those who have been telling us that Brian is capable and still has it in him to unleash something great again. Well, we’ve had Radio, NPP (a lot of people hated the JT production) and cover albums like Gershwin and Disney. I’m in the minority of people that really likes NPP… I think most of us like Radio, especially the closing suite but that was 10 years ago. This release tells me the case is closed on waiting for something great from Brian. And that’s actually fine as what we’ve had over 60 years was more than enough. Not saying this can’t be a fun listen but when you keep going back to the same well over and over and time isn’t on your side…. I was fortunate enough to hear Brian‘s new songs for the long promised road movie. F**king fantastic, no autotune, no Joe Thomas nastiness, just Brian having fun, sounding very Brian. So to think that Brian can’t produce quality anymore is very false |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 20, 2021 11:26:51 GMT -5
Wow! A totally unexpected present from Brian, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right on the heels of the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music!
Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from our most beloved Beach Boy.
oh...
oh, dear...
...yikes!
And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things. Let me go about this a different way. “Wow! A totally unexpected present from Mike Love, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right before the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music! Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from one of our most beloved Beach Boys. oh... oh, dear... ...yikes! And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things.” Now tell me, why is it a problem to criticize the former, but it’s encouraged to criticize the latter? And for the record, can’t I make a similar post about literally every terrible thing the beach boys have ever released? Summer in Paradise: “damn people criticize it. Guess we can’t have nice things.” Unleash the love: “just be grateful you got anything. This is why we can’t have nice things.” If someone has criticisms, they should be able to criticize, especially if the thing is being offered for money. If Brian was just offering this as a bonus download off of his website or something for completely free, that would be one thing. Then it would be a little less easy to defend the people criticizing. But he’s not, he wants you to pay actual money for his music, so if people have criticisms, then I believe it’s perfectly valid. Same thing with literally any product in the world. |
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Post by B.E. on Sept 20, 2021 11:43:47 GMT -5
I was fortunate enough to hear Brian‘s new songs for the long promised road movie. F**king fantastic, no autotune, no Joe Thomas nastiness, just Brian having fun, sounding very Brian. So to think that Brian can’t produce quality anymore is very false Well, that’s encouraging! I look forward to hearing the new songs and seeing the film. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 12:47:40 GMT -5
Well I like this rock and Little tune with John on the drums and I think anything Mike and Brian do is to be cherished and is wonderful. My only critique is the same old boring critique that I want to see the five surviving Beach Boys sitting around in the studio producing something like this. What's wrong with wanting to see Brian on piano and Mike singing and Bruce on-base and Al on guitar and Dave rocking some surf solos. Anything short of that is by definition not that. quote author=" #JusticeForDonGoldberg" source="/post/45286/thread" timestamp="1632155211"] Wow! A totally unexpected present from Brian, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right on the heels of the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music!
Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from our most beloved Beach Boy.
oh...
oh, dear...
...yikes!
And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things. Let me go about this a different way. “Wow! A totally unexpected present from Mike Love, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right before the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music! Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from one of our most beloved Beach Boys. oh... oh, dear... ...yikes! And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things.” Now tell me, why is it a problem to criticize the former, but it’s encouraged to criticize the latter? And for the record, can’t I make a similar post about literally every terrible thing the beach boys have ever released? Summer in Paradise: “damn people criticize it. Guess we can’t have nice things.” Unleash the love: “just be grateful you got anything. This is why we can’t have nice things.” If someone has criticisms, they should be able to criticize, especially if the thing is being offered for money. If Brian was just offering this as a bonus download off of his website or something for completely free, that would be one thing. Then it would be a little less easy to defend the people criticizing. But he’s not, he wants you to pay actual money for his music, so if people have criticisms, then I believe it’s perfectly valid. Same thing with literally any product in the world. [/quote] |
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 20, 2021 13:12:53 GMT -5
I paid for most of my records with my paper routes, mowing lawns, and yes, babysitting, as a kid. Then teaching guitar lessons and delivering pizza while in college. On the other hand, college was virtually free back then, paid for by the government, and I had virtually no college loans to pay off. We gotta dial back a while - maybe 50 years. First, the problem (and I went to a “peasant” state school) is that state schools started stacking irrelevant “fees” that jacked up the price and separated out the actual tuition cost. Second they started overpaying (yes, overpaying) these professors - who worked fewer hours (like 16 hours a week for 300k) and certainly less labor intensively than public school teachers. So the fees ended up being 5x or more than the actual tuition to pay for garbage. I had no school loans, either, - worked full time - to avoid that plague. And, I’m not that inclined to support this whole concept of wiping out student debt and those who signed for it, benefitted from it, and now, don’t want to pay for the education - thinking Uncle Sam should write the check without fixing the structural problems with colleges and universities. Go after the predatory financial sweetheart deal agreements that the schools had. The real problem. If you can’t afford the tuition bill, find another school funding option. Kids are not told about the ramifications of not being able to buy a house, or a car when saddled with debt and that is 100% unethical. (Off my soapbox.) Agree 100%. |
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Post by Paul JB on Sept 20, 2021 20:03:12 GMT -5
Less of a complaint than an observation. People thinking Brian wasn’t playing on the sample tune are probably just knee jerk assuming that because he barely touches the piano when he performs. Even before AGD and others provided evidence it is Brian, I would have assumed it was because it’s nice but nothing like some concert pianist would sound and it would be a weird thing to fake. My main take away from this release is the craziness over what, ten years or more, when it comes to the Brianista’s… those who have been telling us that Brian is capable and still has it in him to unleash something great again. Well, we’ve had Radio, NPP (a lot of people hated the JT production) and cover albums like Gershwin and Disney. I’m in the minority of people that really likes NPP… I think most of us like Radio, especially the closing suite but that was 10 years ago. This release tells me the case is closed on waiting for something great from Brian. And that’s actually fine as what we’ve had over 60 years was more than enough. Not saying this can’t be a fun listen but when you keep going back to the same well over and over and time isn’t on your side…. I was fortunate enough to hear Brian‘s new songs for the long promised road movie. F**king fantastic, no autotune, no Joe Thomas nastiness, just Brian having fun, sounding very Brian. So to think that Brian can’t produce quality anymore is very false So I’m to believe that Brian has it in him to produce something great even though the last 10 plus years he’s produced nothing great (and I liked Gershwin and NPP but Brian sure as hell didn’t produce them) because you heard some great songs from a documentary that impressed you? Ok. I’ll stand by my comment. The guy capable of producing something great is releasing his same old songs again this time with no attempt at singing. When may I ask is this next great album being released…? Another ten years from now? The last time I saw Brian live in 2019 was the last time I’ll see Brian live. You heard some bleeping great songs… ? … that’s great. I live in the real world not the world I hope exists. Brian gave us enough. I don’t hold out false hope for something many people have been waiting for since 1967. When Brian releases the next great album come back and talk to me. And before the keep it positive patrol come down on me I have no issue with this release. Might be ok for what it is. What it isn’t is what I’ve been told for decades was coming however. I’d rather have the infamous Rock and Roll record and that would not be anything great. |
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Post by smash em now on Sept 21, 2021 9:14:50 GMT -5
As I expressed before, I wasn't overly excited about this album when it was first announced, but I have to say that I've revisited God Only Knows a few times already.
This isn't something that I'll be blasting in the car or around the house, but it could be nice to listen to while working.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 21, 2021 9:33:24 GMT -5
As I expressed before, I wasn't overly excited about this album when it was first announced, but I have to say that I've revisited God Only Knows a few times already. This isn't something that I'll be blasting in the car or around the house, but it could be nice to listen to while working. It came up on my youtube feed this morning. It is emotive. ❤️ 🎹 |
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 21, 2021 12:27:31 GMT -5
It’s hard to believe that That’s Why God Made the Radio is nine years old already. But I think No Pier Pressure is also great, and is only six years old. Just because Brian is putting out an album revisiting his songs on piano is not proof he still can’t produce something great. But at age 79, maybe he doesn’t want to!
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Post by E on Sept 21, 2021 14:11:30 GMT -5
And why should he?
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Post by AGD on Sept 21, 2021 15:16:55 GMT -5
It’s hard to believe that That’s Why God Made the Radio is nine years old already. But I think No Pier Pressure is also great, and is only six years old. Just because Brian is putting out an album revisiting his songs on piano is not proof he still can’t produce something great. But at age 79, maybe he doesn’t want to! The album may have been released six years ago, but a lot of the material dates from the late 90s. I find the general distaste for "Runaway Dancer" amusing because it's really not that different to "Talk Of The Town", its original incarnation. As for the album itself, it's not aged well, and has always suffered from being what it was supposed to be, but isn't: a Beach Boys album. |
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Post by Sam_BFC on Sept 21, 2021 16:50:05 GMT -5
The album may have been released six years ago, but a lot of the material dates from the late 90s. I find the general distaste for "Runaway Dancer" amusing because it's really not that different to "Talk Of The Town", its original incarnation. As for the album itself, it's not aged well, and has always suffered from being what it was supposed to be, but isn't: a Beach Boys album. Does a fairly well developed demo of Talk Of The Town exist from the 90s sessions, or was there an intermediate incarnation between some rough 90s JT tapes and the final release? Much of the distaste seems to stem from the kind-of contemporary Capital Cities style synths and what not, was this present on Talk Of The Town? Italic:
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 21, 2021 17:44:17 GMT -5
Wow! A totally unexpected present from Brian, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right on the heels of the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music!
Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from our most beloved Beach Boy.
oh...
oh, dear...
...yikes!
And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things. Let me go about this a different way. “Wow! A totally unexpected present from Mike Love, recorded during the pandemic! How wonderful! And released right before the most mind-blowing Beach Boys release since the Smile Sessions! What a great time to be a lover of this music! Let me go online and check in with the fans, who surely must be over the moon about receiving this unforeseen gift from one of our most beloved Beach Boys. oh... oh, dear... ...yikes! And so concludes another episode of Why We Can't Have Nice Things.” Now tell me, why is it a problem to criticize the former, but it’s encouraged to criticize the latter? And for the record, can’t I make a similar post about literally every terrible thing the beach boys have ever released? Summer in Paradise: “damn people criticize it. Guess we can’t have nice things.” Unleash the love: “just be grateful you got anything. This is why we can’t have nice things.” If someone has criticisms, they should be able to criticize, especially if the thing is being offered for money. If Brian was just offering this as a bonus download off of his website or something for completely free, that would be one thing. Then it would be a little less easy to defend the people criticizing. But he’s not, he wants you to pay actual money for his music, so if people have criticisms, then I believe it’s perfectly valid. Same thing with literally any product in the world. I believe Ham’s point was not about criticism but around the false claims (that’s not Brian playing, blah blah) about one available track, and the making further assumptions about a to-date released album across Facebook etc. Most of these nay-sayers are using the good old - my ears are evidence, and many fans agree with me - line to substantiate their claims. Constructive and factual criticism is okay, opinion is okay, but spurious reiterations of disproven assumptions as fact are a real problem for any artist and a questionable behaviour of their fans. |
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Post by AGD on Sept 22, 2021 0:49:45 GMT -5
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 22, 2021 2:15:42 GMT -5
Good catch. My understanding is the Richard Carpenter project came first, and on completion, the Decca execs sat back and said “We’ve Only Just Begun!” |
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 22, 2021 7:53:23 GMT -5
Good catch. My understanding is the Richard Carpenter project came first, and on completion, the Decca execs sat back and said “We’ve Only Just Begun!” “Let’s Do it Again. Wouldn’t it Be Nice if we could get Brian Wilson?” |
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