|
Post by filledeplage on May 1, 2024 12:27:28 GMT -5
Was it Brian's or Jack's? I thought it was Brian's, and he had written a crude note on a piece of paper and asked all the guys to sign it. Was it Jack's suggestion to put that concept out there? He was trying to remold the image.
|
|
|
Post by Paul JB on May 1, 2024 19:35:04 GMT -5
we might as well hail 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝐼𝑛 𝑃𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑒 as a triumphant masterpiece of an album. now you’re talkin my language. Summer in Paradise had a bad album cover but it wasn’t pictures of these guys. I’m ready to move on also, but I’ll use one last analogy. The artwork, album cover, movie poster or what have you absolutely IS a means of promoting the medium. It’s supposed to peak peoples interest. Imagine if the original 1977 Star Wars poster had Luke with his tongue sticking out, Han Solo looking stoned, and Leia looking like a bad wax replica of herself…in other words…a stupid looking mess. That poster is worth huge bucks if you can find one….even with the success of the film, that poster wouldn’t be worth squat if it looked stupid. It’s the overall carelessness (it’s not what matters and people keep finding fault with everything attitude)by the people giving us the new BB merch these last number of years that has me not wanting to buy any of it. We keep complaining because those making decisions keep blowing it.
|
|
|
Post by longtime lurker on May 1, 2024 21:00:59 GMT -5
now you’re talkin my language. Summer in Paradise had a bad album cover but it wasn’t pictures of these guys. I’m ready to move on also, but I’ll use one last analogy. The artwork, album cover, movie poster or what have you absolutely IS a means of promoting the medium. It’s supposed to peak peoples interest. Imagine if the original 1977 Star Wars poster had Luke with his tongue sticking out, Han Solo looking stoned, and Leia looking like a bad wax replica of herself…in other words…a stupid looking mess. That poster is worth huge bucks if you can find one….even with the success of the film, that poster wouldn’t be worth squat if it looked stupid. It’s the overall carelessness (it’s not what matters and people keep finding fault with everything attitude)by the people giving us the new BB merch these last number of years that has me not wanting to buy any of it. We keep complaining because those making decisions keep blowing it. "Summer In Paradise had a bad album cover"?! Are you f***ing kidding? FYI, SIP had an extraordinary cover, in fact one of the most spectacular illustrations to appear on a major band's album. Yes, that is a point of view I'd defend to the death if need be, and a hill I'd be glad to die on.
|
|
|
Post by Paul JB on May 1, 2024 23:41:55 GMT -5
Summer in Paradise had a bad album cover but it wasn’t pictures of these guys. I’m ready to move on also, but I’ll use one last analogy. The artwork, album cover, movie poster or what have you absolutely IS a means of promoting the medium. It’s supposed to peak peoples interest. Imagine if the original 1977 Star Wars poster had Luke with his tongue sticking out, Han Solo looking stoned, and Leia looking like a bad wax replica of herself…in other words…a stupid looking mess. That poster is worth huge bucks if you can find one….even with the success of the film, that poster wouldn’t be worth squat if it looked stupid. It’s the overall carelessness (it’s not what matters and people keep finding fault with everything attitude)by the people giving us the new BB merch these last number of years that has me not wanting to buy any of it. We keep complaining because those making decisions keep blowing it. "Summer In Paradise had a bad album cover"?! Are you f***ing kidding? FYI, SIP had an extraordinary cover, in fact one of the most spectacular illustrations to appear on a major band's album. Yes, that is a point of view I'd defend to the death if need be, and a hill I'd be glad to die on. Uuuh…..my pointing out that these posters for the documentary are really bad and stating why is very different than you stating that the SIP cover is one of the most spectacular ever without any reasoning behind your statement other than …. because you say so. The SIP cover looks like something a 15 year old girl picked up at sea world…. My opinion. If you’re willing to die for the SIP album cover then ….well
|
|
|
Post by Paul JB on May 1, 2024 23:54:38 GMT -5
Since we are off topic (sort of) I’ll keep on topic and yet off topic (sort of). Since the C50, I don’t think anything has been great in the world of the BB’s. I think Iconic is blowing it, and I think the fact that David Marks was brought back into the fold and then seemingly cast aside again when the C50 wrapped up was/is in very poor taste. We are getting books and movies that are all roses and anyone with a brain that has cared about this band for decades should be questioning what is going on.
|
|
|
Post by Al S on May 2, 2024 6:32:49 GMT -5
Since we are off topic (sort of) I’ll keep on topic and yet off topic (sort of). Since the C50, I don’t think anything has been great in the world of the BB’s. I think Iconic is blowing it, and I think the fact that David Marks was brought back into the fold and then seemingly cast aside again when the C50 wrapped up was/is in very poor taste. We are getting books and movies that are all roses and anyone with a brain that has cared about this band for decades should be questioning what is going on. I tend to agree with your POV, but, well, even C50 ended up a bit on the ropey side - of the 3 key events: Smile Seshi box, TWGMTR and the tour, only the box got over the line unscathed.
|
|
|
Post by E on May 2, 2024 7:37:20 GMT -5
Well, we'll always have the music. And Paris, of course...
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on May 2, 2024 10:07:25 GMT -5
I can see that this documentary hasn't even premiered yet, and it's off to a great start already with the fans *he says with a hint of sarcasm*. There's a lot of negative comments here right outta the box, with only the trailer and artwork to go on. Shit, give it a chance and watch it first, eh?
|
|
|
Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 2, 2024 12:19:07 GMT -5
I can see that this documentary hasn't even premiered yet, and it's off to a great start already with the fans *he says with a hint of sarcasm*. There's a lot of negative comments here right outta the box, with only the trailer and artwork to go on. Shit, give it a chance and watch it first, eh? I think that most who have posted have only responded to what has been released ahead of the documentary.
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on May 2, 2024 13:05:51 GMT -5
I can see that this documentary hasn't even premiered yet, and it's off to a great start already with the fans *he says with a hint of sarcasm*. There's a lot of negative comments here right outta the box, with only the trailer and artwork to go on. Shit, give it a chance and watch it first, eh? I think that most who have posted have only responded to what has been released ahead of the documentary. It seems like if the trailer and artwork are representative of things to come, we're already doomed to failure, Dirk! Anticipating the arrival of my tickets for “The Beach Boys: Imax Live Experience” and a Q&A with filmmakers and special guests on Tuesday, May 21. I know it's still early, but is anybody else here planning on going?
|
|
|
Post by AGD on May 2, 2024 13:15:15 GMT -5
Since we are off topic (sort of) I’ll keep on topic and yet off topic (sort of). Since the C50, I don’t think anything has been great in the world of the BB’s. I think Iconic is blowing it, and I think the fact that David Marks was brought back into the fold and then seemingly cast aside again when the C50 wrapped up was/is in very poor taste. We are getting books and movies that are all roses and anyone with a brain that has cared about this band for decades should be questioning what is going on. I tend to agree with your POV, but, well, even C50 ended up a bit on the ropey side - of the 3 key events: Smile Seshi box, TWGMTR and the tour, only the box got over the line unscathed. It was a close run thing...
|
|
|
Post by Matt H on May 2, 2024 13:20:06 GMT -5
I think that most who have posted have only responded to what has been released ahead of the documentary. It seems like if the trailer and artwork are representative of things to come, we're already doomed to failure, Dirk! Anticipating the arrival of my tickets for “The Beach Boys: Imax Live Experience” and a Q&A with filmmakers and special guests on Tuesday, May 21. I know it's still early, but is anybody else here planning on going? I'd love to, but it isn't anywhere close to Ohio.
|
|
|
Post by AGD on May 2, 2024 13:21:03 GMT -5
I can see that this documentary hasn't even premiered yet, and it's off to a great start already with the fans *he says with a hint of sarcasm*. There's a lot of negative comments here right outta the box, with only the trailer and artwork to go on. Shit, give it a chance and watch it first, eh? I think that most who have posted have only responded to what has been released ahead of the documentary. Most... but some seem to have inherited the mindset of the legendary Phil Cohen*, by assuming it'll be crap whatever. As Mikie says, wait until you've actually seen the thing in toto, then bitch away. [* it gave me immense pleasure when he pitched a fit complaining the 1967 Smile "advert" (which was nothing of the sort) wasn't included in the released track listing, because I happened to know it was a hidden track. Silly, silly man...]
|
|
|
Post by lonelysummer on May 2, 2024 14:26:38 GMT -5
I think part of the reason we're so grumpy lately is we were promised some great things in celebration of C60; so what did we get? A Grammy salute where the guys showed up, but didn't participate in any meaningful way. A book that only goes up to 1980. A documentary that only goes up to 1974. I think some of us were expecting something more definitive. We can argue all day about whether we were wrong or right to expect these things. We certainly didn't get an onstage reunion.
I guess we're lucky to get anything. My other favorite band, the Kinks, isn't doing anything to celebrate their 60th other than a pair of compilation albums. Albums that don't go past 1975. Anyone detecting a pattern here?
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on May 2, 2024 14:46:43 GMT -5
I guess we're lucky to get anything. Well, yeah. I think we the fans had input to the various unreleased studio and live tracks (and a lot more) that was eventually released on various comps and boxed sets over the years. As far as the documentaries, we've obviously had less to say about it. Beggars can't be choosers as they say.
|
|
|
Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 2, 2024 16:06:38 GMT -5
I think that most who have posted have only responded to what has been released ahead of the documentary. Most... but some seem to have inherited the mindset of the legendary Phil Cohen*, by assuming it'll be crap whatever. As Mikie says, wait until you've actually seen the thing in toto, then bitch away. [* it gave me immense pleasure when he pitched a fit complaining the 1967 Smile "advert" (which was nothing of the sort) wasn't included in the released track listing, because I happened to know it was a hidden track. Silly, silly man...] I hear you. I remember the interaction with Phil Cohen. I’m holding off judgment, because frankly, there is nothing to judge. But, I will say that if the same thought that was put into the advertising, then I don’t have great expectations. Honestly, I haven’t been thrilled with anything released so far, involving Iconic.
|
|
|
Post by mfp on May 2, 2024 21:15:00 GMT -5
Mentioning "The definitive look at America's band" & "6 decades" in the trailer wasn't the wisest move, considering.
|
|
|
Post by Paul JB on May 2, 2024 23:28:33 GMT -5
Since we are off topic (sort of) I’ll keep on topic and yet off topic (sort of). Since the C50, I don’t think anything has been great in the world of the BB’s. I think Iconic is blowing it, and I think the fact that David Marks was brought back into the fold and then seemingly cast aside again when the C50 wrapped up was/is in very poor taste. We are getting books and movies that are all roses and anyone with a brain that has cared about this band for decades should be questioning what is going on. I tend to agree with your POV, but, well, even C50 ended up a bit on the ropey side - of the 3 key events: Smile Seshi box, TWGMTR and the tour, only the box got over the line unscathed. The C50 was stellar. It surpassed expectations. The best of both Brian and Mikes bands. The tribute to Dennis and Carl. David Marx back in the fold where he belongs. A fantastic set list. Some great new songs. That is what has been missing ever since then. I’ll bitch about crap advertisements, poorly mixed box sets, books with a handful of new pictures and nothing more, a pointless documentary with Brian in someone’s car. At the end of the day it’s probably in part just a case of been there done that for me… and others here I’m sure. I’ve been a fan since 1974 and the definitive new documentary ends where my fan hood began. I’m sure it’s ok overall … but I don’t need to see it to know it will fall short of what it should’ve, would’ve, could’ve been. There is a way to please both Joe Q. Public and lifelong fans at the same time, and the current crop of power brokers involved these last number of years isn’t getting if done.
|
|
|
Post by Awesoman on May 3, 2024 7:47:08 GMT -5
I tend to agree with your POV, but, well, even C50 ended up a bit on the ropey side - of the 3 key events: Smile Seshi box, TWGMTR and the tour, only the box got over the line unscathed. The C50 was stellar. It surpassed expectations. The best of both Brian and Mikes bands. The tribute to Dennis and Carl. David Marx back in the fold where he belongs. A fantastic set list. Some great new songs. That is what has been missing ever since then. I’ll bitch about crap advertisements, poorly mixed box sets, books with a handful of new pictures and nothing more, a pointless documentary with Brian in someone’s car. At the end of the day it’s probably in part just a case of been there done that for me… and others here I’m sure. I’ve been a fan since 1974 and the definitive new documentary ends where my fan hood began. I’m sure it’s ok overall … but I don’t need to see it to know it will fall short of what it should’ve, would’ve, could’ve been. There is a way to please both Joe Q. Public and lifelong fans at the same time, and the current crop of power brokers involved these last number of years isn’t getting if done. I hear you and you are certainly free to voice your concerns, but I'm not exactly sure what it is that you and others are expecting here and not getting. Because at the end of the day we're talking about a 60+ year old band that whom in the last few years alone received several exhaustive box sets (two of which were focused on the band's lesser-known material), several documentaries (one on Brian and the forthcoming one on the band), a high profile tribute concert last year and their music continues to be a part of pop culture popping up in popular movies and shows such as 𝐵𝑎𝑟𝑏𝑖𝑒 and 𝑆𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠. I'm sure there's always room for improvement but the band's legacy seems to be doing pretty well all things considered. They're definitely far better represented today than some of the other bands from their era such as The Left Banke, The Turtles, The Grass Roots, etc. Perhaps the glass doesn't need to be blindly half-full but it certainly doesn't need to be half-empty either.
|
|
|
Post by longtime lurker on May 3, 2024 8:39:35 GMT -5
The C50 was stellar. It surpassed expectations. The best of both Brian and Mikes bands. The tribute to Dennis and Carl. David Marx back in the fold where he belongs. A fantastic set list. Some great new songs. That is what has been missing ever since then. I’ll bitch about crap advertisements, poorly mixed box sets, books with a handful of new pictures and nothing more, a pointless documentary with Brian in someone’s car. At the end of the day it’s probably in part just a case of been there done that for me… and others here I’m sure. I’ve been a fan since 1974 and the definitive new documentary ends where my fan hood began. I’m sure it’s ok overall … but I don’t need to see it to know it will fall short of what it should’ve, would’ve, could’ve been. There is a way to please both Joe Q. Public and lifelong fans at the same time, and the current crop of power brokers involved these last number of years isn’t getting if done. I hear you and you are certainly free to voice your concerns, but I'm not exactly sure what it is that you and others are expecting here and not getting. Because at the end of the day we're talking about a 60+ year old band that whom in the last few years alone received several exhaustive box sets (two of which were focused on the band's lesser-known material), several documentaries (one on Brian and the forthcoming one on the band), a high profile tribute concert last year and their music continues to be a part of pop culture popping up in popular movies and shows such as 𝐵𝑎𝑟𝑏𝑖𝑒 and 𝑆𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠. I'm sure there's always room for improvement but the band's legacy seems to be doing pretty well all things considered. They're definitely far better represented today than some of the other bands from their era such as The Left Banke, The Turtles, The Grass Roots, etc. Perhaps the glass doesn't need to be blindly half-full but it certainly doesn't need to be half-empty either. I'd very much like to see books on the scale of the new Genesis BB volume devoted to bands like the Left Banke and the Turtles. Is that an idea that has ANY chance of becoming a reality? Almost certainly not....but then again, who in the early 1980s would have believed that a volume like Andrew Sandoval's massive revised Monkees Day By Day would have ever been published?
|
|
|
Post by Paul JB on May 3, 2024 19:50:40 GMT -5
At this point what I’m looking for is some answers before the rest of the guys are no longer with us. And I had also hoped these guys could work things out by this point in their senior years where bygones would be bygones. Apparently it will never happen. What’s bugging me is that a lot of myths and fallacy could be cleared up if the guys still with us were willing to clear them up. I think any book or documentary at this point should not try so hard to stay clear of unpleasant stuff. Not saying they need to hang dirty laundry out for the sake of it but the Beach Boys story is more impressive when people get the real picture.
Answers you say..? What do you mean..?
Example: I would have loved it if at some point the guys were all together and Mike and Brian could have a truthful open discussion about why Smile was shelved.
Why you ask..?
Answer: because the legacy will be all the better if The Beach Boys themselves speak the truth and it’s documented, rather than Fools go on for years to come… spinning their own biased tales.
I’ve also for some reason been increasingly irritated the last couple of years that neither Mike nor Brian could fit David Marks into their acts. None of my business.. yes I get that.. but it didn’t seem right. It was great to see him at the C50… with Carl and Dennis gone it was really special. It hit me watching the tribute show last year in particular.
I could ramble on but I’ll save it for a more appropriate thread.
|
|
|
Post by newbbfan on May 3, 2024 21:09:47 GMT -5
Smile was shelved because A Brian was on drugs or, answer B, because Mike hated the trippy lyrics. As we learned in the great John Ford classic the Man Who Shot Liberty valance, when the legend becomes truth, print the legend.
There are no answers.
|
|
|
Post by Awesoman on May 5, 2024 12:31:50 GMT -5
Smile was shelved because A Brian was on drugs or, answer B, because Mike hated the trippy lyrics. As we learned in the great John Ford classic the Man Who Shot Liberty valance, when the legend becomes truth, print the legend. There are no answers. Yeah the whole 𝑆𝑀𝑖𝐿𝐸 debacle has been pretty well-documented over why it collapsed. I highly doubt there is still any unearthed information over it that would somehow turn the whole story on its head. As for David Marks' involvement with the band, he did tour with Brian and Al when they were on the road with Jeff Beck. Perhaps he was unavailable for their subsequent tours or even disinterested in participating.
|
|
|
Post by newbbfan on May 5, 2024 15:53:26 GMT -5
When I had the honor at the Coach House of talking to Al last year I almost asked him, Al why don't you get Dave to play with you? Al was at that point telling me about his failed attempt to get a reunion together at the grammy tribute and about his working on an album with Brian and Blondie which never seems to have occurred.
But I wish I had asked him directly just to have Dave back with him because Dave is a Surf City all star and the whole thing seems all in the family. With Al's chops on the guitar not doing very well he certainly should bring in his fellow Beach Boy to be part of that band and it would be fantastic. Probyn who is a wonderful gentleman and a great multi-instrumentalist was playing guitar for him last year I think filling in at the last minute and it would be really wonderful to have Dave step into the role and play the actual parts that me and Carl played on the original records.
If I thought I could reach out to Alan some way I would tell him to call Dave and anticipation of this year's show at the coach house. And in any case I'll feel much better when I see a confirmation that Dave is part of the Paradise Cove crew because I haven't seen that exactly written down yet or at least I don't remember and if there is indeed some footage of all the surviving Beach Boys singing and playing guitar then I'd be very happy. Remaining open-minded and looking forward to the documentary and hope to be at that Premiere in Torrance.
|
|
|
Post by Matt H on May 15, 2024 10:31:42 GMT -5
Is there any news about a soundtrack for this documentary and what the track listing would be?
|
|