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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 11, 2020 13:44:42 GMT -5
when the discussion turns to cheeseburger songs. "I used to write on pills... I used to like that effect. In fact, I'd like to take uppers now and write because they give me, you know,a certain lift and a certain outlook. And it's not an unnatural thing. I mean the pill might be unnatural and the energy, but the song itself doesn't turn out unnatural on the uppers.The creativity flows through. I'm thinking of asking the doctor if I can go back to those, yeah." ~ Brian, 1976So, cheeseburgers or pills, you decide. I gave it an 8/10 last time. I still think that.I believe it was a lot more than pills that he use to write on. And I'm tellin' ya the truth here, it continued well into Landy's first tenure. Oh, I know. Wasn't just coffee... even when he was with the minders in tow. This a KJR Seattle interview in 1976. Sounds like he just turned up and went 'alive"!
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Post by sunflower on Jul 11, 2020 13:57:04 GMT -5
Hard to give a numerical rating to it but it's a very catchy song to be honest! I know some people find the lyrics "creepy", but I see it as tongue in cheek and knowingly off-putting, like a less crude Oingo Boingo's "Little Girls".
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 11, 2020 14:08:02 GMT -5
Pff, a veritable can of worms! Not quite as bad as the demo so I'll give it a 1. We're talking 1978 for this release, not WW1, WW2 and associated female emancipation into the workforce, nor even the 1960s and the rise of Women's Lib. If centuries-old actions can be examined under the lens of 2020, then surely this can be too. fille, I think you're paying homage to tomboys in general, which is absolutely fine, but this song is not doing that, in my opinion It is flattering to see that post re-quoted. Thanks...But, I think it is important to know who the intended audience is to determine whether it is ill-willed or not. Whom did Brian - the artist intend to speak to? Was he speaking to the present? Hell, no. I think he was speaking to his past. My kids would not get this and might think that it was lecherous, but that is the difference between those generations. A lot of it is anachronistic. He talks about shaving legs. Today it could sound voyeuristic. Then, it is just man-cave gossip. And, mostly, wishful thinking. The Waltz is an anachronism if you did not live it. That was just life back then. The ebb and flow of the times. It is why they are successful - a lot of what they have written is tapped-into eras that may no longer exist, alongside lyrics that can be considered timeless with no expiration date. And, there were not even razors made for women until sometime in the late 60's and 70's and I doubt that was even on his radar. Brian grew up in a house of boys! His mother was outnumbered. What is Brian's lens? The easy way out is to say - Sexist! Misogynist! Or, even Dirty Old Man! Just write the song off?...but, I don't see it as those aforementioned pejoratives - so as not to unpack who he intends as his audience and Brian's frame-of-reference. Malicious? I don't think so. All in how you look at it.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 11, 2020 14:40:51 GMT -5
I believe it was a lot more than pills that he use to write on. And I'm tellin' ya the truth here, it continued well into Landy's first tenure. Oh, I know. Wasn't just coffee... even when he was with the minders in tow. This a KJR Seattle interview in 1976. Sounds like he just turned up and went 'alive"! Wow, I'd never heard that before, Will. Check out the Mike Douglas interview from '76. Also a mile a minute!
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 11, 2020 16:11:50 GMT -5
Pff, a veritable can of worms! Not quite as bad as the demo so I'll give it a 1. We're talking 1978 for this release, not WW1, WW2 and associated female emancipation into the workforce, nor even the 1960s and the rise of Women's Lib. If centuries-old actions can be examined under the lens of 2020, then surely this can be too. fille, I think you're paying homage to tomboys in general, which is absolutely fine, but this song is not doing that, in my opinion It is flattering to see that post re-quoted. Thanks...But, I think it is important to know who the intended audience is to determine whether it is ill-willed or not. Whom did Brian - the artist intend to speak to? Was he speaking to the present? Hell, no. I think he was speaking to his past. My kids would not get this and might think that it was lecherous, but that is the difference between those generations. A lot of it is anachronistic. He talks about shaving legs. Today it could sound voyeuristic. Then, it is just man-cave gossip. And, mostly, wishful thinking. The Waltz is an anachronism if you did not live it. That was just life back then. The ebb and flow of the times. It is why they are successful - a lot of what they have written is tapped-into eras that may no longer exist, alongside lyrics that can be considered timeless with no expiration date. And, there were not even razors made for women until sometimes in the late 60's and 70's and I doubt that was even on his radar. Brian grew up in a house of boys! His mother was outnumbered. What is Brian's lens? The easy way out is to say - Sexist! Misogynist! Or, even Dirty Old Man! Just write the song off?...but, I don't see it as those aforementioned pejoratives - so as not to unpack who he intends as his audience and Brian's frame-of-reference. Malicious? I don't think so. All in how you look at it. I re-posted those out of love. I remember the Sock Hop '60s/dating in Junior High times well. I believe Brian wrote the song in a sincere fashion. The Bob Harris interview from 1976 is in my Top 5 Brian interviews, ever. He doesn't seem loaded on anything. Everybody should watch the whole thing. Nice of Will C. to break some of it into quotable clips for different songs.
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 17:12:56 GMT -5
Gnnnnnggggg…
I completely understand why this rubs some people up the wrong way (am I allowed to phrase it like that?) – it has a creepiness matched (IMHO) only by All Dressed Up For School and Lazy Lizzie… but y'know when I first heard this toon in my mid-teens I'd had a crush on a lass who was something on a tomboy, one that lasted years, so as a kid I could relate to this song.
Prefer the MIU version without all that crap about shaving a girl's legs – that's a no-no, right? There was a lad at school whose mum had him shave her legs – the rest of us just gagged as he talked about it. John Manning, stop it! What, did you go to Borstal Bad Boys School's Northern campus?
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 17:16:57 GMT -5
If this had been released in 1963 - with these lyrics - it would have been all right. 2 Hmmm, you may be right.
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 17:24:13 GMT -5
Pff, a veritable can of worms! Not quite as bad as the demo so I'll give it a 1. We're talking 1978 for this release, not WW1, WW2 and associated female emancipation into the workforce, nor even the 1960s and the rise of Women's Lib. If centuries-old actions can be examined under the lens of 2020, then surely this can be too. fille, I think you're paying homage to tomboys in general, which is absolutely fine, but this song is not doing that, in my opinion.Well said! Fille, I love what you've said about being a Tomboy and the opportunities you pursued via the persona - it sounds fantastic and you've obviously made the best of what you fought for. As a result, I really like the concept and image of Tomboy within its historical context and the positive legacy it left for women of all colour the globe over (with a long way still to go in some nations, unfortunately). However, the creepy beardy-weirdies kinda missed the point, big time! A shame you weren't there to give them a paddling!
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 11, 2020 17:24:46 GMT -5
Brian... would he have wrote a song like this in 1963?
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Post by sunflower on Jul 11, 2020 18:19:06 GMT -5
Brian... would he have wrote a song like this in 1963? "Don't Hurt My Little Tomboy"
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 11, 2020 18:33:13 GMT -5
Pff, a veritable can of worms! Not quite as bad as the demo so I'll give it a 1. We're talking 1978 for this release, not WW1, WW2 and associated female emancipation into the workforce, nor even the 1960s and the rise of Women's Lib. If centuries-old actions can be examined under the lens of 2020, then surely this can be too. fille, I think you're paying homage to tomboys in general, which is absolutely fine, but this song is not doing that, in my opinion.Well said! Fille, I love what you've said about being a Tomboy and the opportunities you pursued via the persona - it sounds fantastic and you've obviously made the best of what you fought for. As a result, I really like the concept and image of Tomboy within its historical context and the positive legacy it left for women of all colour the globe over (with a long way still to go in some nations, unfortunately). However, the creepy beardy-weirdies kinda missed the point, big time! A shame you weren't there to give them a paddling! That is funny! One of my grandmothers raised 6 kids during the Depression as a widow who took over her husband's business - so I had great role models for independence as a kid. (She watched Lawrence Welk every Saturday night!) It never occurred to me that I could not do what boys did and during a time when occupational roles were well defined. Teacher, nurse, social worker-if you went to college! That did change fast in the 60's. A big mistake is applying an old lens for issues that are contemporary. Maybe it is a kind of time travel, but the standards for every era are very fluid. Even Disney Girls is a look back using a time-specific lens. And, I think Tomboy is the version of man-gossip. I have sons and their friends hung out as young adults and I was that fly-on-the-wall (supervising!) and they give new meaning to sounding like a bunch of "old ladies."
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 18:35:58 GMT -5
Brian... would he have wrote a song like this in 1963? "Don't Hurt My Little Tomboy" LOL. Don't forget, Girl Don't Punch Me from SD(& SN!) a couple of years later.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 11, 2020 19:08:42 GMT -5
Brian... would he have wrote a song like this in 1963? How about 1964? 'All Dressed Up For School'. Close enough.
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Post by mfp on Jul 11, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
Somebody thought it was worthy enough as the B side to the Holly cover.
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 19:38:51 GMT -5
Somebody thought it was worthy enough as the B side to the Holly cover.
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Yay, mfp's out of bed and voted, time to close the poll! Big night, Mark?
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 19:46:16 GMT -5
Hey Little Tomboy, put down your gavel as you preside over the US Supreme Court, I got something to say to you: the votes are split, which I think is the same result as the A/C version, no real suprise:
0 - 3 votes 1 - 2 votes 2 - 1 vote 4 - 1 vote 5 - 2 votes
7 - 5 votes 8 - 3 votes 9 - 1 vote
Phew! Next!
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 21:36:24 GMT -5
Today we Discuss &, cough, rate Kona Coast.
One day, after working hard at the studio, Mike and Al returned home and fell into a deep slumber. They dreamed they were both successful Hawaiian real estate developers who had just launched a new housing project, and in order to promote the new development they agreed to leverage their shared pastime cum hobby of performing in a Beach Boys covers band at Big Maui's beer shack every Sunday afternoon of the tourist season, and write a catchy song to attract potential buyers and investors.
Waking abruptly and not wanting to lose the inspiration, Al quickly jotted down the chords of a folk song he was listening to on the radio - Mike later phoned in the words while driving to the studio; thus Kona Coast was delivered to the waiting world.
I hope that's what happened as I cannot imagine any other scenario that would have inspired them to write and then execute this bland self imitation.
3, 1 point for each of the principles for showing up, at least.
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Post by Al S on Jul 11, 2020 21:38:45 GMT -5
Hi, Will here - I'm partying down and can't make it to the board today (in a sober fashion), so I've asked Alan to record a 3 for this tune, noting I prefer Louie Louie to this guff - cheers, Will.
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Post by kds on Jul 11, 2020 22:13:03 GMT -5
8. I really enjoy this song. Its a fun summery song, and I dig the call backs to the song Hawaii
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Post by E on Jul 12, 2020 4:09:32 GMT -5
Awful. Let's pretend we're a BB cover band and do stuff with a 1964 vibe, only it's already been done. Better. By us. Go figure. 1.
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Post by jk on Jul 12, 2020 6:54:35 GMT -5
Awful. Let's pretend we're a BB cover band and do stuff with a 1964 vibe, only it's already been done. Better. By us. Go figure. 1. The words "barrel", "bottom" and "scraping" come readily to mind, not necessarily in that order. I'm beginning to realize that scores below six might be useful after all!! One. Ooohh--now that felt quite good!
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Post by Autotune on Jul 12, 2020 7:25:31 GMT -5
Art imitates art.
The falsetto “go to Hawaii”s sound like Mickey Mouse with a sore throat. Brian imitating Mike imitating Brian. A most subtle allusion to the early days. The coda sounds fine, though.
Meanwhile, Mike imitates Mike, coming up with a forced, lifeless double-tracked lead, miles away from the cool and relaxed self-confidence he conveyed until... one track ago. (Another poetic reference to the past... Mike had a cold during the 1963 session for the song Hawaii, thus igniting an uncanny pattern of unhealthy Mike Love leads on songs about the Hawaiian islands. He sounds superb on songs about Caribbean Islands, though).
Who is singing background? It could be anyone. Is it a wall of Als? Mike+Al+Brian+Marilyn?
Everything that is wrong with the album’s production, sound and vibe is encapsulated here. A solid 3
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 12, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -5
Kona Coast should have been on the flip of Come Go With Me. This one would have gotten airplay.
Especially with the Hawaii (Go to) closer - subliminally calling back to the early 60's.
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Post by pendlewitch on Jul 12, 2020 13:20:33 GMT -5
I'm going 7. It's quite acceptable, and I find myself screeching, " go to HAWAAAAIII, HAWAAAAIII" possibly more than I should sometimes. Having said that, Al coming in at 46 seconds is like soothing after-sun lotion on a bad case of sunburn. 😎😎
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 12, 2020 13:23:06 GMT -5
I give Kona Coast a 7. I actually prefer the Christmas version over this one.
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