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Post by jk on Jul 12, 2020 14:00:23 GMT -5
Art imitates art. The falsetto “go to Hawaii”s sound like Mickey Mouse with a sore throat. Brian imitating Mike imitating Brian. A most subtle allusion to the early days. The coda sounds fine, though. Meanwhile, Mike imitates Mike, coming up with a forced, lifeless double-tracked lead, miles away from the cool and relaxed self-confidence he conveyed until... one track ago. (Another poetic reference to the past... Mike had a cold during the 1963 session for the song Hawaii, thus igniting an uncanny pattern of unhealthy Mike Love leads on songs about the Hawaiian islands. He sounds superb on songs about Caribbean Islands, though). Who is singing background? It could be anyone. Is it a wall of Als? Mike+Al+Brian+Marilyn? Everything that is wrong with the album’s production, sound and vibe is encapsulated here. A solid 3 You're very generous, Autotune--a solid 3. What a wonderful and wonderfully observant post! It made me laugh out loud.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 12, 2020 15:05:31 GMT -5
I usually don't think you guys are being too harsh on a song, but this time I'm a little surprised at the negative consensus. I don't think it's that bad of a song at all. One of the better ones on MIU, Isathinka. Maybe a 7 or 8 or a 7. Like a few aforementioned songs, it suffers from 'Stop-N-Go' syndrome. It rolls along at a good clip and then......."you and me and Ha-wa-ii", it stalls with a drum beat, and then back in business again. The background vocals are superb trademark Beach Boys. The forced Brian high part during the song is not stellar here, but the best part is near the end with an ode to the '63 Hawaii track and Brian's falsetto takes it on home.
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Post by jk on Jul 12, 2020 15:32:05 GMT -5
I usually don't think you guys are being too harsh on a song, but this time I'm a little surprised at the negative consensus. I don't think it's that bad of a song at all. One of the better ones on MIU, Isathinka. Maybe a 7 or 8 or a 7. Like a few aforementioned songs, it suffers from 'Stop-N-Go' syndrome. It rolls along at a good clip and then......."you and me and Ha-wa-ii", it stalls with a drum beat, and then back in business again. The background vocals are superb trademark Beach Boys. The forced Brian high part during the song is not stellar here, but the best part is near the end with an ode to the '63 Hawaii track and Brian's falsetto takes it on home. Well the main reason for the low votes for "Kona Coast" may be because it's quite clearly capitalizing on earlier songs, most notably "Hawaii". "Do It Again" did the same thing but with a degree of subtlety and inventiveness lacking in "Kona Coast". Just my two euro cents...
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Post by Mikie on Jul 12, 2020 15:40:10 GMT -5
I usually don't think you guys are being too harsh on a song, but this time I'm a little surprised at the negative consensus. I don't think it's that bad of a song at all. One of the better ones on MIU, Isathinka. Maybe a 7 or 8 or a 7. Like a few aforementioned songs, it suffers from 'Stop-N-Go' syndrome. It rolls along at a good clip and then......."you and me and Ha-wa-ii", it stalls with a drum beat, and then back in business again. The background vocals are superb trademark Beach Boys. The forced Brian high part during the song is not stellar here, but the best part is near the end with an ode to the '63 Hawaii track and Brian's falsetto takes it on home. Well the main reason for the low votes for "Kona Coast" may be because it's quite clearly capitalizing on earlier songs, most notably "Hawaii". "Do It Again" did the same thing but with a degree of subtlety and inventiveness lacking in "Kona Coast". Just my two euro cents... Well, what's worth more, two euro cents or two U.S. cents? And where does common cents come into play here? You're right though, John, they're capitalizing on a previous style or referencing old lyric content, and this wouldn't be the last time. Sometimes the average casual listener doesn't put two and two together, but us hardcores are very quick to associate the old and the new.
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Post by mfp on Jul 12, 2020 19:25:16 GMT -5
Somebody thought it was worthy enough as the B side to the Holly cover.
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Yay, mfp's out of bed and voted, time to close the poll! Big night, Mark? No big nights due to age and lockdown
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Post by mfp on Jul 12, 2020 19:35:52 GMT -5
Interesting to witness the lyric writing session in the studio
It's a pleasant innocuous song.
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Post by Al S on Jul 12, 2020 19:56:26 GMT -5
Interesting to witness the lyric writing session in the studio
It's a pleasant innocuous song.
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Wicked! Thanks for posting!!!
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 12, 2020 20:20:18 GMT -5
I'm going 7. It's quite acceptable, and I find myself screeching, " go to HAWAAAAIII, HAWAAAAIII" possibly more than I should sometimes. Having said that, Al coming in at 46 seconds is like soothing after-sun lotion on a bad case of sunburn. 😎😎
Honestly - I overlooked it a lot then checked if it was on a B-side single and it wasn't. I think it would have sounded kinda retro and cool on the radio after that mid 70s era. Simple and to the point.
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Post by Al S on Jul 12, 2020 20:28:12 GMT -5
A friendly aloha-nui to Kona Coast as we toss our lei's back into the sea. It's deep in winter & lockdown where I am, wish I was in the sunshine!!!
The results are:
1 - 2 votes 3 - 5 votes
6 - 3 votes 7 - 5 votes 8 - 3 votes
About 61% of voters dug it - the rest of us, well...stay tuned for the crowd's reaction to Peggy Sue!
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Post by Mikie on Jul 12, 2020 20:55:25 GMT -5
That's the one thing that has escaped Beach Boys collectors over the years. The "Our Team" video in better condition (or much closer to the source) than what's currently out there.
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Post by Al S on Jul 12, 2020 23:10:48 GMT -5
Today we discuss and rate Peggy Sue.
3rd cover (joke) in a row, this album is shaping up like a 15 BOs Vol 2 - actually, the track was a Brian production from the 15 BOs era, retweaked by Al Energiser Bunny who may have done better recording and releasing a solo album of his favourite "basings" rather than grinding everyone through a group effort.
Thankfully short, it's a bit of a drag - perhaps they shoulda done the speed it up trick, but I like the humming sax underneath the vox and the weird flangey guitar or something that peeks out towards the second half.
Originally borrowed, read butchered, during these sessions for Christmas Time Is Here Again, which we will unfortunately get to as part of the odds and sods.
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Post by E on Jul 13, 2020 3:19:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll go 6.
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Post by John Manning on Jul 13, 2020 4:45:45 GMT -5
I'd even go as low as a five-point-five, over generously rounded to a six.
Had they ever performed this live before dredging it up for Christmas/MIU, or was it new to the band?
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Post by dant on Jul 13, 2020 4:49:14 GMT -5
I’ll give this one a 7, as it is a decent cover and better than the track immediately preceding it.
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Post by jk on Jul 13, 2020 5:04:26 GMT -5
Today we discuss and rate Peggy Sue. 3rd cover (joke) in a row, this album is shaping up like a 15 BOs Vol 2 - actually, the track was a Brian production from the 15 BOs era, retweaked by Al Energiser Bunny who may have done better recording and releasing a solo album of his favourite "basings" rather than grinding everyone through a group effort. Thankfully short, it's a bit of a drag - perhaps they shoulda done the speed it up trick, but I like the humming sax underneath the vox and the weird flangey guitar or something that peeks out towards the second half. I actually like the speed they take it at! Agreed about the sax and flangey stuff--touches like these can do wonders for an otherwise merely solid outing. I'm still smarting from giving "Kona Coast" a one. From now on, the sorriest shit gets no less than six! This one gets an eight.
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Post by kds on Jul 13, 2020 5:51:42 GMT -5
A generous six
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 13, 2020 7:20:05 GMT -5
I give Peggy Sue a 8. Unlike many, I actually really like this one. Going as far as saying it is the best performed song on the album. The refrain alone is worth the price of admission. Musically, this is the one song from the 15 Big Ones sessions that gives you a feel of where Brian was heading with Love You. I enjoy Al on the lead, Carl on the refrain and Mike on the background vocals on the last verse.
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Post by Autotune on Jul 13, 2020 9:33:34 GMT -5
A generic run-through that only would have made sense if it was a concert staple, or part of a covers album.
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Post by Al S on Jul 13, 2020 15:53:09 GMT -5
I give Kona Coast a 7. I actually prefer the Christmas version over this one. We shall visit the xmas stuff at some stage soon!
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 13, 2020 16:08:13 GMT -5
Brian... would he have wrote a song like this in 1963? How about 1964? 'All Dressed Up For School'. Close enough. That is tame deluxe. You mean because they say "oo what a turn on"? Other than that it's a coming of age song. Nothing creepy about that. More likely that Brian knew he was biting off a taste of "Papa Oom Mow Mow" while running out of ideas to finish the song. dit-dit-dit! Dit! I personally think "All Dressed Up for School" is the better track.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 13, 2020 16:25:07 GMT -5
Hi, Will here - I'm partying down and can't make it to the board today (in a sober fashion), so I've asked Alan to record a 3 for this tune, noting I prefer Louie Louie to this guff - cheers, Will. Thanks, Alan. I had a wonderful time. M.I.U. didn't get near a needle, or a toss in the Cd changer. I did play around with mono/stereo versions with AP's Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!).Hey, at least I didn't give "Kona Coast" a zero. It is the worst song on the album. My 3/10 was for the backing track. Maybe they could have saved it for the near useless S.I.P. - or a later box-set.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jul 13, 2020 17:53:52 GMT -5
Somebody thought it was worthy enough as the B side to the Holly cover.
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But who? How did it get the votes to even make the album? I bet you have checked out the different single versions from around the world. There are so many different production credits, ranging from none in Japan (unless it is written in Japanese), to Produced by The Beach Boys on both sides, to Beach Boys for "Peggy Sue"/ Brian for "Hey Little Tomboy". My favorite is, some of the European credits give Ron Altbach a Special Production Assistance for both sides. What exactly did he do? As for "Peggy Sue", it is a Buddy song I never liked all that much. He had some great songs, covered by some of the best artists. This should have been left behind as a single only, or, again, left to some future box-set. I can go a 4/10. That's it. I watched the Our Team video this morning. Looking better, but is this worth getting an official release? I think so. At the same time, I was reading a comment that it looked like Carl was among the boys having fun in the studio... We know that wasn't true. Dennis seems frustrated, and ready to head off to the beach, the boat, back home... anywhere than there.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 13, 2020 18:16:11 GMT -5
Will, how many songs in the 70’s were only released as singles or left off albums? In America, singles were what drove advertising and the sales of albums. The Boys released worse songs than Peggy Sue in that 1976-1980 time frame.
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Post by Al S on Jul 13, 2020 18:28:36 GMT -5
Hi, Will here - I'm partying down and can't make it to the board today (in a sober fashion), so I've asked Alan to record a 3 for this tune, noting I prefer Louie Louie to this guff - cheers, Will. Thanks, Alan. I had a wonderful time. M.I.U. didn't get near a needle, or a toss in the Cd changer.Will, you are the ultimate party ANIMAL!!!!
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Post by Al S on Jul 13, 2020 18:48:26 GMT -5
Somebody thought it was worthy enough as the B side to the Holly cover.
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But who? How did it get the votes to even make the album? I bet you have checked out the different single versions from around the world. There are so many different production credits, ranging from none in Japan (unless it is written in Japanese), to Produced by The Beach Boys on both sides, to Beach Boys for "Peggy Sue"/ Brian for "Hey Little Tomboy". My favorite is, some of the European credits give Ron Altbach a Special Production Assistance for both sides. What exactly did he do? As for "Peggy Sue", it is a Buddy song I never liked all that much. He had some great songs, covered by some of the best artists. This should have been left behind as a single only, or, again, left to some future box-set. I can go a 4/10. That's it. I watched the Our Team video this morning. Looking better, but is this worth getting an official release? I think so. At the same time, I was reading a comment that it looked like Carl was among the boys having fun in the studio... We know that wasn't true. Dennis seems frustrated, and ready to head off to the beach, the boat, back home... anywhere than there. Ron was probably the actual producer, ie the guy who kept things running and eventually got something out the door. Apparently, Brian was going to produce, but he wasn't up for it. In lieu of Carl and Denny not giving a shit, you are left with the TM axis - Mike is on the record saying he wasn't that enamoured with studio work in general and we know a little bit about Al's SLA's to deliver (piece of string, no defined length), so if you left things in the remaining "bands" hands, we'd probably still be waiting. Mike also noted in a Goldmine interview that the whole shee-bang was too democratic, meaning a lack of cohesive vision lead to a fractured album.
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