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Post by jk on Feb 1, 2023 11:48:33 GMT -5
And yes, I'm in a bad mood today: a delivery firm has spectacularly failed to deliver (according to them, my full postal address is "incomplete") and a very dear friend is having a hard time of it. Not a sunbeam for Jesus right now. So hate me. I don't care. No one here hates you, Andrew. Hang on in there -- there'll be better times.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Feb 1, 2023 11:51:58 GMT -5
Because to me, in the tone that was shared and in the wording she shared, it sounded 'to me' , she pretty well meant 'Brian won't be touring anymore'. You listen to the segment, what do you get out of what she says? I get that she says (emphasis mine) "Dad is probably not gonna tour anymore..." whereas you posted that she said (emphasis also mine) "Brian's touring days are now over", when she actually didn't say anything like that at all. I also get that you fabricated a quote. Seriously, these's enough disinformation and lies in the BB cosmos as it is (and has been for over 60 years) without making stuff up. Here's what you posted: "According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'." " She said". I'm not seeing anything like "it seems to me". I am seeing an unequivocal statement. And yes, I'm in a bad mood today: a delivery firm has spectacularly failed to deliver (according to them, my full postal address is "incomplete") and a very dear friend is having a hard time of it. Not a sunbeam for Jesus right now. So hate me. I don't care. I hope things improve for your friend Andrew. As for you having an 'off' day, don't worry, we still love you
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 1, 2023 12:09:07 GMT -5
I am not sure why we are arguing over a mis-quote. We have 24 hours to fix posts when errors are brought to one’s attention.
Please play nice, thank you! 🙂🎼
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 1, 2023 12:14:52 GMT -5
I am not sure why we are arguing over a mis-quote. We have 24 hours to fix posts when errors are brought to one’s attention. Please play nice, thank you! 🙂🎼 It's my fault, I'm sorry.... I thought I explained, then I tried to correct myself more to the point.... I still failed...
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Post by ironhorseapples on Feb 1, 2023 13:40:41 GMT -5
Don't worry Rick, I would have construed it like that too. Back to the point, if true its sad to hear. Nothing we weren't expecting however. For purely selfish reasons I'd hoped to take my daughter along back in July, so its a disappointment. I wish the big man well though, and hope he gets to enjoy his retirement. Hopefully he'll find something else to channel his time into, rather than just sitting around. As Carnie hints, the touring was a lifeline for him.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 1, 2023 13:48:11 GMT -5
Don't worry Rick, I would have construed it like that too. Back to the point, if true its sad to hear. Nothing we weren't expecting however. For purely selfish reasons I'd hoped to take my daughter along back in July, so its a disappointment. I wish the big man well though, and hope he gets to enjoy his retirement. Hopefully he'll find something else to channel his time into, rather than just sitting around. As Carnie hints, the touring was a lifeline for him. Maybe with the extra time now, we will finally get that rock and roll album that he has been promising for more years than I care to remember.😉
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Post by John Manning on Feb 1, 2023 14:22:37 GMT -5
Don't worry Rick, I would have construed it like that too. Back to the point, if true its sad to hear. Nothing we weren't expecting however. For purely selfish reasons I'd hoped to take my daughter along back in July, so its a disappointment. I wish the big man well though, and hope he gets to enjoy his retirement. Hopefully he'll find something else to channel his time into, rather than just sitting around. As Carnie hints, the touring was a lifeline for him. Maybe with the extra time now, we will finally get that rock and roll album that he has been promising for more years than I care to remember.😉 Rockin’ Chair Roll perhaps? Rick, I read Carnie’s words the same way you did: you got the spirit it of it right, which is what counts. If she’s right – and it makes absolute sense – then BW can retire from touring with his head held high. For the last 20+ years he’s brought us more pleasure than we could once ever have imagined. Seeing him perform Pet Sounds at the Hollywood Bowl in 2000 was a highlight of my gig-attending life, as were the U.K. Pet Sounds gigs in 2002 (Glasgow blew the cobwebs away for years afterwards!), and ten of the Smile concerts in 2004, each a religious experience. I haven’t seen him since I took the kids to the Glastonbury Extravaganza in 2017 – I had butterflies in my chest that day, and am so chuffed to have been able to take them to see my hero, and one of history’s greatest composers; I hope they’ll tell their own kids about that one day. The last few years haven’t been as kind but BW can rest easy, and has my eternal thanks and adulation.
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Post by newbbfan on Feb 1, 2023 14:58:59 GMT -5
John you are Damned eloquent. You write like a bloody Professor sometimes.
But I attended the final performance of Pet Sounds in 2007 and many of you did in 2017 so it's not totally clear what's going on. I think it completely feasible that Brian could accept an invitation here and there to appear in a one-off special event if he so chose to get out there and do that.
Touring implies being on the road and being on buses and all the terribly complicated bits of planning and exhaustion end anxiety associated with the road.
anyway I just hope those final rather silent performances that we saw from Brian are not the very last performance he ever has on stage. Jan Berry was able to do a farewell show and got to leave stage the right way ,as did Tony Bennett thanks to the help of his great great wonderful caring fellow Italian American Stefani Germanotta ,so we'll see what happens for Brian, and anything that makes him feel good and strong and confident and happy will give us all the sense of joy. Not touring doesn't mean he'll never be on a stage again.
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Post by AGD on Feb 1, 2023 17:04:48 GMT -5
Don't worry Rick, I would have construed it like that too. Back to the point, if true its sad to hear. Nothing we weren't expecting however. For purely selfish reasons I'd hoped to take my daughter along back in July, so its a disappointment. I wish the big man well though, and hope he gets to enjoy his retirement. Hopefully he'll find something else to channel his time into, rather than just sitting around. As Carnie hints, the touring was a lifeline for him. Maybe with the extra time now, we will finally get that rock and roll album that he has been promising for more years than I care to remember.😉 Or Pleasure Island...
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Post by ironhorseapples on Feb 1, 2023 18:34:09 GMT -5
I'd forgotten Pleasure Island!
He promised us a son of Smile as well, but I presume that was Lucky Old Sun.
As John says, we're lucky we got this late flowering. If you'd told me back in the 90s we would not only have got a live Pet Sounds, but also see Smile finished, toured and released I'd have thought you mad.
Head held high indeed, what a career!
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Post by mattbbtalk on Feb 2, 2023 10:20:10 GMT -5
Hello friends! Greg and I were both surprised when Carnie said that Brian probably will not tour anymore. I interpreted it as he is done touring. She also mentioned not seeing him in a while and it was sad. To me, I’m happy for Brian. He does not owe anyone anything, and I was blessed to see him about 15 times throughout the years.
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Post by gerry on Feb 15, 2023 11:07:19 GMT -5
I really don't understand the whole "I haven't seen him in a while" thing. If you want to see him, call up and say" I'd like to come over and see you Dad". Is she being prevented from seeing him by the evil Melinda? I mean, get in your car and go see him or face time him. It's easier now than ever to "see" people, but you do have to put in a little effort.
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Post by AGD on Feb 15, 2023 11:15:49 GMT -5
I really don't understand the whole "I haven't seen him in a while" thing. If you want to see him, call up and say" I'd like to come over and see you Dad". Is she being prevented from seeing him by the evil Melinda? I mean, get in your car and go see him or face time him. It's easier now than ever to "see" people, but you do have to put in a little effort. It's not that simple, nor has been for many years.
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Post by Mark on Feb 15, 2023 11:46:54 GMT -5
I really don't understand the whole "I haven't seen him in a while" thing. If you want to see him, call up and say" I'd like to come over and see you Dad". Is she being prevented from seeing him by the evil Melinda? I mean, get in your car and go see him or face time him. It's easier now than ever to "see" people, but you do have to put in a little effort. There has been ‘maximum effort’ rather than ‘a little effort’ over the years for some of Brian’s nearest and dearest to be able to see him. You, and I, don’t understand the situation because it’s not easily understood. However it is quite a common thing when someone doesn’t have full autonomy over their own life like Brian doesn’t. The family and friends of many people who are dependent on others find themselves in a similar situation. It’s very sad and unfortunate for family members and friends for sure..
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 15, 2023 14:46:21 GMT -5
I really don't understand the whole "I haven't seen him in a while" thing. If you want to see him, call up and say" I'd like to come over and see you Dad". Is she being prevented from seeing him by the evil Melinda? I mean, get in your car and go see him or face time him. It's easier now than ever to "see" people, but you do have to put in a little effort. There has been ‘maximum effort’ rather than ‘a little effort’ over the years for some of Brian’s nearest and dearest to be able to see him. You, and I, don’t understand the situation because it’s not easily understood. However it is quite a common thing when someone doesn’t have full autonomy over their own life like Brian doesn’t. The family and friends of many people who are dependent on others find themselves in a similar situation. It’s very sad and unfortunate for family members and friends for sure.. I'm getting those Landy vibes again.
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2023 8:22:45 GMT -5
I really don't understand the whole "I haven't seen him in a while" thing. If you want to see him, call up and say" I'd like to come over and see you Dad". Is she being prevented from seeing him by the evil Melinda? I mean, get in your car and go see him or face time him. It's easier now than ever to "see" people, but you do have to put in a little effort. It's not that simple, nor has been for many years. If I may correct myself somewhat: after his most recent back surgery (summer 2018 ?), after leaving the rehab facility Brian spent some time (that is, weeks) staying with Carnie and Rob.
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Post by gerry on Feb 18, 2023 12:23:23 GMT -5
I'm curious how this might play out: does Carnie call Melinda and say" hey is it ok if I come over and see my Dad?" Does Melinda then say something like "no, today wouldn't be good". Now, the average person might say "well, when would be good?" Then it kind of goes from there. At some point you might get to see the person. I realize these are not average people but the desire is the same. So is Carnie and I assume Wendy being prevented indefinitely from seeing their father and if so , why?
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Post by Autotune on Feb 18, 2023 13:44:28 GMT -5
Well, in all these scenarios we are making Brian a complete innocent. Perhaps he doesn’t reach out; perhaps he has trouble being a constant and steady presence in his older daughters’ lives. As gentle-souled as he seems to be and as much as their daughters love him, there must be a lot of pain and sour grapes to that story for decades.
Not that Carnie’s words don’t seem puzzling.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 18, 2023 14:08:03 GMT -5
Considering that Rob has been a member of the band, that Brian stayed with them for a short time, you would think things wouldn’t be complicated, but this is Brian Wilson we are talking about here. In Brian’s world, normal isn’t normal.
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Post by boogieboarder on Feb 18, 2023 15:13:20 GMT -5
I'm curious how this might play out: does Carnie call Melinda and say" hey is it ok if I come over and see my Dad?" Does Melinda then say something like "no, today wouldn't be good". Now, the average person might say "well, when would be good?" Then it kind of goes from there. At some point you might get to see the person. I realize these are not average people but the desire is the same. So is Carnie and I assume Wendy being prevented indefinitely from seeing their father and if so , why?
Well, my experience and others is the opposite. Parents wish their adult children would visit more often. It's more like "When are you coming over? It's been a month since we last saw you."
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 21, 2023 15:44:02 GMT -5
I'm curious how this might play out: does Carnie call Melinda and say" hey is it ok if I come over and see my Dad?" Does Melinda then say something like "no, today wouldn't be good". Now, the average person might say "well, when would be good?" Then it kind of goes from there. At some point you might get to see the person. I realize these are not average people but the desire is the same. So is Carnie and I assume Wendy being prevented indefinitely from seeing their father and if so , why?
Well, my experience and others is the opposite. Parents wish their adult children would visit more often. It's more like "When are you coming over? It's been a month since we last saw you." That was my experience. Us kids sometimes get so wrapped up in our own lives, meanwhile mom and dad are wishing we could drop by. I got to see them more often in 2020 because of being layed off for 4 months; and no live music. Looking back, I am thankful for that year, because they are both gone now.
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Post by AGD on Jun 13, 2023 4:19:45 GMT -5
Just an observation... but this is the first year since he started serious touring in 1999 that Brian has no shows scheduled to date.
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Post by dauber on Jun 13, 2023 9:18:21 GMT -5
Just wish there was official word one way or the other whether there are plans for Brian to do any shows in the foreseeable future. And no, I don't count Carnie saying "I don't think he's going to be touring any more" as official word.
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Post by AGD on Jun 13, 2023 9:57:07 GMT -5
Agreed, but I think the weight of evidence strongly argues that his touring days are over
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 13, 2023 12:28:05 GMT -5
Why make a big announcement that he is no longer touring? The fact that there is no tour is information enough. If something changes, then a tour would be scheduled. There would be no need to then contradict a previous announcement.
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