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Post by AGD on Sept 7, 2022 12:30:24 GMT -5
They dropped it after the first show because, according to Robert Lamm, it wasn't working. To judge from that video, the right call, as Lamm's vocals weren't good.
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Post by AGD on Sept 7, 2022 12:34:43 GMT -5
Who knew in 1980 what an 80-year-old Brian would look like. Not many people thought he’d make it, btw. Well, here he is. Looking and sounding his age. What he should be doing with his life is none of my business, but I don’t expect great performances or recordings anymore. Time for that has expired obviously; and it’s ok. Beg to differ, but he's looking and especially sounding much more than his age. This last tour gave rise to deep concern in some quarters.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 7, 2022 12:41:47 GMT -5
They dropped it after the first show because, according to Robert Lamm, it wasn't working. Andrew - I thought they sounded pretty good on that YouTube. They looked pretty intense around those mics, as it was a very tough act to follow as to the original, studio and the New Year’s Eve one. Almost everyone I talked to at the show was really hoping they would not drop it because it was so important from that Beachago Era.
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Post by nater on Sept 7, 2022 13:55:43 GMT -5
Brian definitely seems frail in his b-day video for Al, but his voice still sounds so sweet when he sings.
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Post by Autotune on Sept 7, 2022 15:56:06 GMT -5
Who knew in 1980 what an 80-year-old Brian would look like. Not many people thought he’d make it, btw. Well, here he is. Looking and sounding his age. What he should be doing with his life is none of my business, but I don’t expect great performances or recordings anymore. Time for that has expired obviously; and it’s ok. Beg to differ, but he's looking and especially sounding much more than his age. This last tour gave rise to deep concern in some quarters. This is the 80 year old version of the chain-smoking fat guy sitting onstage behind a white piano and croaking his way through his own songs in 1981. He couldn’t be any better than he is today, I think. Be could be… not.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Sept 7, 2022 21:53:35 GMT -5
All my memories of Brian sitting up on the stage banging on his white grand, smoking away and occasionally singing are great memories. Looked like he was having fun. He was interested in what he was doing and banging away for real. Don't you guys think he looks like he is having fun at the Knebworth 1980 show? I do.
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Post by gerry on Sept 8, 2022 9:32:49 GMT -5
yeah, back in the late'70's- early '80's Brian's routine on stage was to play piano, smoke, maybe sing SJB, do the middle of Surfer Girl. He almost never sang background vocals. He very seldom spoke to the audience .Who knows if he was enjoying himself, coke was still being used, so who knows. Comparing the onstage Brian in 2022 to Brian onstage 2000-2015 there is obviously a real drop off. Of course we all want to know why? Being 80+medication+ mental issues+ possible dementia, I said possible, who knows. Touring for the average 80 year old would be very difficult. McCartney is a rare exception, like someone from another planet.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 8, 2022 10:51:15 GMT -5
Didn’t at least half of (rockers) them smoke onstage? At least in the US, before indoor smoking was banned in the early 80s? Brian was not unique in that regard.
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Post by lonesurf on Sept 8, 2022 12:58:08 GMT -5
I knew someone who having serious medical issues with joint degradation who keep running marathons. Everyone kept saying let her go, she likes it. Now her knees, feet and hips need work but friends are pushing her to keep going, even though she is in constant pain. Just because you like doing something doesn't mean you should keep doing it beyond the point of diminished returns. And to sound totally capitalistic, people are paying large sums to see you. You need to be present. I have watched Mike performing in recent concerts and even with a flashlight and metal detector he can't find the key. It is past time. It is kind of complicated. I get it with the marathon thing and how that kind of running punishes your body causing many to have to get “spare parts” such as new knees or hips. But, people stay active or don’t retire for many reasons. They are still intellectually very sharp and want to stay creative and pass on their lifetime of knowledge. Tony Bennett (who I saw just before the pandemic, never dreaming that he had Alzheimer’s because his performance was utterly flawless) would say that he kept touring and performing for maintenance of his sobriety. He said that he needed to work to remain sober. Who can argue with that kind of thinking? Last month I saw the Touring Band several times, and Mike is very much still quite on-his-game. Some need to get off the merry-go-round much sooner, but that is a personal decision. It almost seemed that Brian could have had some long flu (or even some weird kind of long covid)(I’m not a doc but a mom) type thing going on. His voice was different by 180 degrees from 8 or so months earlier. And out of his lifetime of great vocal range. That leads me to think it is more a passing thing, rather than a permanent state. I completely agree with filledeplage that Mike is still pretty much “on his game”. Especially when you consider the guy is 82! And it is simply silly to nitpick otherwise. Sure, a vocal might be thinner and occasionally off-key, but he remains a fine showman who is obviously giving the casual audience their money’s worth, night after night. I try to look at this from a relatively objective POV: Both Brian & Mike have surrounded themselves with great teams, but lately that is where the comparison ends. Mike remains the focal point and masterful MC of his concerts. As such, he continues to deliver a solid “endless summer hits” show … and the mostly casual crowd overwhelmingly continues to eat it up. Those people leave satisfied. Sorry to say this but, if I was a casual fan, what seems to be Brian’s disinterest & his complete lack of participation in providing a shorter version of pretty much the same greatest hits setlist is simply off putting. And it is the complete opposite of the type of fun-in-the-sun concert that Mike is still providing. I have been to three Beach Boys shows and two Brian Wilson Band shows this year. Sadly, the difference was night and day in 2022 & no amount of equivocation can change that. I sincerely hope Brian is happy and healthy. Quite simply, I will continue to support him in whatever he does. Especially if it’s just some well deserved quiet time or an afternoon snack at the deli.
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Post by carllove on Sept 8, 2022 13:39:03 GMT -5
It is kind of complicated. I get it with the marathon thing and how that kind of running punishes your body causing many to have to get “spare parts” such as new knees or hips. But, people stay active or don’t retire for many reasons. They are still intellectually very sharp and want to stay creative and pass on their lifetime of knowledge. Tony Bennett (who I saw just before the pandemic, never dreaming that he had Alzheimer’s because his performance was utterly flawless) would say that he kept touring and performing for maintenance of his sobriety. He said that he needed to work to remain sober. Who can argue with that kind of thinking? Last month I saw the Touring Band several times, and Mike is very much still quite on-his-game. Some need to get off the merry-go-round much sooner, but that is a personal decision. It almost seemed that Brian could have had some long flu (or even some weird kind of long covid)(I’m not a doc but a mom) type thing going on. His voice was different by 180 degrees from 8 or so months earlier. And out of his lifetime of great vocal range. That leads me to think it is more a passing thing, rather than a permanent state. I completely agree with filledeplage that Mike is still pretty much “on his game”. Especially when you consider the guy is 82! And it is simply silly to nitpick otherwise. Sure, a vocal might be thinner and occasionally off-key, but he remains a fine showman who is obviously giving the casual audience their money’s worth, night after night. I try to look at this from a relatively objective POV: Both Brian & Mike have surrounded themselves with great teams, but lately that is where the comparison ends. Mike remains the focal point and masterful MC of his concerts. As such, he continues to deliver a solid “endless summer hits” show … and the mostly casual crowd overwhelmingly continues to eat it up. Those people leave satisfied. Sorry to say this but, if I was a casual fan, what seems to be Brian’s seeming disinterest & his complete lack of participation in providing a shorter version of pretty much the same greatest hits setlist is simply off putting. And it is the complete opposite of the type of fun-in-the-sun concert that Mike is still providing. I have been to three Beach Boys shows and two Brian Wilson Band shows this year. Sadly, the difference was night and day in 2022 & no amount of equivocation can change that. I sincerely hope Brian is happy and healthy. Quite simply, I will continue to support him in whatever he does. Especially if it’s just some well deserved quiet time or an afternoon snack at the deli. As someone who has seen both Mike and Brian live this year as well, I third the opinion that Mike puts on a great show. Bruce is also an amazing ball of energy. I loved hearing him sing Disney Girls. I would go see Darian and Blondie perform on their own, though. I love both of them.
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Post by boogieboarder on Sept 8, 2022 19:46:06 GMT -5
Didn’t at least half of (rockers) them smoke onstage? At least in the US, before indoor smoking was banned in the early 80s? Brian was not unique in that regard. Well, yeah.
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Post by scorho on Nov 1, 2022 16:45:43 GMT -5
Didn’t at least half of (rockers) them smoke onstage? At least in the US, before indoor smoking was banned in the early 80s? Brian was not unique in that regard. Yeah. And too many of them didn't make it to 80, even without the additional difficulties Brian has had.
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Post by Micha on Dec 9, 2022 1:11:54 GMT -5
Yesterday we watched a quiz show in which the contestants were two German singers who both will be 80 soon. When they told their age, I immediately thought "I wish Brian was in that shape". Thinking about it now, I might as well have wished for my parents being in that shape. The older of the two had his hair dyed and ondulated, he looked rather 57ish or so. He is obviously a drastic exception. And he's touring soon. Too bad his music isn't my cup of tea.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 10, 2022 22:41:51 GMT -5
Yesterday we watched a quiz show in which the contestants were two German singers who both will be 80 soon. When they told their age, I immediately thought "I wish Brian was in that shape". Thinking about it now, I might as well have wished for my parents being in that shape. The older of the two had his hair dyed and ondulated, he looked rather 57ish or so. He is obviously a drastic exception. And he's touring soon. Too bad his music isn't my cup of tea. I don't even want to think about about what I'll look like or sound like at 80 - assuming I'm not 6 feet under.
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Post by boogieboarder on Dec 11, 2022 10:24:06 GMT -5
Yesterday we watched a quiz show in which the contestants were two German singers who both will be 80 soon. When they told their age, I immediately thought "I wish Brian was in that shape". Thinking about it now, I might as well have wished for my parents being in that shape. The older of the two had his hair dyed and ondulated, he looked rather 57ish or so. He is obviously a drastic exception. And he's touring soon. Too bad his music isn't my cup of tea. I don't even want to think about about what I'll look like or sound like at 80 - assuming I'm not 6 feet under. Please. I only have eight years to go.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jan 31, 2023 21:37:12 GMT -5
According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'. It's no real surprise at this point, but it's also the first 'close to the source' information I had heard anything about it since those shows ceased. She did not go into detail, other than she had not seen him in a quite a while and looked forward to catching up with him.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 31, 2023 21:56:04 GMT -5
According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'. It's no real surprise at this point, but it's also the first 'close to the source' information I had heard anything about it since those shows ceased. She did not go into detail, other than she had not seen him in a quite a while and looked forward to catching up with him. If that is true, I wonder what Al Jardine will do this summer?
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Post by newbbfan on Jan 31, 2023 23:36:42 GMT -5
Does touring mean performing or does it mean touring? Hope Brian is doing well and I could imagine him rallying for an appearance here and there which is distinctly different from a tour.
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Post by AGD on Feb 1, 2023 3:38:31 GMT -5
According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'.It's no real surprise at this point, but it's also the first 'close to the source' information I had heard anything about it since those shows ceased. She did not go into detail, other than she had not seen him in a quite a while and looked forward to catching up with him. The response from BriMel - if any - will be interesting.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 1, 2023 6:27:23 GMT -5
According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'.It's no real surprise at this point, but it's also the first 'close to the source' information I had heard anything about it since those shows ceased. She did not go into detail, other than she had not seen him in a quite a while and looked forward to catching up with him. The response from BriMel - if any - will be interesting. I should 'clarify' and 'correct' my initial post, because I'm sure someone will jump down my throat if I don't fix it first .... My comment was Carnie said, 'Brian's touring days are now over'. She did not 'exactly' say those words. So for context, please hear 'exactly' her slant on Brian's touring in the segment below, which is around the 1:37:58 mark. Listen to her thereafter talking about touring with Al, which is quite funny. The whole interview was great. I just wanted to 'clarify'...
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Post by AGD on Feb 1, 2023 7:47:44 GMT -5
If she didn't "say exactly those words", then why did you post implying she did ?
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Post by John Manning on Feb 1, 2023 8:15:52 GMT -5
If she didn't "say exactly those words", then why did you post implying she did ? ”… Dad is probably not gonna tour anymore, which is heartbreaking, but it is what it is, y’know… “We never thought he would have done it all these years, I think we are very lucky that he, you know, that he did that and I think it brought him a lot of joy. “I mean, really, I don’t know that he would still be alive if he had not done that, I swear to god he would have just dwindled away. I hate to say that, I don’t even want to put that energy out there but I really believe that him doing that, no matter on the days when he didn’t feel like singing, or he would go there, y’know, and just read the lyrics or whatever, but I think that it was just so amazing.” Edit: a few autocorrect typos manually corrected.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 1, 2023 8:47:54 GMT -5
If she didn't "say exactly those words", then why did you post implying she did ? Because to me, in the tone that was shared and in the wording she shared, it sounded 'to me' , she pretty well meant 'Brian won't be touring anymore'. You listen to the segment, what do you get out of what she says?
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 1, 2023 9:49:05 GMT -5
If she didn't "say exactly those words", then why did you post implying she did ? Because to me, in the tone that was shared and in the wording she shared, it sounded 'to me' , she pretty well meant 'Brian won't be touring anymore'. You listen to the segment, what do you get out of what she says? Having listened to her interview it sounds exactly as how you implied it. They didn't really go any deeper than that. She did mention that having been touring out on the road for the past near 25 years(!) was probably a good thing for him though that kept him alive. But anyone that saw him this past summer either live or from all the YouTube videos, it should come as no surprise to hear her say this. I don't think it's sensible to believe that he's somehow going to bounce back and put on a more engaging show especially when you consider all his increasing physical and mental health issues at his current age.
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Post by AGD on Feb 1, 2023 11:15:09 GMT -5
If she didn't "say exactly those words", then why did you post implying she did ? Because to me, in the tone that was shared and in the wording she shared, it sounded 'to me' , she pretty well meant 'Brian won't be touring anymore'. You listen to the segment, what do you get out of what she says? I get that she says (emphasis mine) "Dad is probably not gonna tour anymore..." whereas you posted that she said (emphasis also mine) "Brian's touring days are now over", when she actually didn't say anything like that at all. I also get that you fabricated a quote. Seriously, these's enough disinformation and lies in the BB cosmos as it is (and has been for over 60 years) without making stuff up. Here's what you posted: "According to the recent Carnie Wilson 'Beach Boys Talk' interview, she said 'Brian's touring days are now over'." " She said". I'm not seeing anything like "it seems to me". I am seeing an unequivocal statement. And yes, I'm in a bad mood today: a delivery firm has spectacularly failed to deliver (according to them, my full postal address is "incomplete") and a very dear friend is having a hard time of it. Not a sunbeam for Jesus right now. So hate me. I don't care.
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