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Post by bryand on Oct 4, 2019 20:46:23 GMT -5
I am looking for details on the “Farmer’s Daughter”/“”Lana” acetate. Since the acetate is from a recording on January 16, 1963 (per Jim Murphy’s book), are these audibly different versions than released or booted?
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Post by Cam Mott on Oct 12, 2019 9:04:01 GMT -5
On the session for the Wonderful (Rock With Me Henry version) tag there's a mystery guy called Jim helping with the bass vocals. Low, kinda goofy voice, someone I don't recognise. Any idea who he might be? Family friend or someone in Brian's circle? Don't know but VDP was there right? If so, maybe Jim Yester? I think he was maybe part of VDP's crowd and there was a Western/BW/Lewy/TM/Association association. Drop a line and ask VDP if he knows (also please ask if he got the call from BW after playing the prepared piano on Holidays, he might not know or remember that title).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 9:12:58 GMT -5
On the session for the Wonderful (Rock With Me Henry version) tag there's a mystery guy called Jim helping with the bass vocals. Low, kinda goofy voice, someone I don't recognise. Any idea who he might be? Family friend or someone in Brian's circle? Would that also be the person who does the countoff? I ask because I detected a southern accent. And now I see Jim Yester was originally from Alabama.
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Post by Cam Mott on Oct 12, 2019 10:53:35 GMT -5
Good guess on Jim Yester, but I looked up a couple of interviews and it doesn't sound like him. Here are a couple of spots where the guy talks (he doesn't say a lot, the count-off is Brian) - drive.google.com/file/d/1UcYinGVmncVT1XpZryY6zFGCkdw4EPet/view?usp=sharingThe book mentions VDP on the talkback but Unsurpassed Masters seems to have a pretty complete overview of the session and his voice doesn't show up between takes. So you are detecting Jim's speaking voice or his singing or both? Apologies if it is in that download, watching America's Test Kitchen.
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Post by Malc on Oct 13, 2019 1:54:50 GMT -5
Seems highly unlikely to me, but checking in with Jim...
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Post by Malc on Oct 13, 2019 8:50:52 GMT -5
Just spoken with Jim, and in his own words ... “Never had the pleasure...”, so that’s a no to that theory then !
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Post by Cam Mott on Oct 13, 2019 9:09:22 GMT -5
(scratches through "Jim Yester?")
Maybe Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, or VDP (whichever ones were there) remember "Jim".
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Post by AGD on Oct 13, 2019 11:56:37 GMT -5
Jim Lockert ?
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Post by John Manning on Oct 13, 2019 12:59:37 GMT -5
All I can think is either Carl was saying "John" or talking to a different person to the mystery vocalist entirely. Stamos.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Nov 12, 2019 2:10:54 GMT -5
...likewise, I thought for years that Carl was one of the guitar players on "Salt Lake City", while Carol Kaye played Fender bass and one of the other sessionmen played the 6-string Dano bass - until I really, REALLY studied the session tape, and came to the conclusion that Carl is playing Fender bass while Carol plays Dano... Yes, that is an interesting thing that I've concluded too--it's such an odd situation that rarely happened. I wonder what led to it playing out that way. But Carl is clearly in the booth and must be playing bass because it seems like Brian blames him for being out of sync in the intro at one point, during which of course there is no guitar.
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Post by Fall Breaks on Nov 25, 2019 7:28:01 GMT -5
Peter Criss is listed on Wikipedia as backing vocalist on Good Timin' as well as It's OK. The links go to Peter Criss of Kiss. Is this correct?
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Post by AGD on Nov 25, 2019 10:18:21 GMT -5
Hugely unlikely. According to the album credits, the bvs for "It's OK" are Brian, Marilyn, Dennis, Al, Michael and Carl.
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 25, 2019 12:23:18 GMT -5
Peter Criss is listed on Wikipedia as backing vocalist on Good Timin' as well as It's OK. The links go to Peter Criss of Kiss. Is this correct? I can't even begin to imagine how that mistake made it into the Wikipedia entries for these two songs. But it does reinforce the need for someone like me to go in and revise (m)any such Wiki pages.
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 25, 2019 12:32:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the only instance of anything even close to this happening is Peter CETERA singing backup on "Wishing You Were Here"...which of course, is a Chicago song that Cetera also wrote, played guitar on, and sang co-lead on, while three of the Boys sang backup along with him. But I can't imagine how someone could hear about that and later confuse it with Peter CRISS of KISS singing backup on two other Beach Boys songs....although in the world of Wiki, more bizarro things have transpired...
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 25, 2019 14:36:48 GMT -5
This still bugs me...the only explanation that even REMOTELY makes sense is that someone read that Peter CETERA recorded vocals with the Beach Boys at Caribou studio in the mid-'70s, did a little research and discovered that the Boys recorded "Good Timin'" there in November '74 (and also recorded "It's OK" around the same time - even though the track for the latter was recorded at Brother, and the vocals weren't added until a year-and-a-half later, also at Brother...and come to think of it, only a scratch lead vocal for "Good Timin'" was laid down at Caribou)...then somehow mis-remembered or mis-typed "Cetera" as "Criss" when making the Wikipedia entry....and even THAT seems a bit of a stretch! Unless, of course, that info was entered on April Fools Day, and has gone un-discovered an un-corrected until now....
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Post by Mikie on Nov 25, 2019 15:21:17 GMT -5
Many years ago, I remember somebody on one of the boards advised me not to believe everything I read on Wikipedia. I had taken some information as gospel on there that had evidently been discounted/debunked and I posted it on the board as fact. Not knowing at the time what citations were for (soliciting confirmation) I started taking things on Wiki with a little grain of salt. Now I usually try to research second sources. I see C-man's name on some of the Wiki pages so I figure I can just blame him if information is wrong. In the last couple of weeks, I found very sparse information on a couple of Friends tracks - maybe there's session sheets missing and not much is known about the particular tracks.
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 26, 2019 0:33:33 GMT -5
I could probably tell you anything you want to know about any Friends track (including the outtakes released a year ago) - so ask away!
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Post by AGD on Nov 26, 2019 1:09:15 GMT -5
I could probably tell you anything you want to know about any Friends track (including the outtakes released a year ago) - so ask away! What brand of tobacco was Murry smoking when he added his bass vocal to "Be Here In The Morning" ?
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 26, 2019 8:25:53 GMT -5
I could probably tell you anything you want to know about any Friends track (including the outtakes released a year ago) - so ask away! What brand of tobacco was Murry smoking when he added his bass vocal to "Be Here In The Morning" ? Uh....Flying Dutchman?
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Post by John Manning on Nov 26, 2019 9:21:35 GMT -5
What brand of tobacco was Murry smoking when he added his bass vocal to "Be Here In The Morning" ? Uh....Flying Dutchman? I reckon it's a trck question - he alreday knows the answer!
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Post by Mikie on Nov 26, 2019 12:09:59 GMT -5
OK, never mind. I just pulled out my Spring 2018 issue of ESQ with the 'Friends' sessionography and it's right there. But most of this information is not available on Wikipedia, nor is it included on Craig's 'Beach Boys Archives' website, so you'll have to pick up this back issue of ESQ to get it!
Here is the unmasked man hisself!
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 26, 2019 12:28:07 GMT -5
Actually, since that article came out, more info has surfaced that would change one or two credits.
Also, the article doesn't cover the outtakes.
Also, since that photo was taken, I've become much better-looking. And smarter, and funnier. But sadly, not richer.
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Post by Mikie on Nov 26, 2019 12:45:16 GMT -5
Actually, since that article came out, more info has surfaced that would change one or two credits. Also, the article doesn't cover the outtakes. Also, since that photo was taken, I've become much better-looking. And smarter, and funnier. But sadly, not richer. Are the outtakes much different than the released versions, Craig? Or do you mean outtakes in a different way than alternate takes (as in unreleased until the 2018 'Wake The World' comp came out).
Are you going to do Wiki's on the Friends material or put it up on the Archives or better yet hard copies? I know you're less inclined to do the latter.
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 26, 2019 12:57:30 GMT -5
Actually, since that article came out, more info has surfaced that would change one or two credits. Also, the article doesn't cover the outtakes. Also, since that photo was taken, I've become much better-looking. And smarter, and funnier. But sadly, not richer. Are the outtakes much different than the released versions, Craig? Or do you mean outtakes in a different way than alternate takes (as in unreleased until the 2018 'Wake The World' comp came out).
Are you going to do Wiki's on the Friends material or put it up on the Archives or better yet hard copies? I know you're less inclined to do the latter.
I meant both, really - there's radically alternate versions of stuff, for instance "Be Still" with the full band, as well as unused songs like "I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be". Yes, I'm less inclined to do hard copies, for the very reason that more info always seems to come to light, making previously-published versions obsolete, yet still out there. Websites, however, can be updated in a matter of seconds.
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Post by craigslowinski on Nov 26, 2019 13:15:00 GMT -5
I meant both, really - there's radically alternate versions of stuff, for instance "Be Still" with the full band, as well as unused songs like "I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be". Yes, I'm less inclined to do hard copies, for the very reason that more info always seems to come to light, making previously-published versions obsolete, yet still out there. Websites, however, can be updated in a matter of seconds. Any plans to update the site with more albums in the not-too-distant future? Oh yeah, that's always the plan...first though, I should finish my revamping of credits and essays for Today! and Summer Days - which I started three years ago - and then add essays for Pet Sounds. Little by little!
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