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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 8, 2022 10:45:39 GMT -5
In case anybody doesn’t know this, AM rock & roll radio stations in the 60s we’re required by the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) to present a certain amount of news broadcasting in addition to their music format. Radio stations typically broadcast the news 5 minutes or so before the end of each hour, ending at the top of the hour. School started at 8:00 AM, and students were required to be in class on time, or they were marked down as tardy, and subject to discipline and/or grade reductions after several instances of tardiness.
So, if you are making out in your car before class, listening to the radio, and the news comes on, you’ve got to finish it up fast, and get to class. That’s why “Here comes the news, there’s no time to lose.”
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Post by craigslowinski on Apr 9, 2022 10:02:26 GMT -5
In case anybody doesn’t know this, AM rock & roll radio stations in the 60s we’re required by the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) to present a certain amount of news broadcasting in addition to their music format. Radio stations typically broadcast the news 5 minutes or so before the end of each hour, ending at the top of the hour. School started at 8:00 AM, and students were required to be in class on time, or they were marked down as tardy, and subject to discipline and/or grade reductions after several instances of tardiness. So, if you are making out in your car before class, listening to the radio, and the news comes on, you’ve got to finish it up fast, and get to class. That’s why “Here comes the news, there’s no time to lose.” Awesome, great historical perspective! Now imagine if you were one of the kids making out in the car, the news came on, and the announcer's voice...was Murry's!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 9, 2022 11:48:36 GMT -5
In case anybody doesn’t know this, AM rock & roll radio stations in the 60s we’re required by the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) to present a certain amount of news broadcasting in addition to their music format. Radio stations typically broadcast the news 5 minutes or so before the end of each hour, ending at the top of the hour. School started at 8:00 AM, and students were required to be in class on time, or they were marked down as tardy, and subject to discipline and/or grade reductions after several instances of tardiness. So, if you are making out in your car before class, listening to the radio, and the news comes on, you’ve got to finish it up fast, and get to class. That’s why “Here comes the news, there’s no time to lose.” Awesome, great historical perspective! Now imagine if you were one of the kids making out in the car, the news came on, and the announcer's voice...was Murry's! I always assumed that it was the School News that was coming on over the loud speakers.
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 9, 2022 12:20:47 GMT -5
Awesome, great historical perspective! Now imagine if you were one of the kids making out in the car, the news came on, and the announcer's voice...was Murry's! I always assumed that it was the School News that was coming on over the loud speakers. She's turning on the radio dial. We can sit and listen for awhile.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 9, 2022 12:59:11 GMT -5
I always assumed that it was the School News that was coming on over the loud speakers. She's turning on the radio dial. We can sit and listen for awhile. Listening to music, not the news. I guess my imagination used my own experience in the high school parking lot. 😁
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 9, 2022 13:31:47 GMT -5
She's turning on the radio dial. We can sit and listen for awhile. Listening to music, not the news. I guess my imagination used my own experience in the high school parking lot. 😁 It's been 58 years since I listened to AM radio in 1964, so I think that it's actually the top of the hour when the news came on, non five minutes before the hour. I'm not quite sure. But they weren't listening to the news, they were listening to music while making out. And when the news was about to come on, they knew they had to immediately stop and go to class. Only two minutes are left. All the kids are splitting to their lockers But we're still making out in the car now Just one long kiss and we'll be gone 'Cause two minutes all there are now Here comes the news There's no time to lose
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 9, 2022 14:59:39 GMT -5
Listening to music, not the news. I guess my imagination used my own experience in the high school parking lot. 😁 It's been 58 years since I listened to AM radio in 1964, so I think that it's actually the top of the hour when the news came on, non five minutes before the hour. I'm not quite sure. But they weren't listening to the news, they were listening to music while making out. And when the news was about to come on, they knew they had to immediately stop and go to class. Only two minutes are left. All the kids are splitting to their lockers But we're still making out in the car now Just one long kiss and we'll be gone 'Cause two minutes all there are now Here comes the news There's no time to lose I really love this song. Talk about capturing a moment in time that most of us can relate to. Every time the songs comes on, it takes me to a very pleasant time in my life. Boy, do I remember having to beat that last bell running in from the parking lot, whether making out or smoking a doobie. 😉
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Post by nts1drums on Apr 10, 2022 12:04:22 GMT -5
I just watched Joshilyn’s wonderful guitar breakdown on Kiss Me Baby, and I realized that…Carl isn’t playing an instrument on that track, is he?
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 10, 2022 20:10:06 GMT -5
He's not, and it's an interesting scenario because as far as I know, the group was all around in LA, and of course Brian hadn't "officially" retired from the road yet anyway, so I wonder why Carl wasn't included. It could be that, because this was kind of the among the first productions that really wholesale replaced the band rather than supplementing, that Brian and/or Carl wasn't sure that the dynamic would be. Of course, Carl eventually would be welcome to contribute to other fully-orchestrated cuts. But maybe they were feeling things out.
Thanks for watching my vid.
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Post by nts1drums on Apr 14, 2022 17:04:50 GMT -5
I just listened to Mount Vernon & Fairway (very underrated) and I just thought of this: do any other members (or anyone, for that matter) play anything on this EP aside from the vocals? Is the instrumentation all just Brian? Even the autoharp?
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 15, 2022 11:15:23 GMT -5
Carl plays on it quite a bit, but the specifics haven't been completely nailed down. Brian and Carl were at the tracking sessions together.
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 16, 2022 8:15:11 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that several Beach Boys tried singing the lead on “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” but Brian settled on manager Jack Rieley. So far so good. But I also remember that the fade, where different Beach Boys take turns singing lead are leftover vocals from recordings of them singing lead on the whole song. If that’s true, I wonder why they didn’t include any outtakes of the song on the Feel Flows box set with someone else singing lead. That would have been great.
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Post by WillJC on Apr 16, 2022 9:57:41 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that several Beach Boys tried singing the lead on “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” but Brian settled on manager Jack Rieley. So far so good. But I also remember that the fade, where different Beach Boys take turns singing lead are leftover vocals from recordings of them singing lead on the whole song. If that’s true, I wonder why they didn’t include any outtakes of the song on the Feel Flows box set with someone else singing lead. That would have been great. Said alternate vocals don't exist.
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Post by AGD on Apr 16, 2022 12:55:01 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that several Beach Boys tried singing the lead on “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” but Brian settled on manager Jack Rieley. So far so good. But I also remember that the fade, where different Beach Boys take turns singing lead are leftover vocals from recordings of them singing lead on the whole song. If that’s true, I wonder why they didn’t include any outtakes of the song on the Feel Flows box set with someone else singing lead. That would have been great. I've never seen that in all my 46+ years as a fan/researcher/historian/general know it all. Care to give a source ?
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 16, 2022 13:53:58 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that several Beach Boys tried singing the lead on “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” but Brian settled on manager Jack Rieley. So far so good. But I also remember that the fade, where different Beach Boys take turns singing lead are leftover vocals from recordings of them singing lead on the whole song. If that’s true, I wonder why they didn’t include any outtakes of the song on the Feel Flows box set with someone else singing lead. That would have been great. I've never seen that in all my 46+ years as a fan/researcher/historian/general know it all. Care to give a source ? I've read every book ever written about The Beach Boys, and subscribed to Rolling Stone throughout the 1970s, and although I can't remember exactly where I read it, I specifically remember the author saying that each one of the Beach Boys, as well as Van Dyke Parks gave it a try singing lead on "A Day in the Life of a Tree," but Brian wasn't happy until Jack Rieley sang it, saying his vocal sounded like a tree. The author also stated that the remnants of the various lead singers' recordings can be heard at the end of the song, where phrases by different Beach Boys and Van Dyke Parks clearly can be heard singing, one after the other. Now - the author may have made that up, but you can hear different vocalists singing lead at the end. In Keith Badman's book in the April 1971 entry, he says "Rieley recalls in Rolling Stone that he is in the studio for hours as the group tries to achieve a vocal for "A Day in the Life of a Tree." "I think everybody took a crack at it, but it just wasn't right. I was disgusted and heading for the door to go home when Brian said 'Wait a minute, Jack, come back. I want you to try the vocal.'" You can also find this on the internet: "According to the band’s engineer Stephen Desper, a version of Brian’s eco-conscious ballad, “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” was first recorded with brother Dennis Wilson on lead vocals before being replaced by manager Jack Rieley on the final track. This version has yet to surface." www.pastemagazine.com/music/brian-wilson/busy-doin-somethin-uncovering-brian-wilsons-lost-b/You can take this whole article with a grain of sand, but there it is. There's at least one lead vocal recording by Dennis that may or may not have recorded or recorded and erased that would have been nice to hear.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 16, 2022 14:08:39 GMT -5
Only Dennis sang a lead vocal, and as soon as Jack's take was recorded, Dennis' attempt no longer existed in the physical realm. Once something is taped over, it is gone and cannot be recovered. To say it has "yet to surface" is misleading. Al and Van Dyke were recorded singing the round in the tag, but that does not correlate to a lead vocal during the proper song. Just like Bruce singing the round at the end of California Girls and God Only Knows does not imply he sang a taped-over lead vocal.
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Post by Custom Machine on Apr 16, 2022 17:19:54 GMT -5
Listening to music, not the news. I guess my imagination used my own experience in the high school parking lot. 😁 It's been 58 years since I listened to AM radio in 1964, so I think that it's actually the top of the hour when the news came on, non five minutes before the hour. I'm not quite sure. But they weren't listening to the news, they were listening to music while making out. And when the news was about to come on, they knew they had to immediately stop and go to class. Only two minutes are left. All the kids are splitting to their lockers But we're still making out in the car now Just one long kiss and we'll be gone 'Cause two minutes all there are now Here comes the news There's no time to lose Yes, in 1964 radio station newscasts typically started at the top of the hour, including at lyricist and DJ Roger Christian's station, KFWB Los Angeles. Since radio stations were required to broadcast news as part of the FCC's mandate to serve the public interest, soon some Top 40 stations began airing their newscasts at 5 minutes before the hour, since most teenagers would switch to another station when the news came on. When they did so, if the station they had just switched to began their newscast 5 minutes later, at the top of the hour, the listeners who had just switched stations would then switch back to the original station, which had finished their newscast and was now playing music, thus significantly increasing the time spent listening to the station that began its news early. This sometimes led to a cat and mouse game where competing Top 40 stations would go back and forth airing their newscasts at odd times simply to ensure their news aired before a competing station. ("Boss Radio" stations, like KHJ Los Angles, which switched to Top 30 in 1965, had "20/20 News," airing at 20 minutes before the hour, as well as 20 minuets after the hour during the times their competitors also had news on the half hour, for example in morning and afternoon drive when there was more demand for news.) In the Parkin' Lot in such a great song, especially the intro and outro, so in addition to the song itself in my iTunes library, I've also created an edited version with just the intro and outro, a stellar example of BB harmonies.
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Post by jay on Apr 17, 2022 7:00:48 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that several Beach Boys tried singing the lead on “A Day in the Life of a Tree,” but Brian settled on manager Jack Rieley. So far so good. But I also remember that the fade, where different Beach Boys take turns singing lead are leftover vocals from recordings of them singing lead on the whole song. If that’s true, I wonder why they didn’t include any outtakes of the song on the Feel Flows box set with someone else singing lead. That would have been great. I've never seen that in all my 46+ years as a fan/researcher/historian/general know it all. Care to give a source ? I've read somewhere that Dennis recorded a vocal for it. Maybe the "Bedroom Tapes" article?
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Post by WillJC on Apr 17, 2022 8:08:09 GMT -5
I've never seen that in all my 46+ years as a fan/researcher/historian/general know it all. Care to give a source ? I've read somewhere that Dennis recorded a vocal for it. Maybe the "Bedroom Tapes" article? That Bedroom Tapes article has a really, really strained relationship with accuracy.
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Post by AGD on Apr 17, 2022 8:58:12 GMT -5
I've never seen that in all my 46+ years as a fan/researcher/historian/general know it all. Care to give a source ? I've read somewhere that Dennis recorded a vocal for it. Maybe the "Bedroom Tapes" article? Just checked - nope.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 17, 2022 10:17:02 GMT -5
Just because someone recorded a lead, does not mean it will ever be heard. Dennis' lead vocals on I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, Good Vibrations, and Sail On Sailor were taped over, and thus can never be heard. Same for Tree. There's no alternate vocal waiting to be released. And that Bedroom Tapes article might be my least favorite thing ever written about the Beach Boys' music. So much of it just isn't true, or is a complete misunderstanding of the music the author got to hear, and unfortunately it seems to be where everyone goes to read up on unreleased Beach Boys songs.
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 17, 2022 11:29:57 GMT -5
It's too bad. If I was producing The Beach Boys, using a 16-track recorder, and Dennis Wilson recorded a lead vocal that I decided not to use, I wouldn't record over it. I'd choose another track to record another Beach Boy vocal. On the other hand, there were plenty, and I mean plenty, of alternate takes and alternate vocals saved - as we can see from the archival releases and bootlegs like the Sea of Tunes series and others.
There is simply no excuse for having erased a Dennis Wilson lead vocal on this "A Day in the Life of a Tree", or at least making a rough mix first - considering all the other alternate takes and mixes that they did save over the decades.
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Post by AGD on Apr 17, 2022 12:05:13 GMT -5
I somehow think it's nothing like as simple as you're assuming.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Apr 17, 2022 12:11:46 GMT -5
It's too bad. If I was producing The Beach Boys, using a 16-track recorder, and Dennis Wilson recorded a lead vocal that I decided not to use, I wouldn't record over it. I'd choose another track to record another Beach Boy vocal. On the other hand, there were plenty, and I mean plenty, of alternate takes and alternate vocals saved - as we can see from the archival releases and bootlegs like the Sea of Tunes series and others. There is simply no excuse for having erased a Dennis Wilson lead vocal on this "A Day in the Life of a Tree", or at least making a rough mix first - considering all the other alternate takes and mixes that they did save over the decades. What if you were producing the track and every other track of the tape had set-in-stone elements of the arrangement? What if nobody liked Dennis's lead? There's no reason to keep it, or to make a mix of it. Artists don't hold their own work as dear as we do, at least in the same way. They had every excuse to use the tape however best served their goals at the time.
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Post by WillJC on Apr 17, 2022 12:19:38 GMT -5
Yeah, recording is a fluid process. They weren't second guessing themselves at the moment of a new idea, or knowingly preserving something for the sake of historical interest 50 years ahead - 16 tracks isn't actually a whole lot of space to work with. It's ultimately only a tool in service of reducing that material to 2 tracks in a mixdown and releasing it on an album.
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