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Post by newbbfan on Jun 4, 2023 20:56:08 GMT -5
Paul jb, Thank you for such a beautiful and resonant manifesto on the concept of change and time and age. This is a very beautiful piece of writing on your part and I'm grateful for it.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 4, 2023 23:15:02 GMT -5
Alright, what the hell happened to the "Run-Run-Wee-Ooo's" in Wouldn't It Be Be Nice? Seems like Giles made the Beach Boys disappear in the song. Ack!!! That's my favorite part of the song, those stacked harmonies on the "Run-run-ree-ooo"s.
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Post by newbbfan on Jun 4, 2023 23:51:59 GMT -5
I can hear those parts just fine so please explain further. Do you consider them to be somewhat more muted than in other versions?
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 5, 2023 5:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by Al S on Jun 5, 2023 6:24:59 GMT -5
The clip above from Giles says, 'The Beach Boys came to him' so one would have to gather Brian very much endorsed this wouldn't you say? Has Brian listened to it? Ha! highly unlikely. Have any of the Beach Boys listened to it? I suspect Giles Martin saying “the Beach Boys came to me…” means “Iconic – the company that owns every inch of The Beach Boys from their falsetto to their scrotum hair – came to me and said ‘Giles, baby, we need to hop on to this bandwagon, and Steve Wilson’s diary’s full, so…’.” That may be why the Iconic due diligence process took longer than expected.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 5, 2023 8:40:52 GMT -5
The plot thickens. While cruising through Best Buy (an electronics company based in the USA) in the TV section, I checked off Dolby Atmos as a search term feature, and stumbled on something called DTS, which I have in some dumb(non-smart TVs) (that I already own!!!!) to which I add Roku, as a result of reading lawsuits against some smart TV manufacturers remotely activating cameras on their TVs in people's homes and invading home privacy. So, I don't trust smart TVs and the non-smart ones are not available at the same price point) so I use Roku (even on smart TVs) as a kind of firewall because smart TVs collect user/viewer habits information, sell it to advertisers, political organizations, etc.) and they tell you at the outset. Caveat emptor. On the Best Buy (store brand) Insignia TVs (the non-smart but I think good quality) there is a technology called DTS, which is also theater immersive sound company, and they are a competitor to Dolby Atmos, who are essentially in the same sound theater/film business. Now Windows is involved at another level. Finding this makes me feel less dumb, less out-gunned in this very complex sound game. There are now sound bars/speakers that now are branded as supporting both DTS/X and Dolby Atmos. So there is an alternative for immersive sound you already might have and not recognize it as a brand you already own. See what you think... www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/dts-X-the-dolby-atmos-alternative-explained/
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Post by ohm on Jun 5, 2023 8:46:09 GMT -5
More and more lately I feel like my world is becoming extinct. I'm "only" 47 and feel the same. I find I'm vaguely intrigued in something like this Atmos thing, but not really enough to pursue it. This endless revision of the past seems to me to be filling a massive cultural void we seem to have hit this past couple of decades. In an ideal world we'd all be much more interested in the great new stuff that's happening today, but in the absence of that we have virtual ABBA and suchlike. It's a strange time.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 5, 2023 8:49:56 GMT -5
The plot thickens. While cruising through Best Buy (an electronics company based in the USA) in the TV section, I checked off Dolby Atmos as a search term feature, and stumbled on something called DTS, which I have in some dumb(non-smart TVs) (that I already own!!!!) to which I add Roku, as a result of reading lawsuits against some smart TV manufacturers remotely activating cameras on their TVs in people's homes and invading home privacy. So, I don't trust smart TVs and the non-smart ones are not available at the same price point) so I use Roku (even on smart TVs) as a kind of firewall because smart TVs collect user/viewer habits information, sell it to advertisers, political organizations, etc.) and they tell you at the outset. Caveat emptor. On the Best Buy (store brand) Insignia TVs (the non-smart but I think good quality) there is a technology called DTS, which is also theater immersive sound company, and they are a competitor to Dolby Atmos, who are essentially in the same sound theater/film business. Now Windows is involved at another level. Finding this makes me feel less dumb, less out-gunned in this very complex sound game. There are now sound bars/speakers that now are branded as supporting both DTS/X and Dolby Atmos. So there is an alternative for immersive sound you already might have and not recognize it as a brand you already own. See what you think... www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/dts-X-the-dolby-atmos-alternative-explained/If you collect Blu Ray's, have a look at the audio that the disc is encoded in. You'll either find Dolby Digital or Atmos .. or .. DTS (which has been used for Blu Ray's for a long time now).
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 5, 2023 9:24:22 GMT -5
The plot thickens. While cruising through Best Buy (an electronics company based in the USA) in the TV section, I checked off Dolby Atmos as a search term feature, and stumbled on something called DTS, which I have in some dumb(non-smart TVs) (that I already own!!!!) to which I add Roku, as a result of reading lawsuits against some smart TV manufacturers remotely activating cameras on their TVs in people's homes and invading home privacy. So, I don't trust smart TVs and the non-smart ones are not available at the same price point) so I use Roku (even on smart TVs) as a kind of firewall because smart TVs collect user/viewer habits information, sell it to advertisers, political organizations, etc.) and they tell you at the outset. Caveat emptor. On the Best Buy (store brand) Insignia TVs (the non-smart but I think good quality) there is a technology called DTS, which is also theater immersive sound company, and they are a competitor to Dolby Atmos, who are essentially in the same sound theater/film business. Now Windows is involved at another level. Finding this makes me feel less dumb, less out-gunned in this very complex sound game. There are now sound bars/speakers that now are branded as supporting both DTS/X and Dolby Atmos. So there is an alternative for immersive sound you already might have and not recognize it as a brand you already own. See what you think... www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/dts-X-the-dolby-atmos-alternative-explained/If you collect Blu Ray's, have a look at the audio that the disc is encoded in. You'll either find Dolby Digital or Atmos .. or .. DTS (which has been used for Blu Ray's for a long time now). There you go! And my first Pet Sounds listen was on a suitcase mono phonograph with 2" speakers. So it would be a good thing to own a copy in that format? The thing is with "licensed technologies" is that the company can pull the plug whenever they like but if you own a hard copy you are pretty much all set. A license is a limited right for a term. That includes a seat at a baseball game. And, I think of my sling boxes which are now as good as doorstops, when the company stopped supporting remote access and those licenses ended with no servers standing in their shoes. Caveat emptor, always. I'd still rather go to a theater, and listen with all the correctly-tuned sound systems in place, which is probably an untapped theater resource for audiences with all the competitors against Netflix and other platforms. The real reason is because you are only getting either a compressed version or a "virtual" version with some of the work-arounds. We'll see. Smart techies will figure work-arounds for this. This new company does not likely have an infinite right to the work it is finite, or limited.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 5, 2023 10:08:50 GMT -5
Absolutely! .. which is why I prefer to have a physical format, or a digital file (at the very least). The only danger of redundancy with a physical format is the medium you play it back on. These audio formats on physical media are backed-up with decades of use and if one does fall by the wayside, at least the physical disc can be played back with another sound format encoded on it.
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Post by Al S on Jun 5, 2023 20:14:30 GMT -5
Alright, what the hell happened to the "Run-Run-Wee-Ooo's" in Wouldn't It Be Be Nice? Seems like Giles made the Beach Boys disappear in the song. Hey Dirk, all - I can confirm via the Tidal Atmos presentation that the "Run-Run-Wee-Ooo"'s in Wouldn't It Be Nice (Dirk's favourite BB track) are well resolved in this mix - quite bright, a little sonically smoother than the lead vocal track, which seems to run a bit hot (imo) - and in a bizarre way a little jarring against the rest of the track's uniform vocal sonics. This indicates to me these backgrounds are distinctly separated to their own track or space in the mix, as per the opportunities one may use in mixing to Atmos - and perhaps that specific track/space has been lost in another services's re-encoding (or ripping) - who knows, not me!
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 6, 2023 0:48:23 GMT -5
Absolutely! .. which is why I prefer to have a physical format, or a digital file (at the very least). The only danger of redundancy with a physical format is the medium you play it back on. These audio formats on physical media are backed-up with decades of use and if one does fall by the wayside, at least the physical disc can be played back with another sound format encoded on it. This is something that cannot be overlooked. I've gone through the same process of realizing my new computer does not have a 'blu ray' drive and are now available as an external device, so that's additional hardware now I have to buy that my old computer 'naturally' installed. Also, while I have a bunch of DVD and CD players, I am now without a DVD-Audio player for one reason or another. It does not encourage me to source new formats at all, when these other formats I rarely use in the first place.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 6, 2023 7:51:16 GMT -5
Is there any way to download the Atmos files? Are they Ogg files?
I've never really embraced streaming. I don't mind downloading a non-physical product, but I really like to have the actual file. I want to be able to break this thing apart and listen to the individual stems!
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Post by Awesoman on Jun 6, 2023 9:37:22 GMT -5
Is there any way to download the Atmos files? Are they Ogg files? I've never really embraced streaming. I don't mind downloading a non-physical product, but I really like to have the actual file. I want to be able to break this thing apart and listen to the individual stems! I don't think there's really a conventional way to download Atmos files at this point. Or even a conventional way to even play them. The closest thing I can think of is that several of the Beatles deluxe box sets in recent years contained a Blu-ray disc with an Atmos mix included.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 7, 2023 23:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by newbbfan on Jun 8, 2023 0:24:13 GMT -5
It's is extremely moving to read this review, and even though I'm just talking about listening to it in my car, I nonetheless have said similar things above. The voices seem to reveal the individual character and personality of the beach boys in ways though that I have never heard before in listening to this album.
I can't comment on the technology, but I can agree that I felt a tremendous surge of emotion in listening to mike and bruce and al and brian and dennis, and carl with an urgency and poignancy and immediacy that I was not accustomed to hearing in this is recording, which already had just about as much poignancy and intimacy and emotion as one could ever hope for in a record album.
Also I've been listening to the Talking Heads albums also on the tidal app in Dolby and that's another revelation there. And also Amy Winehouse, back to black.
Pardon me if I mentioned this before, but I think there really is something serious about this Dolby. thank you all for these great contributions and wonderful conversation.
Listening to more beach boys and hearing more elements of the composition and appreciating them so deeply can never be a bad thing.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 8, 2023 13:05:54 GMT -5
It's is extremely moving to read this review, and even though I'm just talking about listening to it in my car, I nonetheless have said similar things above. The voices seem to reveal the individual character and personality of the beach boys in ways though that I have never heard before in listening to this album. I can't comment on the technology, but I can agree that I felt a tremendous surge of emotion in listening to mike and bruce and al and brian and dennis, and carl with an urgency and poignancy and immediacy that I was not accustomed to hearing in this is recording, which already had just about as much poignancy and intimacy and emotion as one could ever hope for in a record album. Also I've been listening to the Talking Heads albums also on the tidal app in Dolby and that's another revelation there. And also Amy Winehouse, back to black. Pardon me if I mentioned this before, but I think there really is something serious about this Dolby. thank you all for these great contributions and wonderful conversation. Listening to more beach boys and hearing more elements of the composition and appreciating them so deeply can never be a bad thing. I agree. Anything that encourages deep, concentrated listening is a good thing in my book. Pet Sounds is really a double headed beast. It works on an emotional level, and a pure musical level, what with all the contrapuntal details. Every instrument and vocal line exists within its own melodic logical universe, whilst working in unison to create the whole. Baroque pop is a moniker usually applied to anything with a harpsichord, but in the case of Pet Sounds it is entirely apt. Melodies everywhere! During my misspent youth, I used to listen to the mono Pet Sounds on acid. I distinctly remember each instrument and voice whirling independently around me. If the Atmos mix goes halfway to approximating that, I'll be more than satisfied.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 8, 2023 13:28:27 GMT -5
It's is extremely moving to read this review, and even though I'm just talking about listening to it in my car, I nonetheless have said similar things above. The voices seem to reveal the individual character and personality of the beach boys in ways though that I have never heard before in listening to this album. I can't comment on the technology, but I can agree that I felt a tremendous surge of emotion in listening to mike and bruce and al and brian and dennis, and carl with an urgency and poignancy and immediacy that I was not accustomed to hearing in this is recording, which already had just about as much poignancy and intimacy and emotion as one could ever hope for in a record album. Also I've been listening to the Talking Heads albums also on the tidal app in Dolby and that's another revelation there. And also Amy Winehouse, back to black. Pardon me if I mentioned this before, but I think there really is something serious about this Dolby. thank you all for these great contributions and wonderful conversation. Listening to more beach boys and hearing more elements of the composition and appreciating them so deeply can never be a bad thing. I agree. Anything that encourages deep, concentrated listening is a good thing in my book. Pet Sounds is really a double headed beast. It works on an emotional level, and a pure musical level, what with all the contrapuntal details. Every instrument and vocal line exists within its own melodic logical universe, whilst working in unison to create the whole. Baroque pop is a moniker usually applied to anything with a harpsichord, but in the case of Pet Sounds it is entirely apt. Melodies everywhere! During my misspent youth, I used to listen to the mono Pet Sounds on acid. I distinctly remember each instrument and voice whirling independently around me. If the Atmos mix goes halfway to approximating that, I'll be more than satisfied. Your youth was not mis-spent if you listened to Pet Sounds regardless of what ever challenges you were facing. Your brain was still working on some level to process this music.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 9, 2023 4:02:33 GMT -5
I agree. Anything that encourages deep, concentrated listening is a good thing in my book. Pet Sounds is really a double headed beast. It works on an emotional level, and a pure musical level, what with all the contrapuntal details. Every instrument and vocal line exists within its own melodic logical universe, whilst working in unison to create the whole. Baroque pop is a moniker usually applied to anything with a harpsichord, but in the case of Pet Sounds it is entirely apt. Melodies everywhere! During my misspent youth, I used to listen to the mono Pet Sounds on acid. I distinctly remember each instrument and voice whirling independently around me. If the Atmos mix goes halfway to approximating that, I'll be more than satisfied. Your youth was not mis-spent if you listened to Pet Sounds regardless of what ever challenges you were facing. Your brain was still working on some level to process this music. My brain feels insulted now. Far from being the vegetable you describe, I was a magnificent youth! Les enfant wunderbar. OK, perhaps ever so slightly comatose. 😆
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 9, 2023 5:28:24 GMT -5
Your youth was not mis-spent if you listened to Pet Sounds regardless of what ever challenges you were facing. Your brain was still working on some level to process this music. My brain feels insulted now. Far from being the vegetable you describe, I was a magnificent youth! Les enfant wunderbar. OK, perhaps ever so slightly comatose. 😆 Certainly not the intent. Whatever you are involved in, Pet Sounds is the go-to.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 9, 2023 10:28:42 GMT -5
Is there any way to download the Atmos files? of course there is, it’s called piracy. Outside of that… Nope. Edit: I was slightly wrong. You can technically download Dolby Atmos Music from Apple Music with an Apple Music subscription, but the downloads are stuck in the Apple Music app, in a proprietary format, and will only play if you have a currently ongoing Apple Music subscription. So technically, yes, you can download them. But I’m almost 100% certain that’s not what you’re talking about.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 9, 2023 10:35:19 GMT -5
Interesting. Of course there are piracy places to go to where movies can be downloaded that contain Atmos files, but .. Atmos music files??? That's a new one on me.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 9, 2023 11:56:32 GMT -5
Is there any way to download the Atmos files? of course there is, it’s called piracy. Outside of that… Nope. Edit: I was slightly wrong. You can technically download Dolby Atmos Music from Apple Music with an Apple Music subscription, but the downloads are stuck in the Apple Music app, in a proprietary format, and will only play if you have a currently ongoing Apple Music subscription. So technically, yes, you can download them. But I’m almost 100% certain that’s not what you’re talking about. If they released the multis legally, they can take my money. Any price. I will remortgage my house. Until then.....
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Post by andrewhickey on Jun 9, 2023 16:16:42 GMT -5
There is software out there that allows you to rip Atmos files from Tidal. I won't link it here, because I don't want to violate any rules, but it's not at all difficult to find... (EDIT: To be clear, doing this is not legal. But given that anyone doing this would have to have a Tidal subscription, and that the labels refuse to release it for actual purchase, and that I assume everyone here has bought roughly ten thousand copies of Pet Sounds already in one format or another, I don't think it would be immoral. That said, I'm not bothering, because a) I only have two ears and b) I want to hear the music how its creators intended it, not someone else's reimagining of it)
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 11, 2023 10:01:46 GMT -5
I agree, Andrew. .. but only half-heartedly joking, if you go to the cinema: Make sure they show it in Stereo only .. as you're quite correct .. we only have two ears, anything more than Stereo will be lost on us
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