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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 3, 2023 6:35:38 GMT -5
Colour me officially confused: I've been told, by folk I trust, that... 1) no you don't need any special plugins or widgets, just headphones... or... 2) yes, you need dedicated Atmos cans. Elucidation greatly appreciated. A further observation: has Brian in any way endorsed this (social media posts don't really count) ? Was he consulted, has he listened to it ? As far as I understand it, it will work on any headphones, but you need the spatialiser plugin installed on your device. There are quite a few out there, some of which may be free. Most seem to be a one-off payment though. Dolby do their own, here's a review. Microsoft are offering a free trial on theirs. Having never done it, I can't tell you if setup is simple or complex.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 3, 2023 8:12:03 GMT -5
Colour me officially confused: I've been told, by folk I trust, that... 1) no you don't need any special plugins or widgets, just headphones... or... 2) yes, you need dedicated Atmos cans. Elucidation greatly appreciated. A further observation: has Brian in any way endorsed this (social media posts don't really count) ? Was he consulted, has he listened to it ? As far as I understand it, it will work on any headphones, but you need the spatialiser plugin installed on your device. There are quite a few out there, some of which may be free. Most seem to be a one-off payment though. Dolby do their own, here's a review. Microsoft are offering a free trial on theirs. Having never done it, I can't tell you if setup is simple or complex. As perplexed maybe, as Andrew, and on the search to make this user friendly, because it isn't. I read that there is a Dolby App (Apple Store) but there are nearly a half dozen. Which to choose? One says from the link above (thank you) that there is a free 7 day trial and then you pay $15 US dollars. But as among the ones in the App Store I have no clue as to which one to choose. It is supposed to flow from your device to your speakers or in your headphones. I have some of those extravagant (but on sale) Bose sunglasses and don't know if the app tunnel-of-sound (wall-of-sound) will get a translator for those since they are relatively new. Frankly, I'd rather go to a theater where some sound engineer has the speakers perfectly positioned with the technology instead of some "virtual" (which is make-believe) experience since is sounding like bait-and-switch with very murky descriptions. Of course, I would love to hear Pet Sounds played in this setting. Perhaps there will be some colleges or universities which have this set up in their theaters, and can offer it to the public for some nominal charge. There are a bunch of "gaming" headphones with the technology built-in. The least expensive Bose sound bar is about $400. Not going there. They talk about a type of software to be installed? How does that get installed if there is no compatible driver in the headphones, themselves? What it looks like is a passive system, with your headphones, being air-played to, by the iPhone or other device. Is there someone who has figured this out? It is described as a "spatializer" and/or a "plug-in." Dolby Atmos is a brand/technique and it is a product.
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Post by carllove on Jun 3, 2023 8:45:11 GMT -5
According to Digital Trends, the above mentioned devices already support spatial audio. The “trick” to using ANY wired headphones, is to select “Always On” in the Apple Music settings. If you select “Automatic” and don’t have AirPods, etc., your phone will not send the music in Atmos. Also make sure that “Sound Check” is enabled in the Apple Music settings, or the tracks won’t be as loud as they should be. If you listen with your device speaker though - the “Automatic” selection will work as well. Might give it a listen with headphones on, since both our iPads and my phone qualify. I actually have a pair of Beats with a lightning connector. Should work for me.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 3, 2023 9:52:12 GMT -5
www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a34291937/dolby-atmos-versus-dolby-audioOn an uninstalled Roku stream bar box, I noticed the terms Dolby Audio. According to this article, it is not Atmos, which is 3D - Dolby Audio is 2D. It is a licensed technology. It is very confusing in the marketplace, almost like a kind of marketplace trickery. Still the best place I think, would be a controlled theater or studio environment, [maybe a way for some small studios to make a few bucks,] to offer Pet Sounds for a whine-and-cheese performance, in Dolby Atmos. Otherwise, who knows if we are fooling ourselves with such deceptive branding and marketing.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 3, 2023 11:30:20 GMT -5
www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a34291937/dolby-atmos-versus-dolby-audioOn an uninstalled Roku stream bar box, I noticed the terms Dolby Audio. According to this article, it is not Atmos, which is 3D - Dolby Audio is 2D. It is a licensed technology. It is very confusing in the marketplace, almost like a kind of marketplace trickery. Still the best place I think, would be a controlled theater or studio environment, [maybe a way for some small studios to make a few bucks,] to offer Pet Sounds for a whine-and-cheese performance, in Dolby Atmos. Otherwise, who knows if we are fooling ourselves with such deceptive branding and marketing. I'm going to explore this at length both on headphones and a live listening environment. If you can wait a few weeks I'll give you my honest views on whether its worth taking the plunge with this, although feedback thus far sounds positive. I can also guide you through the process if you want. I don't think it will be convoluted.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 3, 2023 11:48:33 GMT -5
www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a34291937/dolby-atmos-versus-dolby-audioOn an uninstalled Roku stream bar box, I noticed the terms Dolby Audio. According to this article, it is not Atmos, which is 3D - Dolby Audio is 2D. It is a licensed technology. It is very confusing in the marketplace, almost like a kind of marketplace trickery. Still the best place I think, would be a controlled theater or studio environment, [maybe a way for some small studios to make a few bucks,] to offer Pet Sounds for a whine-and-cheese performance, in Dolby Atmos. Otherwise, who knows if we are fooling ourselves with such deceptive branding and marketing. I'm going to explore this at length both on headphones and a live listening environment. If you can wait a few weeks I'll give you my honest views on whether it's worth taking the plunge with this, although feedback thus far sounds positive. I can also guide you through the process if you want. I don't think it will be convoluted. Thanks, and of course I can wait. You can get Atmos headphones if they are the gaming variety. It is interesting because I love the Sessions from the original box set to hear the pieces being put together. I'd bet most don't know what this is all about and include myself among them. I do see some deception in the marketing of this as in the case of Roku and I was a very early adopter of Roku. Dolby Audio is not Dolby Atmos but that is the deceptive branding you see right now if you don't read the fine print. Thanks, again.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jun 3, 2023 20:51:15 GMT -5
I was lucky enough to attend the premiere in Hollywood, where the mix was played in a Dolby screening room, which was specifically designed for ideal Atmos playback...
It was the only time I've gone to a theater just to hear an album, and I don't listen to music in a surround/spatial setting often, so I don't think I'm equipped to judge the quality of the mix in comparison to other retrospective Atmos mixes. But in terms of where certain elements are placed in three-dimensional space, it did seem pretty front-heavy, which I liked quite a bit. The tracks and lead vocals were mostly in front of us, while backing vocals, extra doubles, and some subtle echo effects could be heard from above and behind. Giles described it as 3 big tracks in the front, with a ring of audio that goes backwards and surrounds the listener. I'm guessing that this effect is what people with a home surround setup will experience from this mix.
I should also note that we were sitting in the front row, so that is another factor to consider as I reflect on my listening experience. Everyone in the room had a slightly different balance.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 3, 2023 22:26:02 GMT -5
Sadly it's currently not available for Amazon Prime Music yet but hopefully that will change soon as I do not subscribe to either Apple Music or Tidal (still an iPod junkie over here). Would be curious to hear how a Giles Martin mix will sound. Not to change the subject too much but didn't Brian Wilson (or someone in his camp) once approach Giles about producing a remixed Beach Boys compilation similar to what he did for the Beatles' 𝐿𝑜𝑣𝑒 experiment? And apparently Giles declined? I wonder what prompted him to tackle this album? It's Pet Sounds.
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Post by newbbfan on Jun 3, 2023 23:55:49 GMT -5
I have listened to it about 10 times under the circumstances I described above: with the Samsung android phone toggled over to Dolby atmos and listening to the atmos stream from the tidal Music app in my Mustang with pretty good aftermarket speakers and amp and subwoofer ,and it sounds just so unbelievably amazing. Put you in a mental space that I've never imagined before. I won't pretend to know anything about the acoustics or the neuroscience but it really was a trip. Everything is so layered like you could reach out and touch the individual instrumental parts and and voices and everything just seems to appear-- or be felt-- at a different part in your head. Really weird but really beautiful and what an incredibly brilliant album this is.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 4, 2023 4:47:12 GMT -5
Hmmm.... Sounds like.... 'Pet Sounds'. Impressed!
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 4, 2023 6:47:17 GMT -5
This is out 6 months - apparently YT does not support Atmos.
Confused yet?
Pretty good explanation, I think. It describes licensing.
Where it's at...on my daily listen mix - Carl and Billy...and sounding brilliant, on my primitive $20 DIY Goodwill (thrift shop) Harmon Kardon set-up, complete with a subwoofer! 😂
This is a bigger learning curve than I originally thought - and quite intimidating. Very interesting that compression of signal is mentioned for online use. So, something broadcast over the air, in high definition could be on the TV as standard definition.
Lots to think about and why the theater listen, professionally setup, would be far superior to whatever trickery is out there to sell this product and licensing.
Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware.
But, I do wonder, what Mr. Desper thinks of all this as he "surrounded and drenched" thousands of stages with live BB sounds. 🤷♀️
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 4, 2023 8:54:38 GMT -5
I'm really living in the Jurassic Park era.... I'm still catching up. I've yet to hear Pet Sounds in SHM-CD and even in Hi-Res UHQCD - MQA.
Like my Basset hound mate up above, it probably makes very little concernable difference on my ears at this point. I'm Ok with it also, but I do find it all very interesting just the same.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 4, 2023 9:36:52 GMT -5
I'm really living in the Jurassic Park era.... I'm still catching up. I've yet to hear Pet Sounds in SHM-CD and even in Hi-Res UHQCD - MQA. Like my Basset hound mate up above, it probably makes very little concernable difference on my ears at this point. I'm Ok with it also, but I do find it all very interesting just the same. Me, too. I have the original vinyl - from the day of release. Listened to on a suitcase mono "phonograph" with a 2" speaker, so a lot of this sound drama is just so beyond me. 😂 But, it would not keep me from going to a proper venue for a listening session to understand what this is all about.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 4, 2023 11:04:03 GMT -5
I'm really living in the Jurassic Park era.... I'm still catching up. I've yet to hear Pet Sounds in SHM-CD and even in Hi-Res UHQCD - MQA. Like my Basset hound mate up above, it probably makes very little concernable difference on my ears at this point. I'm Ok with it also, but I do find it all very interesting just the same. Me, too. I have the original vinyl - from the day of release. Listened to on a suitcase mono "phonograph" with a 2" speaker, so a lot of this sound drama is just so beyond me. 😂 But, it would not keep me from going to a proper venue for a listening session to understand what this is all about. Yeap, same boat here as well. I can enjoy the Mono and the 96' Stereo version that Mark did, that was a game changer in terms of a new listening experience and perhaps the newly re-used Carl Wilson/Desper Master they've been using lately, I'll go with that. Everything else since has been a bit 'blah' for my ears. Gosh! I must own over 10 different copies of it at this point. I even have the DVD-Audio version but I don't really hear anything there that I didn't hear before. I've gone from Analog to Digital, and quite frankly at this point, with all of the 'tweaking', I don't favor one over the other. I recently played a generic 50th anniversary Mono from Capitol Records on vinyl, and it sounded quite beautiful. Guess at this point I'm saying, I'm kind of 'done' with 'Pet Sounds'....As great as it is.
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Post by jk on Jun 4, 2023 11:12:46 GMT -5
Me, too. I have the original vinyl - from the day of release. Listened to on a suitcase mono "phonograph" with a 2" speaker, so a lot of this sound drama is just so beyond me. 😂 But, it would not keep me from going to a proper venue for a listening session to understand what this is all about. Lucky you. I bought the original vinyl a little later, in early 1967 when my pop album-buying spree took off. I'm relieved to hear this "sound drama" is not just lost on me. Give me the muddy mono original any day!
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 4, 2023 11:13:45 GMT -5
Me, too. I have the original vinyl - from the day of release. Listened to on a suitcase mono "phonograph" with a 2" speaker, so a lot of this sound drama is just so beyond me. 😂 But, it would not keep me from going to a proper venue for a listening session to understand what this is all about. Yeap, same boat here as well. I can enjoy the Mono and the 96' Stereo version that Mark did, that was a game changer in terms of a new listening experience and perhaps the newly re-used Carl Wilson/Desper Master they've been using lately, I'll go with that. Everything else since has been a bit 'blah' for my ears. Gosh! I must own over 10 different copies of it at this point. I even have the DVD-Audio version but I don't really hear anything there that I didn't hear before. I've gone from Analog to Digital, and quite frankly at this point, with all of the 'tweaking', I don't favor one over the other. I recently played a generic 50th anniversary Mono from Capitol Records on vinyl, and it sounded quite beautiful. Guess at this point I'm saying, I'm kind of 'done' with 'Pet Sounds'....As great as it is. This discussion prompted me to grab that uninstalled Roku stream bar, with "Dolby Audio" and set it up. It was no more expensive on sale than the regular Roku hockey puck version. So for $100 it has Roku and Dolby audio which is a step-up from what was on the TV. So you get a speaker for the same price as the streamer. And so, it is 2D audio, not surround sound. Brian did this sound stuff, to sound good on an am radio, mono, of course in a car or your kitchen radio plugged in or transistor radio, from the 60s from what I have read, and here is where his hearing-disabled ear on one side became his strength. Boy, did Brian ever know his audience. He knew kids had am radios in their used cars that they bought with after school job money. It still sounds great in mono. And we didn't know any differently, either. I wouldn't have it any other way. ❤️🎶
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 4, 2023 13:20:33 GMT -5
For what it's worth, the complete George Harrison catalog has been released in Dolby Atmos spacial audio surround sound, exclusive to Apple Music.
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Post by newbbfan on Jun 4, 2023 13:44:02 GMT -5
If anyone has tidal it has a search that's dedicated exclusively to Dolby Atmos re-releases and new releases, and it has a number of playlists, such as a rock and roll playlist that has the songs by The Beach Boys and also the doors
And I have to say that LA woman the final Door's album sounds completely amazing as well.Has anyone else simply listened in the car on good after market speakers with the tidal app and the Dolby atmos settings? I wanna see if anyone has had similar experience and pleasure as I have. thank you all.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 4, 2023 14:01:36 GMT -5
If anyone has tidal it has a search that's dedicated exclusively to Dolby Atmos re-releases and new releases, and it has a number of playlists, such as a rock and roll playlist that has the songs by The Beach Boys and also the doors And I have to say that LA woman the final Door's album sounds completely amazing as well.Has anyone else simply listened in the car on good after market speakers with the tidal app and the Dolby atmos settings? I wanna see if anyone has had similar experience and pleasure as I have. thank you all. So if you go in your car - and Bluetooth the Dolby App - you can get it in your car? So you could get the sound behind you and to the sides if the doors have speakers? Does the software know how to distribute it?
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Jun 4, 2023 14:20:22 GMT -5
COMMENT TO Rick Barlett:
But, I do wonder, what Mr. Desper thinks of all this as he "surrounded and drenched" thousands of stages with live BB sounds. 🤷♀️
A long time ago it was my job to "surround and drench" audiences of a few hundred to many thousands with live BB sounds. What does that mean? It means that the source of my mix were six live animated and singing Beach Boys with Dennis on the drums and the others on the front line. All was live and analog. No click tracks, no supporting tracks, no pitch correction, and no in-the-ear headphones. Just pure unadulterated, unfettered and unassisted talent on stage and me. They sang, strummed their guitars, played a keyboard and beat the drums, the rest was up to me. Pull down the master fader on the console and all you heard was a thin sounding distant drum kit. Push the master fader back up and you heard the entire sonic presentation, which was my responsibility. The blend, the balance, the tonal accent, the timing of leads, the added effects, were at my discretion -- plus I also did the headphone mix. AND sometimes even gave lighting cues to the stagehands as the show unfolded. I don't mean to blow my own horn, just telling you that's the way it was. Today I look back at those shows and wonder how the hell I did it. I had no help other than the stage BB manager. The sound system setup was up to me directing local stagehands what to do. Once everything was in place, the boys and I got a mix at soundcheck, knowing it would all change with an audience in place. The acoustics would be different, the energy between the act and the listeners could change what songs were played and the order. You had to be on-your-toes every second. No digital assistance, not even a song-order you could count on. The net result of all this -- what seems by today's complexities very primitive -- were shows that were inconsistent . . . sometimes average and sometimes outstanding. In a word, organic. Today you trade spontaneity for consistency. Some shows had a spark, where the performance was super and the mix right-on. Other nights, ho-hum but OK and maybe I missed some cues or didn't get a good blend until well into the show. Digital tracking and in-the-ear monitors guarantee a good, but average show every time, and with today's ticket prices maybe that is as it should be.
What do I think of Atmos? I'm not a big fan, but I suppose it's inevitable. Just as you can't expect a live show by six Beach Boys anymore, but the music is timeless. Someday soon, perhaps in your lifetime (not mine) it will be common to buy a ticket and see a complete AGI Beach Boy show -- all the guys back on stage performing as directed by their own AI self-will with movements and playing of instruments, singing too. It will all be entertaining and worth the price of the ticket, but absent will be the soul of the music and performance. That's sort of what I hear when going to concerts today. The performers are on stage, but all the technology has removed the soul from the performers. They are just live extensions of an AI directed digital creation. Not organic -- synthetic. Not free, but tethered to a digital menu. If you're old enough to have experience a live analog six-man Beach Boy concert you will know what I mean. But if you're younger, I doubt my words will impact you.
Two study-videos really provide what I believe is the best representation of those old hit's of Brian's. The study-video on God Only Knows and one called Surfing Hits. Both have tracks that offer the best mixes and presentations of those songs, in my opinion. Yes, better than Atmos, IMO. Of course you can re-mix any song over 288 loudspeakers positioned around a room and it will be a WOW factor. But in the end we have only two ears. If you know what you are doing, you can give the listener the same presentation. It will not be suitable for a large audience, which is what Atmos is all about -- theater. Read the Atmos patent. It's a system designed for the cinema. It works great and I like it there, but you don't need all that complexity when listening in a living room. You can do the same thing with two speakers and two ears, if you know what you're doing. So, for me -- I know what I'm doing, I don't need Atmos. But it has a place for other listeners and certainly can provide a unique and enjoyable experience.
So, if you like the new and improved, go for it. As for me, I'm content just spinning my 33 1/3 vinyl. ~SWD
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Post by newbbfan on Jun 4, 2023 15:07:56 GMT -5
Filledeplage, I cannot confirm in any scientific sense that I get it through that method. The question is what "it" really means. But it sounds absolutely different from every other available mix played under the same conditions.It's got this weird spatial way of layring things to make instruments and voices sound clear and distinct. Again. I add the proviso for all this that I'm listening with my hearing aids on a particular setting and I've explained the settings on the android phone from the tidal app. Definitely sounds different and wonderful and rich and the opposite of the muddy sound that I always associate with the great pet Sounds album. So I make no scientific claim whatsoever, only that listening under these conditions provided a really wonderful experience for this and other songs such as the that of the Doors. I made a playlist for fellow tidal subscribers. Let me know how it sounds in hotrod. tidal.com/playlist/1e014505-a565-4152-80dd-809b836b9b21
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 4, 2023 15:26:13 GMT -5
Alright, what the hell happened to the "Run-Run-Wee-Ooo's" in Wouldn't It Be Be Nice? Seems like Giles made the Beach Boys disappear in the song.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 4, 2023 19:34:31 GMT -5
Filledeplage, I cannot confirm in any scientific sense that I get it through that method. The question is what "it" really means. But it sounds absolutely different from every other available mix played under the same conditions.It's got this weird spatial way of layring things to make instruments and voices sound clear and distinct. Again. I add the proviso for all this that I'm listening with my hearing aids on a particular setting and I've explained the settings on the android phone from the tidal app. Definitely sounds different and wonderful and rich and the opposite of the muddy sound that I always associate with the great pet Sounds album. So I make no scientific claim whatsoever, only that listening under these conditions provided a really wonderful experience for this and other songs such as the that of the Doors. I made a playlist for fellow tidal subscribers. Let me know how it sounds in hotrod. tidal.com/playlist/1e014505-a565-4152-80dd-809b836b9b21Nice playlist. Thanks. I think I am geo-blocked from the promotion. I think there is a lot to unpack here, because this whole deal is part of the campaign to "make the BBs cool again" (maybe a poor choice of words) - I can't even go there. And the seductive-sounding technology used to market this music in this 2023 year a renewable thing since for decades nothing compared to the quality of music of the 60s and the 70s and not unlike the recycled TV shows and Disney remakes, we are seeing now, there seems to be a drought in creativity, and I can't be any nicer about that. First, it was remixes, combining rock with hip hop, then a resurgence in rock music after disco died out, which my kids even noticed when they saw the Stones and were as blown away as we were in the 60s and 70s. That is not to say there are not very talented artists but the same synergy does not seem to be present. And I mean Beatles, BBs and The Stones. So now these music mega-corps are repacking this music and are presented with the issue of how best to do it and as luck would have it, there is this dynamic called Dolby Atmos to present the music in another format, but we need to know exactly what it is. It is like the manufactured shortage of Cabbage Patch dolls in the 80s. But, I'm not interested in holograms performing in an AI dynamic because we all know it is fake and not sentient, much as they would like it to be so. It is the difference between real and make believe. Mr. Desper could be correct in his assessment of its inevitability. I doubt that without widespread sales of these speakers with the capability for Atmos, that right now it is stalled. It is no different from VHS evaporating, when DVDs became popular and now you can buy a DVD player for $30. It was equipment-driven. We can't be naive, either, as consumers, misreading Dolby Audio for Dolby Atmos and was at my own doorstep until I read the fine print. Same 5 letters, starting with capital A with a very different sound output. It is false and misleading in the marketplace. It is like this foolishness over electric cars where there is no built-out infrastructure of charging ports everywhere. I don't see contemporaries of the band, generation-wise running out to buy Dolby Atmos equipment. But that is not to say we are not curious because after all these years it became second-nature. When the Doc BB notices a missing phrase from WIBN you know he is in good company. Hearing those subtleties is probably important to the nerds. I'm a charter member of that group. And I think they are marketing it improperly to expect the original fans who might not have these streaming subscriptions to listen to what they already own in multiple formats because they are not connecting the equipment to the music format. Some extinct formats they can't even use - such as 8-tracks because that technology is gone as well. They did not think this through from where I sit.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 4, 2023 19:44:08 GMT -5
Comment to ….SWD
Nearly every time you post something it’s both educational and entertaining. It’s like you are Lee Dempsey and Cam Mott rolled into one! I’m not the first and certainly not last to say thanks and glad you are here.
Newbbfan… it sounds like you are cranking the sound up high in your car. I have a generic Camry… but any car I’ve been in, if the sound isn’t way up, all of the ambient car noise, tires rolling and traffic whizzing around make listening in a car no match to listening at home to my stereo system. I know much of the new mixes that have been debated for a few years now are indeed geared towards earbuds and surround car speakers. Even my Camry has maybe six. Not doubting that you are hearing it differently in atmos but I’m wondering how much is the atmos and how much being surrounded by speakers cranked high.
What SWD said about two ears makes sense, and if I’m sitting in the sweet spot listening to my home system, two tower speakers (a center channel too but only for the blu ray player) a properly mastered record or cd sounds fantastic. ….
…. That said, I remember being wowed in the theater, watching Love and Mercy, because the constant Beach Boys music surrounding the theater sounded outstanding , almost taking on a life of its own.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 4, 2023 20:25:43 GMT -5
Fille.. my system runs through a Denon receiver and can be set to Dolby Atmos DTS:X. Also 7.2 channel capacity. It’s several years old, maybe 6 or more as I inherited it from an uncle we lost 4 years ago. As I mentioned earlier, I have a nice center speaker to enhance movies but no rear or side speakers so it isn’t set up for surround sound… at least yet.
If you can hear Atmos through ear buds I should be able to hear it through my main speakers then too… or no… anyone?
The AI thing I agree I have no interest in. They are already doing that with ABBA and it looks sterile indeed. More and more lately I feel like my world is becoming extinct. This reminds me of the immersive Van Gogh exhibit I saw a year or two back … though interestingly and it brings in a newer younger crowd to keep the masters alive…. I’d trade that entire hour long spectacle to just stand quietly in front of a real Van Gogh painting for five minutes. It was a cool exhibit and a lot of pluses were there, but in an odd way looking back it’s like we are dumbing ourselves down to a point where technology is doing what our brains were intended to do. We should be able to look at a Van Gogh painting and SEE the textures , brush strokes, colors and get a sense of mood ourselves without the videos and music pointing these things out to us.
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