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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Sept 4, 2022 15:17:27 GMT -5
This is fun .... and well done too ! ... >>
~SWD
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 4, 2022 15:33:10 GMT -5
This is fun .... and well done too ! ... >> ~SWD When I saw that last week I wondered if it could end up being censored. A lot of social issues that cannot any longer be avoided. But, I don’t think it denigrates the song in any way. If anything it should raise awareness and open the conversation.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Sept 4, 2022 15:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by rjm on Sept 4, 2022 19:13:11 GMT -5
It was lame.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 4, 2022 22:11:39 GMT -5
agree. And a little tasteless since… well… “And Los Angeles with all their homeless camps, The tents and drugs are everywhere.” Dennis Wilson and Brian Wilson were both homeless at times with drug problems, I assume this artist is including them in their scrutiny. “I'd dig a Florida place with no mask on my face” and I’m sure lung cancer ridden immune compromised Carl, if he was still alive, would agree, right? RIGHT?
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Post by rjm on Sept 4, 2022 23:07:51 GMT -5
agree. And a little tasteless since… well… “And Los Angeles with all their homeless camps, The tents and drugs are everywhere.” Dennis Wilson and Brian Wilson were both homeless at times with drug problems, I assume this artist is including them in their scrutiny. “I'd dig a Florida place with no mask on my face” and I’m sure lung cancer ridden immune compromised Carl, if he was still alive, would agree, right? RIGHT? Also, it came from the Babylon Bee, which is the right wing/MAGA version of the Onion. Which is an insult to the Onion, because the Onion is actually funny.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 5, 2022 2:31:23 GMT -5
Anyone who mocks homeless people should be deeply ashamed. Likewise anyone who conflates the wearing of masks with a communist plot.
It left a sour taste in my mouth hearing the Beach Boy's music connected with such idiocy.
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Post by John Manning on Sept 5, 2022 3:48:42 GMT -5
A shame – Brian Wilson himself always associated The Beach Boys’ music with love and mercy.
Still, I guess we have to accept that we’re all entitled to our individual senses of humour.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 5, 2022 5:46:06 GMT -5
Anyone who mocks homeless people should be deeply ashamed. Likewise anyone who conflates the wearing of masks with a communist plot. It left a sour taste in my mouth hearing the Beach Boy's music connected with such idiocy. Not sure that it is mocking of homeless or calling out those in power who are doing zero about this while living in ivory tower gated-community settings, where they don’t have to cast their eyes upon their constituents who are charged with their care, while enjoying $25k freezers for their $5 a pint gelato. The way it impressed me is that their (the government) doing zero, about the plight of those whom they are responsible for and abdicating that responsibility. It is more a “rules for thee, and not for me” type of elitism. These are the same clowns who sent troopers to arrest surfers during the pandemic. Hardly a super spreader event. Surfing in the ocean? If it takes off it - it will (and it should) to shame those elected officials who are not pro-actively setting up policies to remedy this. It also calls out those who are supposed to enforce laws that make the streets unsafe, in the icon of beauty in this country and allowing crime to run rampant without holding those responsible. If you have taken a recent ride through the street LA or Hollywood, or followed the crime rates, and seen block-long 10 foot high accordion elevator-style grates, in front ot the stores and businesses, you would know exactly what this parody addresses. And in the shadow of the tower at Hollywood and Vine homeless wrapped in blankets. Or, the massive exodus, fleeing the Golden State, by the tens of thousands to a safer state in which to live. It is music activism. Music is a most-powerful vehicle. The 60s and 70s anti-war music drove policy changes. It does make it sound soap box-y but I think they are trying to save their beloved Golden State - it is the primal scream of desperation.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 5, 2022 6:21:28 GMT -5
I thought is was humorous, not to the level of The Marx Brothers, but it's just a bit of a laugh. I'm glad I don't have to live there though, although, my neck of the woods is starting to show some of those similar signs.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 5, 2022 7:10:44 GMT -5
Anyone who mocks homeless people should be deeply ashamed. Likewise anyone who conflates the wearing of masks with a communist plot. It left a sour taste in my mouth hearing the Beach Boy's music connected with such idiocy. Not sure that it is mocking of homeless or calling out those in power who are doing zero about this while living in ivory tower gated-community settings, where they don’t have to cast their eyes upon their constituents who are charged with their care, while enjoying $25k freezers for their $5 a pint gelato. The way it impressed me is that their (the government) doing zero, about the plight of those whom they are responsible for and abdicating that responsibility. It is more a “rules for thee, and not for me” type of elitism. These are the same clowns who sent troopers to arrest surfers during the pandemic. Hardly a super spreader event. Surfing in the ocean? If it takes off it - it will (and it should) to shame those elected officials who are not pro-actively setting up policies to remedy this. It also calls out those who are supposed to enforce laws that make the streets unsafe, in the icon of beauty in this country and allowing crime to run rampant without holding those responsible. If you have taken a recent ride through the street LA or Hollywood, or followed the crime rates, and seen block-long 10 foot high accordion elevator-style grates, in front ot the stores and businesses, you would know exactly what this parody addresses. And in the shadow of the tower at Hollywood and Vine homeless wrapped in blankets. Or, the massive exodus, fleeing the Golden State, by the tens of thousands to a safer state in which to live. It is music activism. Music is a most-powerful vehicle. The 60s and 70s anti-war music drove policy changes. It does make it sound soap box-y but I think they are trying to save their beloved Golden State - it is the primal scream of desperation. If they are indeed criticising the economic forces that usually dictate levels of homelessness, that wasn't especially clear. However, it may well be the satire is lost on me as I am not a US citizen. Satire can be (and often is) ambiguous. To me though, it sounded like they were punching downwards, rather than upwards. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Sept 5, 2022 7:20:11 GMT -5
It was a very well done parody I don't think pointing out that homelessness is an issue and that homelessness makes an area less pleasant equates to mocking homeless people. There are tents everywhere in California and it's absolutely bloody horrible, and it isn't disrespecting homeless people to make this observation. It's just reality. It looks horrible, and what it represents is horrible. Anyone, if they were being honest with themselves, would be unhappy if a bunch of homeless tents suddenly appeared on the street on which they live. I know I would. At the same time, I nearly always give money to any homeless person who I pass on the street when I'm out and about, because I feel sorry for homeless people. There is no contradiction there. As for masks, I don't live in the US, but if I did and I had a choice between living in a State with mask mandates and living in a State without mask mandates, I know which one I'd rather be living in.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 5, 2022 7:54:17 GMT -5
Not sure that it is mocking of homeless or calling out those in power who are doing zero about this while living in ivory tower gated-community settings, where they don’t have to cast their eyes upon their constituents who are charged with their care, while enjoying $25k freezers for their $5 a pint gelato. The way it impressed me is that their (the government) doing zero, about the plight of those whom they are responsible for and abdicating that responsibility. It is more a “rules for thee, and not for me” type of elitism. These are the same clowns who sent troopers to arrest surfers during the pandemic. Hardly a super spreader event. Surfing in the ocean? If it takes off it - it will (and it should) to shame those elected officials who are not pro-actively setting up policies to remedy this. It also calls out those who are supposed to enforce laws that make the streets unsafe, in the icon of beauty in this country and allowing crime to run rampant without holding those responsible. If you have taken a recent ride through the street LA or Hollywood, or followed the crime rates, and seen block-long 10 foot high accordion elevator-style grates, in front ot the stores and businesses, you would know exactly what this parody addresses. And in the shadow of the tower at Hollywood and Vine homeless wrapped in blankets. Or, the massive exodus, fleeing the Golden State, by the tens of thousands to a safer state in which to live. It is music activism. Music is a most-powerful vehicle. The 60s and 70s anti-war music drove policy changes. It does make it sound soap box-y but I think they are trying to save their beloved Golden State - it is the primal scream of desperation. If they are indeed criticising the economic forces that usually dictate levels of homelessness, that wasn't especially clear. However, it may well be the satire is lost on me as I am not a US citizen. Satire can be (and often is) ambiguous. To me though, it sounded like they were punching downwards, rather than upwards. I'd be happy to be proved wrong. At the risk of causing a furor, it is the current state of affairs. It is now the Myth of the Golden State that it is what it was. It is not just economic forces, it is the deliberate, calculated and concerted effort to destabilize the country. The criminal law is not enforced, but they will write parking tickets ad infinitum for income generation, for regulatory, non-violent offenses and businesses are fleeing the state in droves. It is an outrage, particularly with homeless veterans for the homelessness issue to be unresolved. There is an unwillingness to resolve it. I saw it, myself. Recently.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 5, 2022 7:56:50 GMT -5
I thought is was humorous, not to the level of The Marx Brothers, but it's just a bit of a laugh. I'm glad I don't have to live there though, although, my neck of the woods is starting to show some of those similar signs. It is an over due wake up call. Very strategic using the anthem we love. It is designed to raise awareness and get attention to the problem. When it becomes uncomfortable for the powers-that-be, Youtube will ban it.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 5, 2022 8:29:55 GMT -5
It was a very well done parody I don't think pointing out that homelessness is an issue and that homelessness makes an area less pleasant equates to mocking homeless people. There are tents everywhere in California and it's absolutely bloody horrible, and it isn't disrespecting homeless people to make this observation. It's just reality. It looks horrible, and what it represents is horrible. Anyone, if they were being honest with themselves, would be unhappy if a bunch of homeless tents suddenly appeared on the street on which they live. I know I would. At the same time, I nearly always give money to any homeless person who I pass on the street when I'm out and about, because I feel sorry for homeless people. There is no contradiction there. As for masks, I don't live in the US, but if I did and I had a choice between living in a State with mask mandates and living in a State without mask mandates, I know which one I'd rather be living in. It's good that you can be honest about how you feel, but it's simply not true that everyone feels the same as you. This is going to sound like the worse sort of virtue signalling, but I find the sight of human suffering really upsetting. I do not feel distaste at the sight of homelessness, I feel angry and powerless. Do I give them all my money though, or volunteer my time helping? I'm sorry to say I don't, and I can't offer a good excuse why, other than I'm wrapped up in my own problems. So my main emotion when viewing the homeless is guilt. As for the mask thing, I'm happy to do anything which protects the health of others, as long as it isn't overly detrimental to myself. Thankfully I'm reasonably healthy and would hopefully survive Covid. Others may not be as fortunate. Anyone who thinks it impedes on their civil liberties displays a level of entitlement and selfishness I simply don't understand. The right for me to swing my arm ends before it hits anyone's face. Apologies if I have in any way misquoted or misrepresented what you were saying, and I'm always happy with civil discussions.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 5, 2022 8:35:02 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are the living embodiment of civilised discussion and could never cause a furor.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 5, 2022 9:17:06 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are the living embodiment of civilised discussion and could never cause a furor. The esteemed and very credible Mr. Desper opened the discussion and, frankly, it was a relief to see it addressed. You know there is always a risk of a furor. If I did not see it, myself, I might not have believed it. But, we can’t be afraid of the discussion. We will no longer be a free society if that happens. 😎
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Sept 5, 2022 9:26:32 GMT -5
COMMENT:
How About LOCKDOWNS? No surfing for you !!
~SWD
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 5, 2022 9:52:48 GMT -5
Inside, inside USA - Priceless
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Sept 6, 2022 3:48:12 GMT -5
It was a very well done parody I don't think pointing out that homelessness is an issue and that homelessness makes an area less pleasant equates to mocking homeless people. There are tents everywhere in California and it's absolutely bloody horrible, and it isn't disrespecting homeless people to make this observation. It's just reality. It looks horrible, and what it represents is horrible. Anyone, if they were being honest with themselves, would be unhappy if a bunch of homeless tents suddenly appeared on the street on which they live. I know I would. At the same time, I nearly always give money to any homeless person who I pass on the street when I'm out and about, because I feel sorry for homeless people. There is no contradiction there. As for masks, I don't live in the US, but if I did and I had a choice between living in a State with mask mandates and living in a State without mask mandates, I know which one I'd rather be living in. It's good that you can be honest about how you feel, but it's simply not true that everyone feels the same as you. This is going to sound like the worse sort of virtue signalling, but I find the sight of human suffering really upsetting. I do not feel distaste at the sight of homelessness, I feel angry and powerless. Do I give them all my money though, or volunteer my time helping? I'm sorry to say I don't, and I can't offer a good excuse why, other than I'm wrapped up in my own problems. So my main emotion when viewing the homeless is guilt. As for the mask thing, I'm happy to do anything which protects the health of others, as long as it isn't overly detrimental to myself. Thankfully I'm reasonably healthy and would hopefully survive Covid. Others may not be as fortunate. Anyone who thinks it impedes on their civil liberties displays a level of entitlement and selfishness I simply don't understand. The right for me to swing my arm ends before it hits anyone's face. Apologies if I have in any way misquoted or misrepresented what you were saying, and I'm always happy with civil discussions. You have indeed rather misrepresented what I was saying re homelessness, but I don't mind And, as someone who is broadly libertarian, I couldn't agree with you less re Covid. There is nothing remotely selfish about supporting individual freedoms, quite the opposite. It's long been revealed that much of what we were told about Covid was, at best, hyperbolic fearmongering. The wearing of masks was - as Pennsylvania governor and mask enthusiast Tom Wolf admitted when he thought the cameras were turned off - nothing but "an act of political theatre". Look at idiots like AOC putting her mask on for the cameras and then immediately taking it off again afterwards, despite being sat in a crowd at the time. And many experts now say that the death rate would have been largely the same without any lockdowns whatsoever. Never mind the economy, the damage Covid lockdowns have caused to children - both mentally and in terms of education - is absolutely unforgivable (and that's before taking into account the enormous rise in child abuse directly caused by lockdowns). None of the alleged benefits of lockdown are enough to compensate for what has been done to children. We're all going to be paying for the whole sorry mess for a very, very long time indeed. But anyway, I come to this forum to discuss the Beach Boys, not politics, so I don't really want to get into a discussion about it all. I do enough of that on social media. Cheers
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Post by ironhorseapples on Sept 6, 2022 6:49:11 GMT -5
I agree TomTom. We'll lay off the politics. I will say I agree with you wholeheartedly about the effect of the lockdown on children's mental health, having experienced it first hand in my family.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 6, 2022 8:33:54 GMT -5
I agree TomTom. We'll lay off the politics. I will say I agree with you wholeheartedly about the effect of the lockdown on children's mental health, having experienced it first hand in my family. And that is why there needs to be a discussion, maybe in the politics section, because writing, art, music and theater are always a mirror of the times, as is parody. It is where we get Don’t Go Near the Water or Summer in Paradise. Or, Student Demonstration Time. It points out the absurdity of what is going on. Even the SUSA that Mr. Desper linked. What would we do without Orwell’s 1984? It opens the door for those who are affected but maybe too shy to open the door. The artist and musicians are the courageous, bold ones who hold up the mirror to the issue, that we are all thinking about. It is like that kid in class who raises their hand and asks that question that we all wondered about but were afraid to ask. Lockdowns - in that big surfing county were ordered by a person with a doctorate, and called themselves a “doctor” - but not in medicine, but in social work. Yes, you read that right. The politics section is a good place, for a good discussion on how music and current events and policies intersect.
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Post by Emdeeh on Sept 6, 2022 10:11:57 GMT -5
Perhaps this thread would be better served by being moved to the Politics section of this board. It's only partly on topic, by virtue of being a parody.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 6, 2022 11:39:58 GMT -5
Perhaps this thread would be better served by being moved to the Politics section of this board. It's only partly on topic, by virtue of being a parody. Agreed, MDH, you read my mind. For those who want to talk politics, this is the place for it.
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Post by E on Sept 6, 2022 13:56:00 GMT -5
Thank fuck (and Mikie)
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