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Post by boogieboarder on May 19, 2022 15:28:47 GMT -5
The Caribou sessions that were reportedly lost in a fire have always been a source of mystery to me.
Wikipedia says ”While at Caribou, Wilson co-wrote and recorded numerous songs with poet Stephen Kalinich, including "Child of Winter (Christmas Song)", "California Feelin'", "You're Riding High on the Music", "Lucy Jones", and "Grateful Are We for Little Children".[24][25] "You're Riding High on the Music" was never recorded.[26] "Lucy Jones", as described by Kalinich, "was just a funky song, and Brian and I were having fun."[26] "Grateful Are We for Little Children" later became Wilson's "Saturday Morning in the City".[24]
Other tracks recorded at these sessions were "River Song",[20] "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land", "Don't Let Me Go", "Barnyard Blues", early versions of "It's OK" and "Good Timin'", an alternate version of "Ding Dang", and renditions of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "Honeycomb".[21][27] "Don't Let Me Go" is a song composed by Carl with lyrics by Love, while "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land" is a song written by Love that he described as an "ethnic" thing that sounded similar to "The Trader" from Holland.[28][nb 2] "Honeycomb" featured Brian's wife Marilyn on lead vocal.[24]
In November, Mike Love told Melody Maker that the band had completed "about 40 tracks" and that their next album would be completed by January 1975. Love reported, "Brian is very involved with the LP. ... The album's a combination between Sunflower and Holland. It's got some of the feel that Holland had, but also sounds a bit like Sunflower in certain respects."[28] The material was written by himself ("about ten" of the songs), Brian (five), Carl and Dennis ("about five" each), and Jardine ("a couple").[28] The group completed a few tracks from these sessions, including "Child of Winter", but ultimately abandoned most of them.[20][21] Released as a single at the end of December 1974, "Child of Winter" was their first record that displayed the credit "Produced by Brian Wilson" since 1966.[25]
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Post by AGD on May 19, 2022 16:21:55 GMT -5
The Caribou sessions that were reportedly lost in a fire have always been a source of mystery to me.Wikipedia says ”While at Caribou, Wilson co-wrote and recorded numerous songs with poet Stephen Kalinich, including "Child of Winter (Christmas Song)", "California Feelin'", "You're Riding High on the Music", "Lucy Jones", and "Grateful Are We for Little Children".[24][25] "You're Riding High on the Music" was never recorded.[26] "Lucy Jones", as described by Kalinich, "was just a funky song, and Brian and I were having fun."[26] "Grateful Are We for Little Children" later became Wilson's "Saturday Morning in the City".[24] Other tracks recorded at these sessions were "River Song",[20] "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land", "Don't Let Me Go", "Barnyard Blues", early versions of "It's OK" and "Good Timin'", an alternate version of "Ding Dang", and renditions of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "Honeycomb".[21][27] "Don't Let Me Go" is a song composed by Carl with lyrics by Love, while "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land" is a song written by Love that he described as an "ethnic" thing that sounded similar to "The Trader" from Holland.[28][nb 2] "Honeycomb" featured Brian's wife Marilyn on lead vocal.[24] In November, Mike Love told Melody Maker that the band had completed "about 40 tracks" and that their next album would be completed by January 1975. Love reported, "Brian is very involved with the LP. ... The album's a combination between Sunflower and Holland. It's got some of the feel that Holland had, but also sounds a bit like Sunflower in certain respects."[28] The material was written by himself ("about ten" of the songs), Brian (five), Carl and Dennis ("about five" each), and Jardine ("a couple").[28] The group completed a few tracks from these sessions, including "Child of Winter", but ultimately abandoned most of them.[20][21] Released as a single at the end of December 1974, "Child of Winter" was their first record that displayed the credit "Produced by Brian Wilson" since 1966.[25] It was (much) later revealed that the fire was confined to the control room and few, if any, tapes were lost. The known Caribou sessions were: Late October: Battle Hymn Of The Republic November 4: Good Timin'/Brian's Tune (= 'dirty' version of Ding Dang) November 5: Battle Hymn Of The Republic/Child Of Winter The Wikipedia article for the sessions as detailed above is more than a little inaccurate and misleading: for example, the track for "Honeycomb" was recorded late October in LA at Brother (as was the basic track for "It's OK": Roy Wood remembers getting a call from Brian at the end of Wizzard's only US tour, and the band weren't in Colorado: Wikipedia cites 10452 as a source despite it being clearly stated the track was recorded at Brother, as was "Lucy Jones" on November 12th) and Marilyn's vocal was allegedly added in 1976. Equally, if you check the "Bedroom tapes" article similarly cited, the only track expressly stated as being cut at Caribou was "Good Timin'". I'll ask Stevie if he went to Caribou with the band. |
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Post by AGD on May 19, 2022 17:50:19 GMT -5
For those anticipating live material, the following shows were recorded for the In Concert album:
1972
November
19 - Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ [2 shows] 23 - Carnegie Hall, New York NY [2 shows] 1973 April 20 - Hollywood Palladium, Hollywood CA
August
12 - University of Cincinnati OH
14 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
15 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
16 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
18 - The Mosque, Richmond VA
19 - Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
20 - Schaeffer Center, Foxboro MA
24 - Dillon Stadium, Hartford CT ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
25 - Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City NJ
30 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia MD
31 - Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh PA
September 1 - Century Theater, Buffalo NY
2 - Massey Hall, Toronto ONT, Canada [2 shows]
3 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
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Post by AGD on May 19, 2022 18:01:26 GMT -5
Just heard back from Stevie Kalinich - he didn't go to Caribou with Brian.
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Post by John Manning on May 20, 2022 0:57:55 GMT -5
For those anticipating live material, the following shows were recorded for the In Concert album:
1972
November
19 - Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ [2 shows] 23 - Carnegie Hall, New York NY [2 shows] 1973 April 20 - Hollywood Palladium, Hollywood CA
August
12 - University of Cincinnati OH
14 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
15 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
16 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
18 - The Mosque, Richmond VA
19 - Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
20 - Schaeffer Center, Foxboro MA
24 - Dillon Stadium, Hartford CT ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
25 - Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City NJ
30 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia MD
31 - Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh PA
September 1 - Century Theater, Buffalo NY
2 - Massey Hall, Toronto ONT, Canada [2 shows]
3 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
Happy to buy a boxed set featuring - nay containing the entirety of – all these. |
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Post by John Manning on May 20, 2022 1:03:05 GMT -5
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Post by smash em now on May 20, 2022 12:03:55 GMT -5
For those anticipating live material, the following shows were recorded for the In Concert album:
1972
November
19 - Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ [2 shows] 23 - Carnegie Hall, New York NY [2 shows] 1973 April 20 - Hollywood Palladium, Hollywood CA
August
12 - University of Cincinnati OH
14 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
15 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
16 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
18 - The Mosque, Richmond VA
19 - Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
20 - Schaeffer Center, Foxboro MA
24 - Dillon Stadium, Hartford CT ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
25 - Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City NJ
30 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia MD
31 - Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh PA
September 1 - Century Theater, Buffalo NY
2 - Massey Hall, Toronto ONT, Canada [2 shows]
3 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
That would be Schaefer Stadium, not Schaeffer Center. |
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Post by filledeplage on May 20, 2022 12:21:34 GMT -5
For those anticipating live material, the following shows were recorded for the In Concert album:
1972
November
19 - Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ [2 shows] 23 - Carnegie Hall, New York NY [2 shows] 1973 April 20 - Hollywood Palladium, Hollywood CA
August
12 - University of Cincinnati OH
14 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
15 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
16 - Auditorium Theater, Chicago IL
18 - The Mosque, Richmond VA
19 - Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
20 - Schaeffer Center, Foxboro MA
24 - Dillon Stadium, Hartford CT ("River Song" & "Jumpin' Jack Flash" performed)
25 - Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City NJ
30 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia MD
31 - Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh PA
September 1 - Century Theater, Buffalo NY
2 - Massey Hall, Toronto ONT, Canada [2 shows]
3 - Pine Knob, Clarkston MI
That would be Schaefer Stadium, not Schaeffer Center. That place had a ton of name changes. Sullivan stadium (interesting history) Foxboro stadium, and I wanna hear the track from that show. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 20, 2022 12:36:35 GMT -5
The Caribou sessions that were reportedly lost in a fire have always been a source of mystery to me. Wikipedia says ”While at Caribou, Wilson co-wrote and recorded numerous songs with poet Stephen Kalinich, including "Child of Winter (Christmas Song)", "California Feelin'", "You're Riding High on the Music", "Lucy Jones", and "Grateful Are We for Little Children".[24][25] "You're Riding High on the Music" was never recorded.[26] "Lucy Jones", as described by Kalinich, "was just a funky song, and Brian and I were having fun."[26] "Grateful Are We for Little Children" later became Wilson's "Saturday Morning in the City".[24] Other tracks recorded at these sessions were "River Song",[20] "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land", "Don't Let Me Go", "Barnyard Blues", early versions of "It's OK" and "Good Timin'", an alternate version of "Ding Dang", and renditions of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "Honeycomb".[21][27] "Don't Let Me Go" is a song composed by Carl with lyrics by Love, while "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land" is a song written by Love that he described as an "ethnic" thing that sounded similar to "The Trader" from Holland.[28][nb 2] "Honeycomb" featured Brian's wife Marilyn on lead vocal.[24] In November, Mike Love told Melody Maker that the band had completed "about 40 tracks" and that their next album would be completed by January 1975. Love reported, "Brian is very involved with the LP. ... The album's a combination between Sunflower and Holland. It's got some of the feel that Holland had, but also sounds a bit like Sunflower in certain respects."[28] The material was written by himself ("about ten" of the songs), Brian (five), Carl and Dennis ("about five" each), and Jardine ("a couple").[28] The group completed a few tracks from these sessions, including "Child of Winter", but ultimately abandoned most of them.[20][21] Released as a single at the end of December 1974, "Child of Winter" was their first record that displayed the credit "Produced by Brian Wilson" since 1966.[25] To clarify, almost none of these were recorded at Caribou, and many weren't recorded at all. What was recorded there: Good Timin', Rollin' Up to Heaven, Battle Hymn of the Republic, and a backing track for an unknown original. |
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Post by monolithic on May 20, 2022 15:38:39 GMT -5
I think either Mark Linett or Alan Boyd mentioned in a previous Q&A that they could find no tapes for the likes of Our Life, Our Love, Our Land and some of the other songs from that era in the archive.
Hopefully that doesn't mean that great swathes of recordings have disappeared over the years.
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Post by jiggy22 on May 20, 2022 18:22:21 GMT -5
. You're Riding High on the Music was never recorded by the Beach Boys. He told me that he and Brian originally wanted John Kay of Steppenwolf to sing on it. Known lyrics are "You’re ridin’ high on the music/High and you feel like you wanna fly/And the music clicks you ‘round and ‘round/You can’t keep your feet on the ground/You can’t tell your ma, you can’t tell your pa/So talk to your girl tonight"
. Lucy Jones was a recording Brian did for Stephen, completely unrelated to the Beach Boys. Brian wanted to make a rock and roll album for Kalinich, but this never materialized any further than Lucy Jones. So yeah, this was never considered for a release on a Beach Boys album.
. Grateful are We for Little Children was written by Brian and Stephen in the late '60s. A part of the melody for the song was later re-used for Saturday Morning in the City, but aside from that, the two are vastly different songs. This was never recorded either.
. Our Life, Our Love, Our Land, Don't Let Me Go and Just an Imitation were written but were never recorded.
. The version of Ding Dang released on Love You was recorded in June 1974. There is no alternate version, unless you count the version Brian cut in 1975 for California Music. Brian later decided to revamp it as Rollin' Up to Heaven, then again as Clangin' (which is slightly different, as it uses the Shortenin' Bread/Pied Piper riff instead), before returning back to the original recording for Love You. Apparently, Brian originally wanted Annette Funicello to sing lead on Ding Dang.
. Of the songs recorded around this time, Mark and Alan have California Feelin', Child of Winter, Good Timin', Battle Hymn, Rollin' Up to Heaven, Barnyard Blues, and the backing track for Honeycomb (Marilyn's lead is missing). There may be another unidentified backing track at the end of the reel for Battle Hymn. The tapes for It's OK and River Song have long been missing, but they still have the masters for the final/alternate mixes.
. Mike saying that they had "about 40 tracks" is a bit of an exaggeration. He makes it sound like they recorded 40 new songs exclusively for the new album, but in actuality, he was absolutely also including unreleased songs they had as well, like Sherry She Needs Me and the multitude of Sunflower outtakes.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 20, 2022 19:35:15 GMT -5
. You're Riding High on the Music was never recorded by the Beach Boys. He told me that he and Brian originally wanted John Kay of Steppenwolf to sing on it. Known lyrics are "You’re ridin’ high on the music/High and you feel like you wanna fly/And the music clicks you ‘round and ‘round/You can’t keep your feet on the ground/You can’t tell your ma, you can’t tell your pa/So talk to your girl tonight" . Lucy Jones was a recording Brian did for Stephen, completely unrelated to the Beach Boys. Brian wanted to make a rock and roll album for Kalinich, but this never materialized any further than Lucy Jones. So yeah, this was never considered for a release on a Beach Boys album. . Grateful are We for Little Children was written by Brian and Stephen in the late '60s. A part of the melody for the song was later re-used for Saturday Morning in the City, but aside from that, the two are vastly different songs. This was never recorded either. . Our Life, Our Love, Our Land, Don't Let Me Go and Just an Imitation were written but were never recorded. . The version of Ding Dang released on Love You was recorded in June 1974. There is no alternate version, unless you count the version Brian cut in 1975 for California Music. Brian later decided to revamp it as Rollin' Up to Heaven, then again as Clangin' (which is slightly different, as it uses the Shortenin' Bread/Pied Piper riff instead), before returning back to the original recording for Love You. Apparently, Brian originally wanted Annette Funicello to sing lead on Ding Dang. . Of the songs recorded around this time, Mark and Alan have California Feelin', Child of Winter, Good Timin', Battle Hymn, Rollin' Up to Heaven, Barnyard Blues, and the backing track for Honeycomb (Marilyn's lead is missing). There may be another unidentified backing track at the end of the reel for Battle Hymn. The tapes for It's OK and River Song have long been missing, but they still have the masters for the final/alternate mixes. . Mike saying that they had "about 40 tracks" is a bit of an exaggeration. He makes it sound like they recorded 40 new songs exclusively for the new album, but in actuality, he was absolutely also including unreleased songs they had as well, like Sherry She Needs Me and the multitude of Sunflower outtakes. On top of this, iirc The Beach boys didn’t record *anything* in 1973 that wasn’t for the InConcert album. There are some sessions on bellagio listed as March 1973, but as brother studio was still an adult theater at that time it’s more likely these are from 74. It’s clear that their main project for that year was the “In Concert” album, and nothing else |
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Post by Mikie on May 20, 2022 19:58:43 GMT -5
I have "Brian's Jam" , "Dr. Tom" (Al) a cover of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"/"Gimme Some Lovin", "Canyon Summer" (Al), and "Pattycake" as written/recorded in '73.
"Pattycake" was written about a gorilla or whatever it was after a visit to the NYC Zoo with Diane shortly after Murry died in June, '73. Supposedly a Brian vocal exists.
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Post by jay on May 20, 2022 20:20:38 GMT -5
Didn't Brian or the group record Come To The Sunshine around this time?
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 20, 2022 20:30:45 GMT -5
I have "Brian's Jam" , "Dr. Tom" (Al) a cover of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"/"Gimme Some Lovin", "Canyon Summer" (Al), and "Pattycake" as written/recorded in '73. "Pattycake" was written about a gorilla or whatever it was after a visit to the NYC Zoo with Diane shortly after Murry died in June, '73. Supposedly a Brian vocal exists. Brian's Jam was done in 1974, and Dr. Tom was likely done then too. The "lovin" medley was done in 1972, Canyon Summer was never recorded, and Pattycake is not the name of any song that Brian ever wrote. That whole thing is a myth, based on David Leaf severely misinterpreting an interview Brian did that year. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 20, 2022 20:31:36 GMT -5
Didn't Brian or the group record Come To The Sunshine around this time? No, this was in late 1975, in consideration for 15 Big Ones. |
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Post by jay on May 20, 2022 20:40:25 GMT -5
No, this was in late 1975, in consideration for 15 Big Ones. Interesting. I can't remember where but I thought I read it was thought to have been a Caribou session. Any idea if it still exists, and how complete of a recording it is? |
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Post by jiggy22 on May 20, 2022 21:31:40 GMT -5
The only recordings we know for certain were done in 1973 were three demos Brian cut in November for an outside artist. Oh, and his vocal for "Don't You Just Know It" if you wanna count that. The BB's backing vocals for "Wishing You Were Here" were done in November too.
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Post by jiggy22 on May 20, 2022 21:34:59 GMT -5
Interesting. I can't remember where but I thought I read it was thought to have been a Caribou session. Any idea if it still exists, and how complete of a recording it is? It does not exist anymore. Brian apparently wanted to include it on 15 Big Ones, but had lost the tapes by then, so it's pretty much been gone for almost fifty years now. While we're on the topic of 15BO, it's worth mentioning that "Workin' in a Coal Mine," "Secret Love" and "Gold Rush" were never recorded either. They were all just titles mentioned that the group wanted to record, but never did. On the other hand, Mike's "Lisa" and a cover of "Let's Dance" were recorded, but only as unfinished backing tracks. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 20, 2022 21:38:09 GMT -5
Interesting. I can't remember where but I thought I read it was thought to have been a Caribou session. Any idea if it still exists, and how complete of a recording it is?
This is the source for a potential Beach Boys recording of Come to the Sunshine - literally nothing here suggests it was recorded a year prior at Caribou. |
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Post by craigslowinski on May 21, 2022 8:32:35 GMT -5
The 33 year old millionaire songwriter also said he intends to include Van Dyke Parks’ “Come To The Sunshine” in the roster of cuts. “Yes, that’s true,” he said. “We’re trying to get the tapes right now.” (Parks told Crawdaddy that he and Brian were having difficulty obtaining from an undisclosed source a completed version of what he described as “a 24 track tape of the song.”)
This is the source for a potential Beach Boys recording of Come to the Sunshine - literally nothing here suggests it was recorded a year prior at Caribou. In fact, it was recorded at the Sound Factory in mid-October 1975, according to Brad Elliott's book. The point in mentioning that it was a 24-track recording would have been because many studios were still running 16-track at the time, with 24-track just starting to become the standard. The Caribou sessions a year prior were apparently 16-track. |
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Post by AGD on May 21, 2022 8:55:04 GMT -5
It does not exist anymore. Brian apparently wanted to include it on 15 Big Ones, but had lost the tapes by then, so it's pretty much been gone for almost fifty years now. While we're on the topic of 15BO, it's worth mentioning that "Workin' in a Coal Mine," "Secret Love" and "Gold Rush" were never recorded either. They were all just titles mentioned that the group wanted to record, but never did. On the other hand, Mike's "Lisa" and a cover of "Let's Dance" were recorded, but only as unfinished backing tracks. According to a Billboard 15BO supplement, "Working In A Coal Mine" was pulled from the album at the last moment. |
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Post by ian on May 21, 2022 10:26:55 GMT -5
There is of course a “dirty” version of Ding Dang that is available on boots-was that recorded at the same time as the Love You version?
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 21, 2022 11:06:01 GMT -5
There is of course a “dirty” version of Ding Dang that is available on boots-was that recorded at the same time as the Love You version? This is what they were calling "Rollin Up to Heaven", recorded at the Caribou sessions, months after the Love You version. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 21, 2022 11:27:21 GMT -5
It does not exist anymore. Brian apparently wanted to include it on 15 Big Ones, but had lost the tapes by then, so it's pretty much been gone for almost fifty years now. While we're on the topic of 15BO, it's worth mentioning that "Workin' in a Coal Mine," "Secret Love" and "Gold Rush" were never recorded either. They were all just titles mentioned that the group wanted to record, but never did. On the other hand, Mike's "Lisa" and a cover of "Let's Dance" were recorded, but only as unfinished backing tracks. According to a Billboard 15BO supplement, "Working In A Coal Mine" was pulled from the album at the last moment. Interesting, is it possible they could have confused "Working In A Coal Mine" with “Michael Row the Boat Ashore”? “Michael” was actually on “15 Big Ones” at one point, pulled at the last minute and replaced with “Talk To Me.” On top of this, if “Coal Mine” actually was recorded, and was truly only pulled at the last minute from the album, and we’re presuming that no tape of it went missing, why did they never try to place it on one of their next albums as they did with several other “15 Big Ones” leftovers, including “Michael?” |
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