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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 24, 2021 16:55:22 GMT -5
Either way it seems more thoughtful than a 20 minute (+ or-) drive/ride knock off.
But, maybe it was, maybe just inspired formula f***ing lyrics by a formula f***ing track. He already had the hook too I suppose.
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Post by AGD on Apr 25, 2021 0:32:14 GMT -5
My bad... but the consistency of his recall is very impressive.
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Post by jds on Apr 25, 2021 1:24:25 GMT -5
1) the Asher lyrics would be incomplete even if they weren't terrible (they are the scratchiest of scratch lyrics, betraying the potential of the melody to a bunch of dumb 60s hipster come-ons*) and their inclusion on BWPS is nothing more than Brian/Team Brian nursing a grudge 2) they should have left "we find" off because it exists only to complete the rhyming scheme, doesn't really make sense in the phrase itself because a plural pronoun references a party already referred to, and abruptly cutting off the stanza is much cooler.
*but enough about "Got to Know the Woman" lol
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 25, 2021 7:44:38 GMT -5
Asher's placeholder lyrics not only don't include a first line for the first verse, they also rhyme "me" with "me" in the second verse -- a basic failure of craft that I'm sure embarrassed Asher himself, and wouldn't have remained had he ever finished a set of lyrics for the song. Mike's lyrics, on the other hand, are some of the best-crafted he ever did. He takes the basic premise of extra-sensory perception, but links it to *sensory* perception, grounding the listener with specific details of multiple senses in the first verse before going into the more out-there chorus -- and starting with the most concrete sense, sight, before moving into the more ethereal senses of sound and smell, bridging from the physical to the more abstract. It takes the listener on a journey, using words chosen with care, rather than just stating in flat, clunky, language "it's weird how she comes in so strong". I think Asher was the better lyricist, but in this case Mike wrote the better set of lyrics. I disagree that Asher was the better lyricist. Just going off of the lyrics that Mike wrote from 1964-1973, if Brian would have went to him in 1966, explained exactly what he was looking for, and told him to do the lyrics for PS, we would’ve gotten something of comparable quality to Asher’s lyrics. I think that Today, Wild Honey, and tracks like all I wanna do and Big Sur show that Mike can be a great lyricist. And he doesn’t just write happy songs. “ I get so jealous of the other guys, And then I'm not happy til' I make her break down and cry.” Ya, lyrics about a guy being an absolute d*ck to his partner, coming from the Fun Fun Fun Kokomo and summer in Paradise dude. Mike is Way more versatile and talented than people want to give him credit for.
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Post by WillJC on Apr 25, 2021 8:02:06 GMT -5
Mike was the perfect lyricist for Good Vibrations and those are, IMO, a perfect set of lyrics. We can't say Asher wouldn't have come up with something comparable given another try, but... he didn't.
They're at a standard I don't think Mike shot for or managed too often, but that time every single one of those words was in exactly the right place (apart from "we find"). They go beyond just accompanying the music and elevate it. I think Asher's pass sort of does the opposite.
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 28, 2021 15:32:23 GMT -5
Which tracking session does Brian demo the "vibrations a'happen" lyric (or something like that, too busy grandpa-ing to look it up)? June 16?
Thanks
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Post by Mikie on Apr 28, 2021 16:11:53 GMT -5
Take your pick, Grandpa.
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 28, 2021 16:45:24 GMT -5
Thanks SBJ.
It is not in the Asher lyrics (right?). Brian could have written those lyrics, Mike does not take credit for other people's lyrics as far as I can remember. As best I remember Brian hasn't credited them to Mike either, has he?
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