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Post by petsite on Apr 14, 2021 21:45:42 GMT -5
That here in the states we have been promised a Brian Wilson Productions CD set and never ever got one? How easy would it now be to do a digital download? I mean, its past time. I am only writing about this today because I was making a little comp to play in the car and we still don't have the original mono mixes of several of the Honeys' songs. It's gotten to the point of being past crazy. We have had the following from Japan and the EU but no where else.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 0:01:48 GMT -5
This is The Beach Boys.
Expecting things to make sense is a dead end.
Where’s that 66-69 singles box, hey capitol? It’s been 13 years, get on it
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Post by Al S on Apr 15, 2021 1:22:12 GMT -5
I wonder if The Honeys monos have been digitally archived or if the tapes got whacked in that notorious fire of some years ago.
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 4:58:17 GMT -5
This is The Beach Boys. Expecting things to make sense is a dead end. Where’s that 66-69 singles box, hey capitol? It’s been 13 years, get on it The 1962-65 box sold very poorly, even though it was a limited edition. Capitol/UMg aren't a registered charity, and just because you want something doesn't mean it must come to pass. Like the remixes of Sunflower & Surf's Up in the upcoming box set. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 7:54:27 GMT -5
This is The Beach Boys. Expecting things to make sense is a dead end. Where’s that 66-69 singles box, hey capitol? It’s been 13 years, get on it The 1962-65 box sold very poorly, even though it was a limited edition. Capitol/UMg aren't a registered charity, and just because you want something doesn't mean it must come to pass. Like the remixes of Sunflower & Surf's Up in the upcoming box set. Pretty sure that a Brian Wilson outside productions box would sell even worse than a 66-69 singles box. What’s your point. |
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 8:09:34 GMT -5
My point is, your attitude of entitlement entitles you to ab-so-lute-ly nothing. And, ah, who said anything about a Productions box ? Not me, and not the OP.
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Post by petsite on Apr 15, 2021 8:10:13 GMT -5
All of these tracks could just be put up as digital downloads with some ancillary notes, nothing major. Its all there. Will "some" mastering be needed? Yeah.
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 8:13:04 GMT -5
All of these tracks could just be put up as digital downloads with some ancillary notes, nothing major. Its all there. Will "some" mastering be needed? Yeah. Forward the idea to IAG.  |
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Post by petsite on Apr 15, 2021 8:14:56 GMT -5
I wonder if The Honeys monos have been digitally archived or if the tapes got whacked in that notorious fire of some years ago. I have mono digital versions of the following tunes:
Shoot The Curl
Pray For Surf
The One You Can't Have
From Jimmy With Tears
He's A Doll
The Love Of A Boy And Girl
That's all. I do have a mono analog tape dub of Surfin' Down The Swanee River. I wish they would just release all of this.
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 10:04:58 GMT -5
"The Love Of A Boy And Girl" has only ever appeared in mono on CD because that's all there is. I recall reading somewhere it was cut live and direct to mono. "Hide Go Seek" and "He's A Doll" seem to be in mono on the Pet Projects BW productions comp.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 10:20:58 GMT -5
My point is, your attitude of entitlement entitles you to ab-so-lute-ly nothing. And, ah, who said anything about a Productions box ? Not me, and not the OP. Clearly you didn’t read the post. That here in the states we have been promised a Brian Wilson Productions CD set and never ever got one? How easy would it now be to do a digital download? I mean, its past time. I am only writing about this today because I was making a little comp to play in the car and we still don't have the original mono mixes of several of the Honeys' songs. It's gotten to the point of being past crazy. We have had the following from Japan and the EU but no where else.
Sure, he didn’t say “box,” but box, CE, CD, Vinyl collection, Digital download, it’s still the same music. You get the point. Also, I’m not entitled to anything, because I wouldn’t even buy a 66-69 singles box. But the point still stands, we have been told about several projects that have never seen the light of day. I just think you like arguing. I could literally say anything and you have a problem with it. “I think LA is a great album, and I wish the late 70s catalog got more attention.” Now watch, you’ll turn this into some strange idea of me having some entitlement to the late 70s catalog. The OP literally said we were “promised a Brian Wilson production CD set,” when we weren’t ”promised” anything. And yet I’m the guy you have a problem with. The absolute hypocrisy |
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Post by Mikie on Apr 15, 2021 11:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by petsite on Apr 15, 2021 11:26:25 GMT -5
To be clear, there were proclamations made from those inside the camp that Brian Wilson productions collections were at least being talked about at Capitol. To be fair, I think getting all of the artist releases are part of the problem with doing this.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 15, 2021 11:36:31 GMT -5
I have to say I somewhat sympathise with rainboweyez.
I hadn't initially realised he had been banned the other week, but glad to see the ban didn't put him off coming back.
Even if some may find his messages a little brash at times, and I will readily admit I do not know the specifics of why he was banned, I also found the subsequent pile-on from several posters a little off-putting.
It is also not always fair to second guess the exact intention or attitude behind a message written online. "get on it" read as fairly light hearted to me at least. I would also suggest that "CD set" and "box [set]" amount to fairly similar things in this particular conversation.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 12:21:37 GMT -5
I have to say I somewhat sympathise with rainboweyez. I hadn't initially realised he had been banned the other week, but glad to see the ban didn't put him off coming back. Even if some may find his messages a little brash at times, and I will readily admit I do not know the specifics of why he was banned, I also found the subsequent pile-on from several posters a little off-putting. It is also not always fair to second guess the exact intention or attitude behind a message written online. "get on it" read as fairly light hearted to me at least. I would also suggest that "CD set" and "box [set]" amount to fairly similar things in this particular conversation. Thanks My comments put off the older demographic who think The Beach Boys can do know wrong. I get it, when you’re a fan of something for decades, you will do your best to defend basically everything they do, no matter how ridiculous. I completely understand the mindset, I have my own biases as well. but not for the Beach boys, I think that they were great at making amazing, emotional, absolutely moving music... and literally nothing else. From all The Beach Boys fans I’ve talked to outside of message boards, they all say that the catalog is one of the most miss-managed Legacy catalogs they’ve seen. Albums not accounted for, incomplete single boxes, confusingly named compilations, things appearing and disappearing off of streaming services, it’s a complete mess. Even The Beach Boys have acknowledged it, most recently when they just told some rich business dude to start making all the decisions, because they don’t know how. |
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 15, 2021 12:33:41 GMT -5
I have to say I somewhat sympathise with rainboweyez. I hadn't initially realised he had been banned the other week, but glad to see the ban didn't put him off coming back. Even if some may find his messages a little brash at times, and I will readily admit I do not know the specifics of why he was banned, I also found the subsequent pile-on from several posters a little off-putting. It is also not always fair to second guess the exact intention or attitude behind a message written online. "get on it" read as fairly light hearted to me at least. I would also suggest that "CD set" and "box [set]" amount to fairly similar things in this particular conversation. Thanks My comments put off the older demographic who think The Beach Boys can do know wrong. I get it, when you’re a fan of something for decades, you will do your best to defend basically everything they do, no matter how ridiculous. I completely understand the mindset, I have my own biases as well. but not for the Beach boys, I think that they were great at making amazing, emotional, absolutely moving music... and literally nothing else. From all The Beach Boys fans I’ve talked to outside of message boards, they all say that the catalog is one of the most miss-managed Legacy catalogs they’ve seen. Albums not accounted for, incomplete single boxes, confusingly named compilations, things appearing and disappearing off of streaming services, it’s a complete mess. Even The Beach Boys have acknowledged it, most recently when they just told some rich business dude to start making all the decisions, because they don’t know how. You're welcome. Haha, now, to be fair to these guys, they will criticise when they see fit, they're not gonna like that  though on the specific case of the catalog, I see nothing wrong with you expressing your exasperation. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 12:40:19 GMT -5
I will give the beach boys one thing about their catalog... at least it’s not the Beatles catalog.
Seriously, The only way to listen to Revolver in Mono is to buy the extremely expensive mono box?
But the crappy stereo is just a click away.
Apple, that’s just a giant middle finger to the fans.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 15, 2021 12:42:50 GMT -5
And of course there are different entities involved here that may or may not deserve criticism in each case.
Record labels (Capitol in this case)
The Beach Boys holding company (BRI)
Individual Beach Boys, and their respective entities
Those that manage the catalog (Alan B and Mark L, people are most defensive/sympathetic towards them perhaps)
...etc
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Post by petsite on Apr 15, 2021 12:57:17 GMT -5
OH DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ABOUT THE BEATLES CATALOG! It was sooooooooooo poorly managed until unfortunately Neil Aspinal passed. After that, we at least got the CD's that were so haphazardly remastered in 1987 redone. It was so stupid the way it was handled. But then, they went the way of "Let's make it really expensive!" hence the mono box (which I broke down an bought). They reissued the US Albums without using the US tapes (yes yes I know the sound is substandard) but that was how they were released and we already have the British mixes. Hell, they released the US RUBBER SOUL and HELP using the 1987 remixes instead of the original 1965 mixes. THAT IS JUST STUPID!
As I said, don't get me started on that.....LOL!
As far as feeling entitled, there is no real entitlement when it comes to this stuff. We get what we are given. But when the powers that be say something is coming and then repeatedly say its coming, then you do feel entitled to at least have THAT want met. I am an old fart and I remember all the WHERE THE HELL IS SMiLE!?!?! We have been promised this so many times. Again and again and again. Dom was publishing books with phrases like RELEASE IT NOW! So we at the elder end of this bus have proclaimed our entitlement (or really just a strong need) to this material. And again, not to beat a dead horse, but when something is promised, please deliver!
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 15, 2021 13:06:06 GMT -5
I don’t think I’m entitled.
I have said several times that if there are songs that the Beach boys just don’t want out there, it makes them unhappy, they would rather people not hear it, then I completely respect that.
But that’s not what’s happening from everything I understand.
It’s just that the Beach Boys themselves are idiots who can’t agree on anything, and Capitol is cheep.
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Post by petsite on Apr 15, 2021 13:15:09 GMT -5
I wonder if The Honeys monos have been digitally archived or if the tapes got whacked in that notorious fire of some years ago. I have mono digital versions of the following tunes:
Shoot The Curl
Pray For Surf
The One You Can't Have
From Jimmy With Tears
He's A Doll
The Love Of A Boy And Girl
That's all. I do have a mono analog tape dub of Surfin' Down The Swanee River. I wish they would just release all of this.
Thought I would share where I got these tracks in mono from:
Shoot The Curl
Pray For Surf
The One You Can't Have
From Jimmy With Tears - I was wrong I don't have this in mono 
He's A Doll The Love Of A Boy And Girl :format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2050786-1260942860.jpeg.jpg) mono analog tape dub of Surfin' Down The Swanee River from a new cassette (never opened from 1985 until I got it in 2014).
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Post by dauber on Apr 15, 2021 13:55:45 GMT -5
OH DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ABOUT THE BEATLES CATALOG! It was sooooooooooo poorly managed until unfortunately Neil Aspinal passed. After that, we at least got the CD's that were so haphazardly remastered in 1987 redone. It was so stupid the way it was handled. But then, they went the way of "Let's make it really expensive!" hence the mono box (which I broke down an bought). They reissued the US Albums without using the US tapes (yes yes I know the sound is substandard) but that was how they were released and we already have the British mixes. Hell, they released the US RUBBER SOUL and HELP using the 1987 remixes instead of the original 1965 mixes. THAT IS JUST STUPID!
Because of the board's strange quoting system, I have to kind of go point by point here; I'm not trying to be all "WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU JERK...." or anything....
2) For what it's worth, in 2004 and 2006 they did reissue eight of the US albums with their proper US mixes, complete with the reverb from Dexter's goons. (Unreverbed Rubber Soul, but the reverb on that album was only on a few pressings anyway.)
1) and 3) As you know, you got a helluva bang for that $300 buck. You got all the mono British albums with all of their artwork reproduced properly, including the inner sleeves and goodies; the mixes from the unreleased Yellow Submarine mono E.P. that were never before released, aaaaaaaaaaaaaand...those 1965 stereo mixes of Help! and Rubber Soul. That you can't blame Neil Aspinall on -- George Martin took it upon himself to do those new mixes in 1987 because he wasn't happy with the 1965 mixes. He was always futzing with Rubber Soul stuff on compilations, trying to center the vocals (although they weren't centered on the 1987 CD at all).
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 14:04:50 GMT -5
Thanks My comments put off the older demographic who think The Beach Boys can do know wrong. I get it, when you’re a fan of something for decades, you will do your best to defend basically everything they do, no matter how ridiculous. I completely understand the mindset, I have my own biases as well. but not for the Beach boys, I think that they were great at making amazing, emotional, absolutely moving music... and literally nothing else. From all The Beach Boys fans I’ve talked to outside of message boards, they all say that the catalog is one of the most miss-managed Legacy catalogs they’ve seen. Albums not accounted for, incomplete single boxes, confusingly named compilations, things appearing and disappearing off of streaming services, it’s a complete mess. Even The Beach Boys have acknowledged it, most recently when they just told some rich business dude to start making all the decisions, because they don’t know how. Which comment proves our young friend has utterly failed to comprehend anything whatsoever about BB fandom past and present. He really doesn't have a clue. |
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Post by AGD on Apr 15, 2021 14:07:40 GMT -5
I could literally say anything and you have a problem with it. For once, we are in complete agreement... but not the way you're thinking. |
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Post by leedempsey on Apr 15, 2021 14:22:19 GMT -5
I think the complexity of a Brian Wilson Productions compilation lies in the variety of record labels and private entities involved:
Bob & Sheri - The Surfer Moon / Humpty Dumpty - I would assume the master is owned either by Bob Norberg, Brian, or the Estate of Murry Wilson
Rachel & the Revolvers - The Revo-Lution / Number One - Dot Records (now owned by Universal Music Group)
The Honeys (except He’s a Doll / The Love of a Boy and Girl) , Sharon Marie, The Survivors, Gary Usher, Glen Campbell - Capitol (now owned by Universal Music Group)
Paul Petersen - She Rides With Me - Colpix (now owned by Warner Music Group / Rhino)
Bob and Bobby - Twelve-o-Four / Baby What You Want Me To Do - Tower (now owned by Universal Music Group)
The Honeys - He’s a Doll / The Love of a Boy and Girl - Warner Music Group / Rhino
Ron Wilson - I’ll Keep On Loving You / As Tears Go By - Columbia (now owned by Sony Music Entertainment)
The California Music/Equinox Records sessions - RCA (now owned by Sony Music Entertainment)
Plus the ownership of the masters doesn’t necessarily reside with the record companies — they may be owned by the artists’ estates or other production companies. And if you start adding in guest appearances such as The Timers, Hale & the Hushabyes, Jan Berry’s “Don’t You Just Know It” etc., it gets even more complicated. It’s all not insurmountable, but it may be more effort than a record company wants to put into it, for very little financial return.
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