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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 21:07:00 GMT -5
Was brilliant of ANTIFA members to grow huge beer guts overnight and neckbeards and racist tattoos etc etc. Good one! You are being led astray by very dangerous people. And I’m not judging you. I merely stating my opinion. You’re suddenly sensitive about opinions? That Antifa guy posing as Rudy Giuliani was the best though - he looked just like him when he told the crowd “Let’s have trial by combat” before they took to the Capitol. The only way you could tell it wasn’t really Rudy was he didn’t have that weird hair dye dripping down his face. OMG - I did feel sorry for him that day with the hair dye. Means he did not have the time to get it done correctly. Poor guy got covid right after that day of hearings. I did not see that guy you meant, though.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 21:14:39 GMT -5
Was brilliant of ANTIFA members to grow huge beer guts overnight and neckbeards and racist tattoos etc etc. Good one! You are being led astray by very dangerous people. And I’m not judging you. I merely stating my opinion. You’re suddenly sensitive about opinions? That Antifa guy posing as Rudy Giuliani was the best though - he looked just like him when he told the crowd “Let’s have trial by combat” before they took to the Capitol. The only way you could tell it wasn’t really Rudy was he didn’t have that weird hair dye dripping down his face. Funniest part (if any of this can be called funny) is how he tells them that after that day a lot of “them” will be going to jail. Everyone cheers not yet knowing that in only a number of hours many of they themselves would be in jail.
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Post by donnylang on Jan 10, 2021 21:17:24 GMT -5
The public square is a piece of land (which someone also likely owns) its not a business enterprise. It is a business enterprise disguised as the "public square." That goes back to the olden days (before I was born) when people would go to an actual town square to debate. They - Zuck and Jack made millions monetizing advertisers while being involved in the exchange of ideas until they got too rich and powerful and wanted to make it an exclusive society with a select group of ideas. They are now part of Davos. That is troubling. It seems you’re in favor of further government regulation of FB, Twitter, etc. But this argument completely falls apart with regard to the President of the United States. No one is removing his ability to communicate to anyone. Let’s not cross our wires. Right wing people are all over the place these days, with mixed messaging and confusion. I even saw that wacky blonde woman who ran for some public office describe herself as a “strict Constitutionalist” while at the same time calling for mandatory Voter IDs. These things are all true IMO: * Facebook, Twitter, etc have political agendas. * Facebook, Twitter, etc are inclined to sensor things that do not fit with their agenda. * There is no law against this censorship, in fact it comes with the free market. * Trump and others used these platforms to incite violence, and arguably commit a variety of other crimes. * It is potentially feasible that these companies were complicit in these possible crimes, and they likely have legal counsel imploring them to take drastic action to reduce the risk of potential suits from victims. No reason to be so partisan. I’m not a Biden or Trump supporter. But Trump is very very dangerous. Biden is your typical business as usual Democrat. Definition of lesser of two evils. Way lesser.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 10, 2021 21:32:08 GMT -5
What about when the folks over at the SmileySmile board would permanently ban forum members left and right. How did you feel about that? Well - I'm one of the exiles. Same issue - group think. If you don't agree with their position, you're out! Me too. But do I feel like my first amendment has been violated? Hell no
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 21:34:53 GMT -5
One other detail
almost none of the folks who attacked the Capitol were not wearing masks. This is pretty much not allowed in any indoor public or business space. I wonder if any additional charges will be brought if this turns out to be a superspreader event. I mean folks were screaming for everyone to not wear masks. How very thoughtful.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 21:40:22 GMT -5
It is a business enterprise disguised as the "public square." That goes back to the olden days (before I was born) when people would go to an actual town square to debate. They - Zuck and Jack made millions monetizing advertisers while being involved in the exchange of ideas until they got too rich and powerful and wanted to make it an exclusive society with a select group of ideas. They are now part of Davos. That is troubling. It seems you’re in favor of further government regulation of FB, Twitter, etc. But this argument completely falls apart with regard to the President of the United States. No one is removing his ability to communicate to anyone. Let’s not cross our wires. Right wing people are all over the place these days, with mixed messaging and confusion. I even saw that wacky blonde woman who ran for some public office describe herself as a “strict Constitutionalist” while at the same time calling for mandatory Voter IDs. These things are all true IMO: * Facebook, Twitter, etc have political agendas. * Facebook, Twitter, etc are inclined to sensor things that do not fit with their agenda. * There is no law against this censorship, in fact it comes with the free market. * Trump and others used these platforms to incite violence, and arguably commit a variety of other crimes. * It is potentially feasible that these companies were complicit in these possible crimes, and they likely have legal counsel imploring them to take drastic action to reduce the risk of potential suits from victims. No reason to be so partisan. I’m not a Biden or Trump supporter. But Trump is very very dangerous. Biden is your typical business as usual Democrat. Definition of lesser of two evils. Way lesser. Actually no - I'm not in favor of more regulation. I want them only to be subject to 1A standards, just like the rest of us peasants. Sometimes people think "more is better" with regulation. This is not that. The laws are already on the books. They do have an agenda. Zuck never finished college (not always a factor) but is a tech oligarch. It is almost like a bourgeoisie concept. They are drunk with power. Imagine that punk thinking they can censor "orange man bad." they are afraid of the movement - of people they called peasants - and "go back to your Olive Garden or Hilton Garden" - from another entitled punk - Anderson Cooper - a Vanderbilt. Trump's biggest problem, as I see it, and I find him an interesting study, is that he does not belong to the "political class"-he was not vetted by the locals and given the "nod" as they call it in politics. He did not "seek their approval." He bypassed all that crap. He never ran for office. There is a process that Trump broke, and gave them all the finger doing it. He broke their rules, and it reached people who felt forgotten and disrespected. Those people watched Trump get dismissed and disrespected, by the elites and it lit a fire in them. He is an outsider and they felt like outsiders in the political world. Anderson Cooper has contempt for those "peasants" who eat at McDonalds - like Trump. It makes them sick that someone has awoken a disenfranchised group considered as lower class - who vote, and who now are a movement they can't control. He gave people like Terrence Williams, who grew up in foster homes, a seat at the table. In politics - that is only for the "special" vetted people. The coastal elites really think the farmers, automakers and small business owners, are only there to serve them and are the underclass. And, they are tone deaf.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 21:46:08 GMT -5
One other detail almost none of the folks who attacked the Capitol were not wearing masks. This is pretty much not allowed in any indoor public or business space. I wonder if any additional charges will be brought if this turns out to be a superspreader event. I mean folks were screaming for everyone to not wear masks. How very thoughtful. Masks are an issue that is not settled. The policies are inconsistent, conflicting, and more a matter of population control. Outdoors is very low risk. No one wore masks at the riots this past summer and because it was political - no one went after those anarchists. Indoors where you don't know ventilation system quality, is another story. I don't want to touch a shopping cart if it is not cleaned off - eww.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 21:54:20 GMT -5
One other detail almost none of the folks who attacked the Capitol were not wearing masks. This is pretty much not allowed in any indoor public or business space. I wonder if any additional charges will be brought if this turns out to be a superspreader event. I mean folks were screaming for everyone to not wear masks. How very thoughtful. Masks are an issue that is not settled. The policies are inconsistent, conflicting, and more a matter of population control. Outdoors is very low risk. No one wore masks at the riots this past summer and because it was political - no one went after those anarchists. Indoors where you don't know ventilation system quality, is another story. I don't want to touch a shopping cart if it is not cleaned off - eww. I worked in the medical field for many years. You are dead wrong about this. I could explain if you’d care to listen. And the outside makes little difference when you’re crushed together and screaming and shouting. I can’t actually accept that you believe what you’re saying. It’s most like you HAVE to say it to stick with the program.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 21:55:44 GMT -5
And people did wear masks to the riots. Largely. Please. Don’t even try it. But even if you were right, it would be pointless to say because you believe (or at least claim) the science is out on the matter. Also: “because someone else did it too” is extremely immature.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 21:59:25 GMT -5
Masks are an issue that is not settled. The policies are inconsistent, conflicting, and more a matter of population control. Outdoors is very low risk. No one wore masks at the riots this past summer and because it was political - no one went after those anarchists. Indoors where you don't know ventilation system quality, is another story. I don't want to touch a shopping cart if it is not cleaned off - eww. I worked in the medical field for many years. You are dead wrong about this. I could explain if you’d care to listen. And the outside makes little difference when you’re crushed together and screaming and shouting. I can’t actually accept that you believe what you’re saying. It’s most like you HAVE to say it to stick with the program. Thank you for working in that field - that is God's work. But - Fauci sent mixed messages about masks from the outset. I think inside - if the ventilation system can carry the virus if it is not clean with filters changed often - that is a prudent place to wear one. I spent some of the early days of the pandemic making (sewing) masks because they were in such short supply - only 7% are made in the US because they were out-sourced.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 22:01:57 GMT -5
I worked in the medical field for many years. You are dead wrong about this. I could explain if you’d care to listen. And the outside makes little difference when you’re crushed together and screaming and shouting. I can’t actually accept that you believe what you’re saying. It’s most like you HAVE to say it to stick with the program. Thank you for working in that field - that is God's work. But - Fauci sent mixed messages about masks from the outset. I think inside - if the ventilation system can carry the virus if it is not clean with filters changed often - that is a prudent place to wear one. I spent some of the early days of the pandemic making (sewing) masks because they were in such short supply - only 7% are made in the US because they were out-sourced. So, Fauci stumbled a bit in the early days of a brand new 100 year pandemic and that means it’s ok for a massive mob to not wear them while violently invading an indoor space nearly a year later after we’ve learned so much more? Please I could explain the reason for masks if you’d care to listen.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 22:23:13 GMT -5
Thank you for working in that field - that is God's work. But - Fauci sent mixed messages about masks from the outset. I think inside - if the ventilation system can carry the virus if it is not clean with filters changed often - that is a prudent place to wear one. I spent some of the early days of the pandemic making (sewing) masks because they were in such short supply - only 7% are made in the US because they were out-sourced. So, Fauci stumbled a bit in the early days of a brand new 100 year pandemic and that means it’s ok for a massive mob to not wear them while violently invading an indoor space nearly a year later after we’ve learned so much more? Please I could explain the reason for masks if you’d care to listen. Outdoors is a different - everything dissipates - the wind outside carries everything away in it's path. Indoors - there is little air movement and if you are in HVAC - in many of these buildings the plenum (on the roof) only bring in about 17% fresh outside air. Outdoors you are getting 100% fresh air. You need to know the difference between safe and not safe. When they think the cameras are not cranking - they take off their masks - and have been caught. Fauci is not my favorite, but going back to the AIDS early days. Millions were raised by Hollywood people like Liz Taylor in hopes of treatment and he did almost nothing, until there were protests. He gave them AZT which the cancer docs did not want to use instead of antiretrovirals - but many thought AZT was better than nothing. I find he is a snake oil salesman and he is financially tied to Covid19. It falls under gain-of-function research. Check that out on your end. His wife is on some drug approval board in DC. He does not believe in inexpensive effective treatment and there are some which are effective and that he recommended for Sars 1 - in 2005- he is a vaxxer - on the money end. He admitted that he lied about herd immunity and masks. I'm sick of hearing "trust the science." He gives out the billions in research grants at NIH so there is plenty of sucking up to get a program funded that has zero to do with "science." It is a well-oiled money machine built on the desperation of the public to get back to normal. In a pandemic - there is no room for falsehood from a doctor to people who lost businesses and their livelihoods during a lockdown that was supposed to be 14 days - to "stop the spread." 14 days has turned into a year - and at the outset he said it would not be "a problem." He knew better because he was connected to the program.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 10, 2021 22:28:48 GMT -5
Ugh ....
Sigh ....
Have a good evening. You are making me feel very sad right now. Such a simple thing and you make vortexes of conspiracy around it. You sound like many folks when condoms first became a thing. This is actually very frightening. Risking your own health and that of others over self image/ego and because you take issue with a single individual. I think you are unwell. Do not respond. This is not a joke. You are scary and you frankly don’t know what in the living fuck you are talking about. Just my opinion. I’ll happily risk banning for telling you so. No one on this board should entertain your nonsense any further.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 22:41:44 GMT -5
Ugh .... Sigh .... Have a good evening. You are making me feel very sad right now. Such a simple thing and you make vortexes of conspiracy around it. You sound like many folks when condoms became a thing. This is actually very frightening. You should not be sad. There is no conspiracy - "conspiracy theory" was a term the CIA made up to dismiss people 60 years ago who questioned authority and the investigation after JFK was assassinated. I believe that you have to find out who you're dealing with, all the time - especially with health care. AIDS patients had enough disrespect and stigma to deal with that, they needed someone in medicine who had their best interest - in every respect. I knew a lot who did not make it. And, I was trained in law school - to always look for bias in medical or scientific studies to measure reliability - so you would know if "science" was first, and money was second. If you don't inquire into bias in any study - it is almost malpractice - did someone give them money? And, to look for inconsistent statements - like on the masks, or herd immunity. In about a year - this will be carefully examined when the dust has settled. Have a restful night.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 11, 2021 9:04:16 GMT -5
Ugh .... Sigh .... Have a good evening. You are making me feel very sad right now. Such a simple thing and you make vortexes of conspiracy around it. You sound like many folks when condoms first became a thing. This is actually very frightening. Risking your own health and that of others over self image/ego and because you take issue with a single individual. I think you are unwell. Do not respond. This is not a joke. You are scary and you frankly don’t know what in the living fuck you are talking about. Just my opinion. I’ll happily risk banning for telling you so. No one on this board should entertain your nonsense any further. And posts like this are why I am opposed to Political sub-forums and threads in a music forum. If someone comes in here, I expect them to respect each other’s point of view. If you get frustrated, I suggest that you leave and come back when you are calm and your head clear. Hot topics need to be discussed with cool heads. So, here’s the deal, I am going to lock this thread, but not the sub-forum. Should another thread start and this happens again, then the sub-forum goes away. Mike, Alan and I are not political analysts, nor babysitters. Thank you.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 11, 2021 17:38:00 GMT -5
Note: In this thread there is some question regarding wearing masks during this pandemic. Believe me, I am no doctor, but as a person with asthma, I believe that wearing a mask has been vital to my safety. So please, until told otherwise by the medical community, when you are around other people, indoors or out, for your safety as well as theirs,
Wear a mask!
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