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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 5:23:17 GMT -5
The self styled QAnon shaman... the guy who put his feet up on Pelosi's desk... the guy dangling from the Senate balcony... the dude who walked off with a lectern... all identified by reputable news sources as Trump supporters.
I admire sticking to your guns in the face of adversity, but this blind devotion to someone who actively fomented this weeks violence serves no-one.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 9, 2021 9:26:05 GMT -5
The woman who died, too. A life ruined by delusion, conspiracy theories, and hyperpartisanship.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 9:51:49 GMT -5
Aerial footage. You don't have to accept the analysis; you can watch on mute and make your own decision. What I know after this summer of riots is the "uniform" that is worn. Patriots would never be using the American flag pole, to bust in windows.
In fact, there are special rules, including never letting the American flag touch the ground, taking it in at sunset, and special ways of folding which are taught in civics education (or used to be taught) that are uniform. It is folded lengthwise and then folded into a tight triangle and the ends tucked into one side of the flag. If you attend the funeral of a veteran, you will see that firsthand.
This crowd was a hybrid, many groups blended in, including special ops, and there is footage of the DC cops opening those crowd fences to let people in as well as into the Capitol Building.
There were demonstrators who have been in the building for the Kavanaugh hearings and other purposes.
Generally, if you don't disturb the proceedings there is no problem. Taxpayers pay for that building. Can there be bad apples? You bet. That woman was shot at point blank range, and that was by someone's official security team, an attack on an unarmed civilian, who most likely had the right to have a concealed carry permit, as a veteran, but that was banned by the mayor who permitted anarchy all over DC since the summer.
And we paid for that desk for the $20 a pint designer ice cream, in front of her $25,000 freezer, House Speaker who held up money for those locked down under a political predicate. Yes, there was no decorum exhibited by that guy, but there is a certain palpable exasperation of being locked down, shut down, silenced by a condescending, intolerant tyrant.
The actual constitutional answer to uncomfortable speech, is more uncomfortable speech, not censorship. That is the actual standard. It might be counterintuitive but that is the standard.
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 10:24:28 GMT -5
For future reference, this is a good source for deciding if something is true, or not. Snopes.com |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 11:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 11:24:39 GMT -5
1. The article is about the founder's marital problems, not inaccuracies in the site itself (did you actually read it before you posted the link ?).
2. The article is over three years old. Snopes is still going strong.
3. Suggest you stop digging that hole you're standing in while you can still get out.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 9, 2021 11:27:16 GMT -5
Again: even “if” “ANTIFA” was there, how does this excuse the behaviors of the massive number of Trump supporters who were there? Folks ID’d in the commission of crimes. I know Trumpies are impressionable, but there’s no excuse.
Dishonesty and denial in full view and it’s transparent.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 11:55:59 GMT -5
Again: even “if” “ANTIF” was there, how does this excuse the behaviors of the massive number of Trump supporters who were there? Folks ID’d in the commission of crimes. I know Trumpies are impressionable, but there’s no excuse. Dishonesty and denial in full view and it’s transparent. There are nutjobs in every organization whether it is government, unions, and even bowling leagues. Of course there were massive numbers, anticipating that the VP would open alternative electors envelopes, from the state legislatures who are supposed to run the elections - in the balance of state's rights v. federal rights. This was about Pence not adjourning the session and not having a robust 2 hour per state discussion in the respective chambers house and senate. There is a ton of documentary evidence and sworn testimony on irregularities (the nicest way I can put it.) Pence had made a statement only 10 days or so earlier committing to a youth conference that he would only count "legal" votes. individual states had rejected the veracity of the electors from hearings around the country. They have videos of stuffing the ballot boxes. This is not about Trump who is only the catalyst. This is about a movement of people that they can't control. The D party freaked when the Latino support (many from communist Cuba) had become Republican. Even if he were gone - he woke a sleeping giant, who love this country and law and order. They watched their cities burn and district attorneys who never charged them for criminal and malicious destruction of property and businesses. An abc news political editor made a statement about "cleansing" the population. What does that mean? Is that internment camps like the covid ones that are being set up? Some have called for doxxing donors and supporters. Political speech is protected under 1A. It is about throwing out the Constitution and going to a globalist monetary and ruling system. We have a bundle of rights from our laws which are in grave jeopardy now. Otherwise known as Agenda 21 or Agenda 2030. generaldispatch.whatfinger.com/nolte-abc-news-political-editor-calls-for-cleansing-of-trump-movement. and videos... parler.com/protile/SidneyPowell/posts General McInerney video clip, posted by Tommy Robinson. |
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 12:14:20 GMT -5
Have to ask, do you know who "Tommy Robinson" - or as his mother calls him, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - is ? Wikipedia accurately describes him as "a British far-right and anti-Islam activist". Hardly a model citizen, and not exactly someone with any credibilty as regards impartialty (or indeed, anything else). That you introduce him into this debate is very instructive.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 9, 2021 12:14:23 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are making accusations that need to be proven in a court of law etc etc. Storming the nation’s Capitol armed with flex-cuffs, tasers, bombs, etc and causing mayhem and death is not the way to go about it.
I’m sorry.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 9, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -5
Not to mention: how are you any better than BLM or “ANTIFA” if you’re advocating the same (and worse) tactics? Aren’t they fighting for justice as well? Is Patriotism only for neckbeards in red MAGA hats?
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 12:22:47 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are making accusations that need to be proven in a court of law etc etc. Storming the nation’s Capitol armed with flex-cuffs, tasers, bombs, etc and causing mayhem and death is not the way to go about it. I’m sorry Better... just ignore her litany of lies, evasions, conspiracy theories and disproven claims, as nothing drives people like that up the wall more effectively than there being no response whatsoever. And that's what I will now do: to slightly recast part of my sig, "from where the sun now stands I will read her drivel no more forever".  |
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 9, 2021 12:24:33 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are making accusations that need to be proven in a court of law etc etc. Storming the nation’s Capitol armed with flex-cuffs, tasers, bombs, etc and causing mayhem and death is not the way to go about it. I’m sorry Better... just ignore her litany of lies, evasions, conspiracy theories and disproven claims, as nothing drives people like that up the wall more effectively than there being no response whatsoever. And that's what I will now do: to slightly recast part of my sig, "from where the sun now stands I will read her drivel no more forever". You are right, but it’s also sometimes interesting watching exactly how pretzels are made. But your advice is advice I should well heed. |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 12:27:51 GMT -5
Filledeplage, you are making accusations that need to be proven in a court of law etc etc. Storming the nation’s Capitol armed with flex-cuffs, tasers, bombs, etc and causing mayhem and death is not the way to go about it. I’m sorry Better... just ignore her litany of lies, evasions, conspiracy theories and disproven claims, as nothing drives people like that up the wall more effectively than there being no response whatsoever. And that's what I will now do: to slightly recast part of my sig, "from where the sun now stands I will read her drivel no more forever". You really think that this election questioning is a lie? And, that this general is lying? The next couple of weeks are going to be very interesting. We'll see. |
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2021 12:31:26 GMT -5
Better... just ignore her litany of lies, evasions, conspiracy theories and disproven claims, as nothing drives people like that up the wall more effectively than there being no response whatsoever. And that's what I will now do: to slightly recast part of my sig, "from where the sun now stands I will read her drivel no more forever". You are right, but it’s also sometimes interesting watching exactly how pretzels are made. But your advice is advice I should well heed. Reminds me of a quote I saw once way back in the day: "anyone who likes sausages and respects the law should never see either being made". |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 9, 2021 14:31:24 GMT -5
Better... just ignore her litany of lies, evasions, conspiracy theories and disproven claims, as nothing drives people like that up the wall more effectively than there being no response whatsoever. And that's what I will now do: to slightly recast part of my sig, "from where the sun now stands I will read her drivel no more forever". You really think that this election questioning is a lie? And, that this general is lying? The next couple of weeks are going to be very interesting. We'll see. Please tell me, exactly who has to say it for you to believe it? The Democratic Party has said that this was our most safe and secure election of all time. The majority of republican officials, law makers, senators, and house members have said that this was our most safe and secure election of all time. Bill Bar has said that this was our most safe and secure election of all time. Mitch McConnell has excepted the result. Mike Pence has excepted, and certified the result. Lindsey Grahame has excepted the result. All 9 supreme court justices, including the three that Trump appointed himself, have excepted the result. Even Rudy Giuliani refuses to go to court with an actual fraud case. The only people Who continue to deny the result are Trump, his family, those close to him, and his cult. It goes back to that analogy I said earlier. I could call the sky green all I want, and I might get a couple people to believe me out of the 7 billion people that are on this earth. But that does not make it true. There are people who Believe the earth is flat, there are people who believe that all democrats are satan worshiping pedophiles and Trump is their savior, and there are people who refuse to except the results of the election that took place in November 2020. All of those people are equally ridiculous. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 9, 2021 14:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 17:07:57 GMT -5
The lack of a resignation by Senator Harris from her senate seat. It is over 2 months since November 3rd. New Congress members and Senators were sworn in a few days ago. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 9, 2021 17:32:33 GMT -5
The lack of a resignation by Senator Harris from her senate seat. It is over 2 months since November 3rd. New Congress members and Senators were sworn in a few days ago. Joe Biden resigned on January 15, 2009, only five days before being sworn in as vice president. She could resign tonight, or as late as the morning of January 20. So please explain why, when we’re in the middle of a crisis, where the Senate has to make a lot of very important decisions, wouldn’t she resign until the very last moment? Anyone with a brain wouldn’t resign too quickly. |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 9, 2021 17:55:17 GMT -5
The lack of a resignation by Senator Harris from her senate seat. It is over 2 months since November 3rd. New Congress members and Senators were sworn in a few days ago. Joe Biden resigned on January 15, 2009, only five days before being sworn in as vice president. She could resign tonight, or as late as the morning of January 20. So please explain why, when we’re in the middle of a crisis, where the Senate has to make a lot of very important decisions, wouldn’t she resign until the very last moment? Anyone with a brain wouldn’t resign too quickly. Obama resigned a week after the election. The resignations would, as a rule, be early January at the latest, before the session so that the new appointed senator would be sworn in. It is unusual and a sign of confidence going forward in a new administration to resign. This was not a straightforward election. There was an Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election - issued on September 12, 2018. EO 13848. ...Ïn recent years, teh proliferation of digital devices and Internet-based communications has created significant vulnerabilities and magnified the scope and intensity of the threat of foreign interference, as illustrated in the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment..." (from the preamble) There are to be no machines connected to the internet. There are to be poll watchers of both parties as observers in all the states. There was a report issued by Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, which found that there was interference. |
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Post by donnylang on Jan 10, 2021 1:35:08 GMT -5
To anyone who believes that there is somehow not only a legal capability, but also somehow can justify, the possibility of the Federal Government overturning individual states’ determinations as to the winner of the election- consider the following:
In the event that the Federal Government used alternate electors in a handful of the contested states, and flipped them to Trump- this would result in disenfranchising voters in all other states. Suspecting fraud is not proving fraud- in what backwards reality can anyone argue Mike Pence gets to override the results of individual states? How are conservatives even considering this when it’s the epitome of big government control over states’ rights?
If the system is rigged, it’s rigged in favor of Republicans and always has been due to the Electoral College. Republicans can’t win without the electoral college, and Republican candidates can’t win without disenfranchised voters. This is historical fact- the harder it is for people to vote, the easier it is for Republicans to win.
Why is your vote in a small state in the middle of the country worth more than mine in CA? A state which alone is the 5th largest economy in the world.
The system is imperfect but it’s what we’ve got- Let’s assume for a moment that half of the 7 million more votes Biden got are fraudulent. 3.5 million more Americans voted for him. Let that sink in for a moment while you talk about how the election was stolen.
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Post by AGD on Jan 10, 2021 1:41:15 GMT -5
My father had a phrase that applies to most situations, but especially to the current nonsense in the US: "Can't tell someone something they don't want to hear".
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Post by donnylang on Jan 10, 2021 1:55:49 GMT -5
Yeh ... and I am a conspiracy theorist myself. As to how any conspiracy theorist could ever listen to Trump -a rich conman and hustler- I have no idea. My best theory is all this right wing crap is a false flag to discredit true conspiracies. Covert Fascism has been alive and well in the US since before the end of WWII, and Trump is the ultimate mainstream American manifestation (though I don’t think Trump has any real ideology himself, so no he is not an actual Fascist- just a power hungry wannabe dictator). Trump was the perfect guy to get half of the masses to vote against their best interests.
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Post by AGD on Jan 10, 2021 2:56:52 GMT -5
Looks like Parler hasn't got long as it's being dropped by Amazon's hosting service at 11.59pm PST today: this is as good a description as any. "...a right-wing echo chamber, almost entirely populated by users fixated on revealing examples of election fraud and posting messages in support of attempts to overturn the election outcome." This is interesting, and worrying, reading: The 65 days that led to chaos at the Capitol |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 10, 2021 9:20:34 GMT -5
Looks like Parler hasn't got long as it's being dropped by Amazon's hosting service at 11.59pm PST today: this is as good a description as any. "...a right-wing echo chamber, almost entirely populated by users fixated on revealing examples of election fraud and posting messages in support of attempts to overturn the election outcome." This is interesting, and worrying, reading: The 65 days that led to chaos at the CapitolThe Amazon server is Jeff Bezos' who owns and controls the speech at The Washington Post. If 1A is shut down, what I see down the road challenged, is a spillover into the arts. Who becomes the arbiter of song lyrics, poetry, art, literature or even manifestos of unpopular thought? Does Jeff Bezos make the decision that your creative work does not get published or pulled down from his music streaming service because he does not like your lyrics? Because he controls that streaming service. A server and internet service is like water service flowing into your home. No one is supposed to tell you that you can only use the water for cooking and you can't shower with it. And if you are vetting opinion, you are a publisher and not a free-speech platform. Of course you can't do blatantly illegal things like upload porn, but points-of-view are different from that. |
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