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Post by AGD on Jan 6, 2021 15:12:35 GMT -5
The utter impotence of Trump has finally been made manifest: he can't even control his own supporters. What's happening now is beyond disgraceful. My heart bleeds for the real America.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 6, 2021 16:09:43 GMT -5
It’s very sad, and people in my personal life who I used to respect despite their political opinions that differ from mine are actually happy about this.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 16:25:27 GMT -5
“Whew! Time for us all to go meditate!”
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 16:56:14 GMT -5
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 17:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 6, 2021 17:29:31 GMT -5
This country cannot seem have a peaceful protest anymore. Today, along with the summer protests, fringe extreme groups have come in to disrupt and create chaos. I hope and pray that this is the end of it and this country can begin to heal from within. The Democrats will now have the Presidency, the House and as of today, the Senate. Let’s see if Joe can pull everyone together and bring about the unity that this country so desperately needs.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 17:32:08 GMT -5
Yes. And after living through them not far from me - I know cops who have had bottles of urine and rocks thrown at them - they employ devious tactics. There was plenty of swag for sale so they could blend in. Attorney Lin Wood has a great deal of info that sounds mind-blowing but has proven true. @llinwood
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Post by Jim on Jan 6, 2021 17:44:29 GMT -5
Is this lady serious?
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 6, 2021 17:56:48 GMT -5
I will say this one thing and leave it at that. You say “is this lady serious?” I will ask you, why do you think all of those people were in Washington, D.C. today? There are many millions of people in this country who have lost faith in our election results, rightly or wrongly. In the aftermath of went down today, Congress will need to prove to everyone at we can all have faith and trust in our elections again.
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Post by AGD on Jan 6, 2021 18:03:22 GMT -5
I will say this one thing and leave it at that. You say “is this lady serious?” I will ask you, why do you think all of those people were in Washington, D.C. today? There are many millions of people in this country who have lost faith in our election results, rightly or wrongly. In the aftermath of went down today, Congress will need to prove to everyone at we can all have faith and trust in our elections again. Just my view, but having a president who doesn't make baseless, false and easily refuatble claims that the election was rigged, stolen or in any way unlawful would sure help a lot in this respect.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 6, 2021 18:03:27 GMT -5
You’re joking, right? Trump:
Plus all of the talks of fraudulent elections and stollen power. You can draw a straight line from things Trump has said Throughout the past four years, but especially the past two months, plus the things that people close to him have been saying, directly to what has happened today. Also, the protests throughout the summer all had one thing in common, Trump condemned them all, and said that everyone would be prosecuted to the highest extent. He has not said anything similar in this situation. He told people to be peaceful and go home in a pre-recorded video, but that’s about it. anyone who is denying why this happened, and who is responsible is just being delusional.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 6, 2021 18:09:12 GMT -5
If you need any more evidence of who was responsible...
No Direct condemnation of the violent actions, no regret for possibly causing them, no blame other than himself, no sympathy for the woman who lost her life, nothing. If Trump wasn’t responsible, don’t you think he would be going on a tweet storm defending himself? Of course he would, he would’ve been the first in line to criticize if it was antifa or BLM or the Democrats or anyone else. But no, he doesn’t
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 6, 2021 18:12:58 GMT -5
I will say this one thing and leave it at that. You say “is this lady serious?” I will ask you, why do you think all of those people were in Washington, D.C. today? There are many millions of people in this country who have lost faith in our election results, rightly or wrongly. In the aftermath of went down today, Congress will need to prove to everyone at we can all have faith and trust in our elections again. Just my view, but having a president who doesn't make baseless, false and easily refuatble claims that the election was rigged, stolen or in any way unlawful would sure help a lot in this respect. My point is is that protests could continue until everyone is satisfied that we trust our elections. Our elections are the most American thing that we have. Those people had a right to protest. The radicals did not have the right to storm the Capitol and try to destroy it. For that, I’m sitting here sick to my stomach. Now I hear that a woman who was shot has died.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 18:14:34 GMT -5
I will say this one thing and leave it at that. You say “is this lady serious?” I will ask you, why do you think all of those people were in Washington, D.C. today? There are many millions of people in this country who have lost faith in our election results, rightly or wrongly. In the aftermath of went down today, Congress will need to prove to everyone at we can all have faith and trust in our elections again. Just my view, but having a president who doesn't make baseless, false and easily refuatble claims that the election was rigged, stolen or in any way unlawful would sure help a lot in this respect. There are alternate elector slates where there were voting irregularities - that were set up in the respective states by their legislatures. Pence (who triggered this) announced that he would not look at contested elections with these alternative slates of electors. But - he vowed at a youth conference a couple of weeks ago that "every legal vote" would be counted. This is after there are countless witnesses, as well as whistleblowers who back-dated votes by the the post office, to voting irregularities where Republican "watchers" (witnesses) were not allowed meaningful access to watch votes being counted. Or were kept a football field away. This dropped last night. clarion.causeaction.com/2021/01/06/global-defense-contractor-it-expert-testifies-in-italian-court-he-and-others-switched-votes-in-the-u-s-presedential-race/
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 18:24:11 GMT -5
If you need any more evidence of who was responsible... No Direct condemnation of the violent actions, no regret for possibly causing them, no blame other than himself, no sympathy for the woman who lost her life, nothing. If Trump wasn’t responsible, don’t you think he would be going on a tweet storm defending himself? Of course he would, he would’ve been the first in line to criticize if it was antifa or BLM or the Democrats or anyone else. But no, he doesn’t Not so fast. He has massive rallies all the time with tens of thousands of people - and they are not violent. Antifa was on twitter getting bulletins, with directions as to how to proceed and mix in with the crowds. Told to wear the hats backwards. Yesterday was an all day prayer rally mostly with women speakers from the conservative groups. Sound violent? The mainstream media never covers stuff like that. That woman was unarmed. She is someone's daughter, wife, girlfriend and maybe mother.
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Post by AGD on Jan 6, 2021 18:26:33 GMT -5
Just my view, but having a president who doesn't make baseless, false and easily refuatble claims that the election was rigged, stolen or in any way unlawful would sure help a lot in this respect. There are alternate elector slates where there were voting irregularities - that were set up in the respective states by their legislatures. Pence (who triggered this) announced that he would not look at contested elections with these alternative slates of electors. But - he vowed at a youth conference a couple of weeks ago that "every legal vote" would be counted. This is after there are countless witnesses, as well as whistleblowers who back-dated votes by the the post office, to voting irregularities where Republican "watchers" (witnesses) were not allowed meaningful access to watch votes being counted. Or were kept a football field away. This dropped last night.
1. Almost every single action that Trump brought alleging electoral fraud was dismissed. In one of the few that succeded, a recount in Wisconsin resulted in seleveal hundred more votes for Biden.
2. Why in an Italian court ? federalinquirer.com is, to be polite about it, not a reliable, impartial news source.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 18:46:21 GMT -5
There are alternate elector slates where there were voting irregularities - that were set up in the respective states by their legislatures. Pence (who triggered this) announced that he would not look at contested elections with these alternative slates of electors. But - he vowed at a youth conference a couple of weeks ago that "every legal vote" would be counted. This is after there are countless witnesses, as well as whistleblowers who back-dated votes by the the post office, to voting irregularities where Republican "watchers" (witnesses) were not allowed meaningful access to watch votes being counted. Or were kept a football field away. This dropped last night.
1. Almost every single action that Trump brought alleging electoral fraud was dismissed. In one of the few that succeded, a recount in Wisconsin resulted in seleveal hundred more votes for Biden.
2. Why in an Italian court ? federalinquirer.com is, to be polite about it, not a relaible, impartial news source.
Dismissed on "procedural" issues not "subject matter" - the actual merits of the cases and people are frustrated that their courts have not heard these cases, particularly after Bush v. Gore and other voting related cases. Second - that was an Italian court because the servers were Italian servers, Leonardo SpA. It corroborates Director of National Security Ratcliff's Report on International Intrusion. The Leonardo server is partially owned by the Italian government. That is not good for US-Italian relations for one government to meddle in the elections of another government, who is an ally. It is a drip of one of the links to Foreign Interference in a US Election, contrary to US law. Why are USA votes sent to servers out of the country? That is not the way it happens. This is the first drip of a big story with links to prior cases from the US. The group involved is a non-profit called Nations In Action, out of Florida, who were the whistleblowers in this event. There are other articles with YouTubes embedded if people want to learn more about this. Voting machines, by law, are not supposed to be connected to the internet for this very reason-tampering. They are supposed to be self-contained. You put in your ballot and it is counted. At the end of the voting session - the votes are tallied, low tech - no internet with hacking vulnerabilities.
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Post by Jim on Jan 6, 2021 18:54:30 GMT -5
1. Almost every single action that Trump brought alleging electoral fraud was dismissed. In one of the few that succeded, a recount in Wisconsin resulted in seleveal hundred more votes for Biden.
2. Why in an Italian court ? federalinquirer.com is, to be polite about it, not a relaible, impartial news source.
Dismissed on "procedural" issues not "subject matter" - the actual merits of the cases and people are frustrated that their courts have not heard these cases, particularly after Bush v. Gore and other voting related cases. Second - that was an Italian court because the servers were Italian servers, Leonardo SpA. It corroborates Director of National Security Ratcliff's Report on International Intrusion. The Leonardo server is partially owned by the Italian government. That is not good for US-Italian relations for one government to meddle in the elections of another government, who is an ally. It is a drip of one of the links to Foreign Interference in a US Election, contrary to US law. Why are USA votes sent to servers out of the country? That is not the way it happens. This is the first drip of a big story with links to prior cases from the US. The group involved is a non-profit called Nations In Action, out of Florida, who were the whistleblowers in this event. There are other articles with YouTubes embedded if people want to learn more about this. Voting machines, by law, are not supposed to be connected to the internet for this very reason-tampering. They are supposed to be self-contained. You put in your ballot and it is counted. At the end of the voting session - the votes are tallied, low tech - no internet with hacking vulnerabilities. Why weren’t you worried about this in 2016/2017? I mean, by golly, isn’t it possible these same machines were used for nefarious purposes to change votes from Clinton to Tremp? Of course I have nothing to prove this happened, but in the US these days apparently proof isn’t needed for anything. You can just make shit up and then say “I don’t have faith in this system or that system because MY ‘TEAM’ LOST!” What a joke.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 6, 2021 19:06:31 GMT -5
If you need any more evidence of who was responsible... No Direct condemnation of the violent actions, no regret for possibly causing them, no blame other than himself, no sympathy for the woman who lost her life, nothing. If Trump wasn’t responsible, don’t you think he would be going on a tweet storm defending himself? Of course he would, he would’ve been the first in line to criticize if it was antifa or BLM or the Democrats or anyone else. But no, he doesn’t Not so fast. He has massive rallies all the time with tens of thousands of people - and they are not violent. Antifa was on twitter getting bulletins, with directions as to how to proceed and mix in with the crowds. Told to wear the hats backwards. Yesterday was an all day prayer rally mostly with women speakers from the conservative groups. Sound violent? The mainstream media never covers stuff like that. That woman was unarmed. She is someone's daughter, wife, girlfriend and maybe mother. the Trump tweet that I linked has been blocked, so that basically makes that post irrelevant. But you literally ignored the point that I brought up. If this wasn’t trumps fault, don’t you think he would be defending himself, and sending his prayers to the woman’s family who lost her life? He has done neither. He hasn’t blamed the protest or riot or whatever on anyone, and he hasn’t said anything about the woman who died. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words, especially with Trump.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:09:37 GMT -5
Dismissed on "procedural" issues not "subject matter" - the actual merits of the cases and people are frustrated that their courts have not heard these cases, particularly after Bush v. Gore and other voting related cases. Second - that was an Italian court because the servers were Italian servers, Leonardo SpA. It corroborates Director of National Security Ratcliff's Report on International Intrusion. The Leonardo server is partially owned by the Italian government. That is not good for US-Italian relations for one government to meddle in the elections of another government, who is an ally. It is a drip of one of the links to Foreign Interference in a US Election, contrary to US law. Why are USA votes sent to servers out of the country? That is not the way it happens. This is the first drip of a big story with links to prior cases from the US. The group involved is a non-profit called Nations In Action, out of Florida, who were the whistleblowers in this event. There are other articles with YouTubes embedded if people want to learn more about this. Voting machines, by law, are not supposed to be connected to the internet for this very reason-tampering. They are supposed to be self-contained. You put in your ballot and it is counted. At the end of the voting session - the votes are tallied, low tech - no internet with hacking vulnerabilities. Why weren’t you worried about this in 2016/2017? I mean, by golly, isn’t it possible these same machines were used for nefarious purposes to change votes from Clinton to Tremp? Of course I have nothing to prove this happened, but in the US these days apparently proof isn’t needed for anything. You can just make shit up and then say “I don’t have faith in this system or that system because MY ‘TEAM’ LOST!” What a joke. That is a very good question, sir. Voting machines were low tech until around 2000. The name Dominion was not in my sphere - I had heard of Diebold. Now, it is quite elaborate. These machines were often used by the US for "regime change" in other countries for them (US) to manipulate - and not nice for the US to behave that way. In the old days, at the polls, you would enter the machine, pull a lever, a curtain would close, you would vote and then swing the lever in the opposite direction, to part the curtain, and your vote was in the machine. At the end of the night, the machine would be turned around (anyone could watch) and the totals called out for the poll workers to record for their candidates. You can think what you like. This is still America.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:22:59 GMT -5
Not so fast. He has massive rallies all the time with tens of thousands of people - and they are not violent. Antifa was on twitter getting bulletins, with directions as to how to proceed and mix in with the crowds. Told to wear the hats backwards. Yesterday was an all day prayer rally mostly with women speakers from the conservative groups. Sound violent? The mainstream media never covers stuff like that. That woman was unarmed. She is someone's daughter, wife, girlfriend and maybe mother. the Trump tweet that I linked has been blocked, so that basically makes that post irrelevant. But you literally ignored the point that I brought up. If this wasn’t trumps fault, don’t you think he would be defending himself, and sending his prayers to the woman’s family who lost her life? He has done neither. He hasn’t blamed the protest or riot or whatever on anyone, and he hasn’t said anything about the woman who died. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words, especially with Trump. It has been blocked because Twitter and Facebook censors. He is looking to remove Section 230 protection, because they behave as publishers, not an open platform where free speech is permitted. That is not consistent with 1st Amendment rights. This event at the Capitol - followed news of Pence who promised to count every "legal" vote - going back on his word - as opposed to the illegal thousands of dead voters who requested mail-in ballots - some with birthdays of around the 1900's. You don't know what his personal actions are. He often personally telephones the families of deceased veterans and others without telling the press. It is the old Orange Man Bad deal. His job is to set policy that he promised in his campaign, not be a security guard. Police were told to "stand down" during the riots this summer and let them destroy all they wanted. All of a sudden a Trump event has the National Guard called alongside the DC police who let DC burn all summer? Seriously. That was a partisan decision. People look to the US as free country - and want to come here - because of its country's values and Constitutional protections - not to be a part of a globalist scheme under totalitarianism.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:23:03 GMT -5
Yes. And after living through them not far from me - I know cops who have had bottles of urine and rocks thrown at them - they employ devious tactics. There was plenty of swag for sale so they could blend in. Attorney Lin Wood has a great deal of info that sounds mind-blowing but has proven true. @llinwood Lin Wood? That’s all anyone has to say. I’ll go and hide under the desk from Antifa now.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:25:06 GMT -5
Dismissed on "procedural" issues not "subject matter" - the actual merits of the cases and people are frustrated that their courts have not heard these cases, particularly after Bush v. Gore and other voting related cases. Second - that was an Italian court because the servers were Italian servers, Leonardo SpA. It corroborates Director of National Security Ratcliff's Report on International Intrusion. The Leonardo server is partially owned by the Italian government. That is not good for US-Italian relations for one government to meddle in the elections of another government, who is an ally. It is a drip of one of the links to Foreign Interference in a US Election, contrary to US law. Why are USA votes sent to servers out of the country? That is not the way it happens. This is the first drip of a big story with links to prior cases from the US. The group involved is a non-profit called Nations In Action, out of Florida, who were the whistleblowers in this event. There are other articles with YouTubes embedded if people want to learn more about this. Voting machines, by law, are not supposed to be connected to the internet for this very reason-tampering. They are supposed to be self-contained. You put in your ballot and it is counted. At the end of the voting session - the votes are tallied, low tech - no internet with hacking vulnerabilities. Why weren’t you worried about this in 2016/2017? I mean, by golly, isn’t it possible these same machines were used for nefarious purposes to change votes from Clinton to Tremp? Of course I have nothing to prove this happened, but in the US these days apparently proof isn’t needed for anything. You can just make shit up and then say “I don’t have faith in this system or that system because MY ‘TEAM’ LOST!” What a joke. Yeah, and have you noticed they’re not screaming and crying about Dominon machines when it comes to states Trump won.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:27:26 GMT -5
Yes. And after living through them not far from me - I know cops who have had bottles of urine and rocks thrown at them - they employ devious tactics. There was plenty of swag for sale so they could blend in. Attorney Lin Wood has a great deal of info that sounds mind-blowing but has proven true. @llinwood Lin Wood? That’s all anyone has to say. I’ll go and hide under the desk from Antifa now. Wood may be very opinionated but he called Pence out, no one believed him-and was correct. Pence lied. Antifa did big damage all over the US but only in D states.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:30:20 GMT -5
Who is saying they didn’t?
There is quite a bit of difference between some buildings being burned/windows busted and actually trying to destroy/prevent democracy! One of the few things Dems and Repub politicians agree on is the sacredness of the process, which is why you saw McConnell get up and say what he did. We’re not having an honest conversation here and you must realize just how transparent your motives appear to be.
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