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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:34:26 GMT -5
Why weren’t you worried about this in 2016/2017? I mean, by golly, isn’t it possible these same machines were used for nefarious purposes to change votes from Clinton to Tremp? Of course I have nothing to prove this happened, but in the US these days apparently proof isn’t needed for anything. You can just make shit up and then say “I don’t have faith in this system or that system because MY ‘TEAM’ LOST!” What a joke. Yeah, and have you noticed they’re not screaming and crying about Dominon machines when it comes to states Trump won. There was fraud found with those machines in nearly every state - (maybe not enough to lodge a challenge on) but I think the reason they can't (at this point) call it "pervasive" is that those in question are "battleground states" that he won last time and he campaigned in multiple times as opposed to the other candidate who did not campaign at all. One of the big harangues, post 2016, was why did Hillary not go to Wisconsin once - as she was foolishly advised by her campaign staff (not her husband, who told her to, and was overruled) and she did not win Wisconsin. Trump crisscrossed the country and hit most states multiple times. I do think that these machines should not be used because they are subject to hacking.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:40:54 GMT -5
Yeah, and have you noticed they’re not screaming and crying about Dominon machines when it comes to states Trump won. There was fraud found with those machines in nearly every state - (maybe not enough to lodge a challenge on) but I think the reason they can't (at this point) call it "pervasive" is that those in question are "battleground states" that he won last time and he campaigned in multiple times as opposed to the other candidate who did not campaign at all. One of the big harangues, post 2016, was why did Hillary not go to Wisconsin once - as she was foolishly advised by her campaign staff (not her husband, who told her to, and was overruled) and she did not win Wisconsin. Trump crisscrossed the country and hit most states multiple times. I do think that these machines should not be used because they are subject to hacking. Just because a candidate crisscrosses states doesn’t mean those states are somehow ordered to vote for them. Trump has never been anything but a deeply unpopular President and he was repudiated. Face it.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:41:35 GMT -5
Who is saying they didn’t? There is quite a bit of difference between some buildings being burned/windows busted and actually trying to destroy/prevent democracy! One of the few things Dems and Repub politicians agree on is the sacredness of the process, which is why you saw McConnell get up and say what he did. We’re not having an honest conversation here and you must realize just how transparent your motives appear to be. What is preventing Democracy? Some of those who ended up inside never thought the public was not welcome to enter the building and never had been to DC. The crowd erupted and people just followed. Here is a disclosure - I'm a D - 3rd gen. But I'm not happy about the constitution not being followed. There are a couple of schools of thought about the US Constitution. An Originalist - who generally wants an amendment to the Constitution when needed. Others think it is old and gone beyond its use. Trump is an originalist - he is not in my party - but I believe in originalism. You can call it dishonest - but isn't this the place where other points of view are tolerated - even if you don't agree? That is divergence of opinion and not dishonesty. I knew nothing about him until I saw him kick the butts of 16 other (mostly windbag) Republicans at the debate. And he did not mince words or act like a politician and that was refreshing from hearing the sanitized b.s. from them. They never have an opinion and sit right on the middle of the fence. All talk - no action.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:43:20 GMT -5
Gotcha 👍
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 6, 2021 19:44:21 GMT -5
gotta admit I loved watching Trump embarrass Jeb Bush and tell him we were attacked under his brother’s watch, right to his face.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 19:52:58 GMT -5
gotta admit I loved watching Trump embarrass Jeb Bush and tell him we were attacked under his brother’s watch, right to his face. That was delicious - especially after they poured millions into ads as if they could pass the job on - in the family will.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2021 20:10:37 GMT -5
The woman who was killed in the US Capitol building, was a 14 year Air Force Veteran from San Diego - Ashley Babbit.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 7, 2021 0:24:06 GMT -5
Did that really just happen in America? The whole world is watching mob violence clash with politics.
Sure there were more than a few folks waking up to the headache of Warnock and Ossoff holding on
for the win. That was real frosting on the cake for my gang of thinkers. Even without that, I figured
something was bound to flash. But nothing as bad as this. 14 more days to a new beginning.
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Post by AGD on Jan 7, 2021 0:48:17 GMT -5
Yeah, and have you noticed they’re not screaming and crying about Dominon machines when it comes to states Trump won. There was fraud found with those machines in nearly every state - (maybe not enough to lodge a challenge on) but I think the reason they can't (at this point) call it "pervasive" is that those in question are "battleground states" that he won last time and he campaigned in multiple times as opposed to the other candidate who did not campaign at all. One of the big harangues, post 2016, was why did Hillary not go to Wisconsin once - as she was foolishly advised by her campaign staff (not her husband, who told her to, and was overruled) and she did not win Wisconsin. Trump crisscrossed the country and hit most states multiple times. I do think that these machines should not be used because they are subject to hacking. You really believe the nonsense you're spouting, don't you ? Trump Is Looking for Fraud in All the Wrong Places
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Post by John Manning on Jan 7, 2021 4:19:28 GMT -5
The utter impotence of Trump has finally been made manifest: he can't even control his own supporters. What's happening now is beyond disgraceful. My heart bleeds for the real America. Agree with everything you say other than one thing: I’d say Trump does have control over his own supporters. They did exactly what he told them to, and more, just as he intended. I hope the US will remove him, and that Pence, instead of stepping up, quits (which to my mind seems a kinda honourable way out for him). There is no excuse for Trump – good people were warning against him as long ago as 2016.
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Post by AGD on Jan 7, 2021 4:34:49 GMT -5
He told them to respect the law and go home. Twice. Instead, they stormed the Capitol and four people died as a result.
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Post by AGD on Jan 7, 2021 4:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by John Manning on Jan 7, 2021 6:42:25 GMT -5
He told them to respect the law and go home. Twice. Instead, they stormed the Capitol and four people died as a result. He told them to go home after telling them to march, knowing they’d be away from their TV screens and too committed to be paying attention to social media. His “go home” message was for the cameras, not for his mob. The Guardian: ‘Less than an hour before the Capitol was breached, Trump had told his supporters: “We want to be so respectful of everybody – bad people. And we are going to have to fight much harder.” ‘He told them to march from the White House along the national mall to the Capitol to “save our democracy”. He even said he would go with them, but it was just another promise he had no intention of keeping, taking his motorcade instead the hundred yards back to the White House. ‘Go to the Congress “peacefully and patriotically” he told them, but a matter of minutes later, the barricades outside the Capitol were down and the mob was charging. They had been told, again and again, their nation was at stake, child-trafficking Chinese-run socialists were taking over, and they had to fight harder. ‘Those Republicans who failed to overturn the election were “weak” and “pathetic”, allowing Democrats to destroy the country.’ To these people, “peacefully and patriotically” weren’t the same thing, and they went with the option he’d hoped they would. He’s an ogre.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 7, 2021 7:15:58 GMT -5
Well he officially “somewhat” conceded... in the only way he knows how. With tons of spite, snark and more false facts, from someone else’s Twitter account because he got his suspended for inciting violence. Like a child who’s had their favorite toys taken away.
And still, it’s the next morning, and not a peep from him about the woman who died, the several who were injured, and his own VP who was in danger and had to be taken to a Secure location. It’s truly a sad day, and Trump, but more importantly, Trumpism, will be a permanent black mark on America’s history.
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Post by John Manning on Jan 7, 2021 8:20:11 GMT -5
Manages to pack the word “fight” in a couple of times. He’s going to cause more trouble and more people will die. As if 370,000 wasn’t enough already.
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Post by AGD on Jan 7, 2021 9:51:24 GMT -5
Well he officially “somewhat” conceded... in the only way he knows how. With tons of spite, snark and more false facts, from someone else’s Twitter account because he got his suspended for inciting violence. Like a child who’s had their favorite toys taken away. And still, it’s the next morning, and not a peep from him about the woman who died, the several who were injured, and his own VP who was in danger and had to be taken to a Secure location. It’s truly a sad day, and Trump, but more importantly, Trumpism, will be a permanent black mark on America’s history. I believe the only possible response is a hearty "FFS !!"
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 7, 2021 10:10:53 GMT -5
Manages to pack the word “fight” in a couple of times. He’s going to cause more trouble and more people will die. As if 370,000 wasn’t enough already. He is not responsible for a virus that hit all of our shores (from a lab - from a type of sinister research called gain-of-function) but he is responsible for moving lightening speed vaccine development. He is not responsible for governors (like NY) locking elderly and disabled behind the doors of nursing homes when a Mercy Ship - US Comfort was sent to NY harbor just to relieve the strain of the outbreak and took few patients. Multiple variants were identified early on. And he is not responsible for publicity smear treatment [hydroxychloroquine (20 dollars) and ivermectin] by pharma manufacturers who were looking to milk billions from clinical trial-level research - that are only approved for Emergency Authorization Use. A French Doctor-Dr. Raoult Didier used them with great success. As well as a doc in NY - who had zero deaths from the same protocol and who was smeared as well. This is politicization of medicine. I find it sickening. There is so much noise that his actual achievements such as improving the military - that the world uses as their personal security force, or the peace brokered in the Middle East which has been attempted for decades. The military-industrial complex loves war - and loves the kickbacks from all the companies whose existence depends on US military involvement. He hates war and the blood spilled of our young people to benefit other nations, industries or corporations. There were no weapons of mass destruction. But we lost 10,000 young people.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 7, 2021 11:06:23 GMT -5
Manages to pack the word “fight” in a couple of times. He’s going to cause more trouble and more people will die. As if 370,000 wasn’t enough already. He is not responsible for a virus that hit all of our shores (from a lab - from a type of sinister research called gain-of-function) but he is responsible for moving lightening speed vaccine development. He is not responsible for governors (like NY) locking elderly and disabled behind the doors of nursing homes when a Mercy Ship - US Comfort was sent to NY harbor just to relieve the strain of the outbreak and took few patients. Multiple variants were identified early on. And he is not responsible for publicity smear treatment [hydroxychloroquine (20 dollars) and ivermectin] by pharma manufacturers who were looking to milk billions from clinical trial-level research - that are only approved for Emergency Authorization Use. A French Doctor-Dr. Raoult Didier used them with great success. As well as a doc in NY - who had zero deaths from the same protocol and who was smeared as well. This is politicization of medicine. I find it sickening. There is so much noise that his actual achievements such as improving the military - that the world uses as their personal security force, or the peace brokered in the Middle East which has been attempted for decades. The military-industrial complex loves war - and loves the kickbacks from all the companies whose existence depends on US military involvement. He hates war and the blood spilled of our young people to benefit other nations, industries or corporations. There were no weapons of mass destruction. But we lost 10,000 young people. I could go in public, or go on social media, or go on Internet message boards, and say over and over again that “the sky is green, the sky is green, the sky is green!!!” I might actually convince a couple people that the sky is in fact green. But that doesn’t make it true.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 7, 2021 11:18:46 GMT -5
He is not responsible for a virus that hit all of our shores (from a lab - from a type of sinister research called gain-of-function) but he is responsible for moving lightening speed vaccine development. He is not responsible for governors (like NY) locking elderly and disabled behind the doors of nursing homes when a Mercy Ship - US Comfort was sent to NY harbor just to relieve the strain of the outbreak and took few patients. Multiple variants were identified early on. And he is not responsible for publicity smear treatment [hydroxychloroquine (20 dollars) and ivermectin] by pharma manufacturers who were looking to milk billions from clinical trial-level research - that are only approved for Emergency Authorization Use. A French Doctor-Dr. Raoult Didier used them with great success. As well as a doc in NY - who had zero deaths from the same protocol and who was smeared as well. This is politicization of medicine. I find it sickening. There is so much noise that his actual achievements such as improving the military - that the world uses as their personal security force, or the peace brokered in the Middle East which has been attempted for decades. The military-industrial complex loves war - and loves the kickbacks from all the companies whose existence depends on US military involvement. He hates war and the blood spilled of our young people to benefit other nations, industries or corporations. There were no weapons of mass destruction. But we lost 10,000 young people. I could go in public, or go on social media, or go on Internet message boards, and say over and over again that “the sky is green, the sky is green, the sky is green!!!” I might actually convince a couple people that the sky is in fact green. But that doesn’t make it true. When one relies only on mainstream media - one becomes blinded by propaganda and narratives. I just watched a confession of a paid agitator who was at the event and have watched a man in a suit shoot the veteran and capitol police taking selfies with these "dangerous protestors." This is a time to dig for real information that mainstream media is feeding us. This it a time to filter the crap from truth. When I saw those congresspeople file out during a shootout - no one looked frazzled and freaked out because there were shooters in the building - the shooting came from secret service. Look at photos of men scaling the capitol building walls. They were not maga supporters. They were professional mercenaries. These congress people looked like kids walking calmly in a fire drill in school. They were not afraid. This was political theater. Listen to Matt Gaetz. Get the whole picture. There are videos of ballot box stuffing - that evidence was never introduced. This is a color revolution in progress - done in other countries. Read Wikileaks. Watch Project Veritas.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 7, 2021 11:40:03 GMT -5
I could go in public, or go on social media, or go on Internet message boards, and say over and over again that “the sky is green, the sky is green, the sky is green!!!” I might actually convince a couple people that the sky is in fact green. But that doesn’t make it true. When one relies only on mainstream media - one becomes blinded by propaganda and narratives. I just watched a confession of a paid agitator who was at the event and have watched a man in a suit shoot the veteran and capitol police taking selfies with these "dangerous protestors." This is a time to dig for real information that mainstream media is feeding us. This it a time to filter the crap from truth. When I saw those congresspeople file out during a shootout - no one looked frazzled and freaked out because there were shooters in the building - the shooting came from secret service. Look at photos of men scaling the capitol building walls. They were not maga supporters. They were professional mercenaries. These congress people looked like kids walking calmly in a fire drill in school. They were not afraid. This was political theater. Listen to Matt Gaetz. Get the whole picture. There are videos of ballot box stuffing - that evidence was never introduced. This is a color revolution in progress - done in other countries. Read Wikileaks. Watch Project Veritas. Ever heard of Q? I think you would love that Community. They really dig for the... um... facts.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 7, 2021 11:47:03 GMT -5
When one relies only on mainstream media - one becomes blinded by propaganda and narratives. I just watched a confession of a paid agitator who was at the event and have watched a man in a suit shoot the veteran and capitol police taking selfies with these "dangerous protestors." This is a time to dig for real information that mainstream media is feeding us. This it a time to filter the crap from truth. When I saw those congresspeople file out during a shootout - no one looked frazzled and freaked out because there were shooters in the building - the shooting came from secret service. Look at photos of men scaling the capitol building walls. They were not maga supporters. They were professional mercenaries. These congress people looked like kids walking calmly in a fire drill in school. They were not afraid. This was political theater. Listen to Matt Gaetz. Get the whole picture. There are videos of ballot box stuffing - that evidence was never introduced. This is a color revolution in progress - done in other countries. Read Wikileaks. Watch Project Veritas. Ever heard of Q? I think you would love that Community. They really dig for the... um... facts. Oh please - Q is crap. Wikileaks and Project Veritas - see the suppression of criminality and events. That is just dismissive in an attempt to be insulting.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 7, 2021 12:24:01 GMT -5
He told them to respect the law and go home. Twice. Instead, they stormed the Capitol and four people died as a result. He told them to go home after telling them to march, knowing they’d be away from their TV screens and too committed to be paying attention to social media. His “go home” message was for the cameras, not for his mob.The Guardian: ‘Less than an hour before the Capitol was breached, Trump had told his supporters: “We want to be so respectful of everybody – bad people. And we are going to have to fight much harder.” ‘He told them to march from the White House along the national mall to the Capitol to “save our democracy”. He even said he would go with them, but it was just another promise he had no intention of keeping, taking his motorcade instead the hundred yards back to the White House. ‘Go to the Congress “peacefully and patriotically” he told them, but a matter of minutes later, the barricades outside the Capitol were down and the mob was charging. They had been told, again and again, their nation was at stake, child-trafficking Chinese-run socialists were taking over, and they had to fight harder. ‘Those Republicans who failed to overturn the election were “weak” and “pathetic”, allowing Democrats to destroy the country.’ To these people, “peacefully and patriotically” weren’t the same thing, and they went with the option he’d hoped they would. He’s an ogre. This is the right order to how it happened. The country woke up to Trump's speech then the crowd moved on to the Capitol. Later he made some kind of "go home" video - which the criminals paid no mind of. A report I saw said only 42 were arrested out of a crowd of hundreds. That is disgraceful. They have plenty of faces on video to study... and arrest. I don't know how much you folks overseas got to see, though I did watch the report from ITV this morning. That cat was right in the middle of it with the rioters. One report that stood out to me, was that if this had been Black Lives Matter protesters the halls would have been covered with dead bodies. Trump let this happen with his blessings, even making statements that he was glad the senators lost in Georgia because they were not loyal. This morning crazy-boy just moves on. He's making a list of golfers he wants to give Medals of Freedom to. I haven't checked, but I guess they have reopened Trump's Twitter account. Trump was obviously still awake when the results were being finished up, and got Dan Scavino to post for him at 3:49am. Trump is done. His legacy is a disaster.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 7, 2021 12:40:32 GMT -5
Want to add that as far as I can tell, Trump, his son and lawyer's speeches were not televised. I watch MSNBC,
they stopped showing his rantings months ago. I only saw brief clips with the sound turned on. They let him
rant on in a side-box with the sound turned off, only giving us the wilder sound-bites after the fact. One was
from Giuliani, "Let's have trial by combat!"
Today, most of the talk is centered on the 25th Amendment. Nobody wants two more weeks of this crap.
Nobody. I saw a report that a flight plan has been filed for a Presidential plane on 19th January to Scotland.
He's got some golfing to tend to.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 7, 2021 12:52:21 GMT -5
He told them to go home after telling them to march, knowing they’d be away from their TV screens and too committed to be paying attention to social media. His “go home” message was for the cameras, not for his mob.The Guardian: ‘Less than an hour before the Capitol was breached, Trump had told his supporters: “We want to be so respectful of everybody – bad people. And we are going to have to fight much harder.” ‘He told them to march from the White House along the national mall to the Capitol to “save our democracy”. He even said he would go with them, but it was just another promise he had no intention of keeping, taking his motorcade instead the hundred yards back to the White House. ‘Go to the Congress “peacefully and patriotically” he told them, but a matter of minutes later, the barricades outside the Capitol were down and the mob was charging. They had been told, again and again, their nation was at stake, child-trafficking Chinese-run socialists were taking over, and they had to fight harder. ‘Those Republicans who failed to overturn the election were “weak” and “pathetic”, allowing Democrats to destroy the country.’ To these people, “peacefully and patriotically” weren’t the same thing, and they went with the option he’d hoped they would. He’s an ogre. This is the right order to how it happened. The country woke up to Trump's speech then the crowd moved on to the Capitol. Later he made some kind of "go home" video - which the criminals paid no mind of. A report I saw said only 42 were arrested out of a crowd of hundreds. That is disgraceful. They have plenty of faces on video to study... and arrest. I don't know how much you folks overseas got to see, though I did watch the report from ITV this morning. That cat was right in the middle of it with the rioters. One report that stood out to me, was that if this had been Black Lives Matter protesters the halls would have been covered with dead bodies. Trump let this happen with his blessings, even making statements that he was glad the senators lost in Georgia because they were not loyal. This morning crazy-boy just moves on. He's making a list of golfers he wants to give Medals of Freedom to. I haven't checked, but I guess they have reopened Trump's Twitter account. Trump was obviously still awake when the results were being finished up, and got Dan Scavino to post for him at 3:49am. Trump is done. His legacy is a disaster. You forgot about this buffoon. “Trial by combat.”
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Post by John Manning on Jan 7, 2021 13:06:53 GMT -5
Scotland’s First Minister has already said that Covid-19 restrictions mean he’s not going to Scotland to play golf. Or anything else.
Andrew Neil just made a very valid point on BBC Radio 4 – the people who took part in yesterday’s events were hardly likely to succeed being a bunch of Kool-Aid-drunken loops in fancy dress. Hard to take seriously but for the lives lost.
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