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Post by AGD on Nov 19, 2023 4:38:13 GMT -5
SS has been MIA again since the 15th. Hopefully not an extended absence like the 12/21-1/22 run: as I said then, there's not so many BB fora that we can afford to drop one, even temporarily.
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Post by Awesoman on Nov 19, 2023 12:59:16 GMT -5
And considering that the SS board has seen less and less activity in recent years is troubling too. Perhaps part of the problem is they've apparently kicked so many folks off of there which hasn't helped.
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Post by petsite on Nov 19, 2023 18:13:48 GMT -5
Here is what really bothers me about this:
nslookup endlessharmony.boards.net
Name: endlessharmony.boards.net IP Addresses: 151.101.129.91 151.101.65.91 151.101.1.91 151.101.193.91
nslookup smileysmile.net
DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds.
Not even showing up in a DNS lookup, which means smileysmile.net can not resolve to any address on the internet.
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Post by Emdeeh on Nov 19, 2023 19:32:24 GMT -5
A Whois search shows Smiley's domain registration is still current. That leaves the hosting, which may need to be renewed.
Activity on that board was low, but had been picking up right before it went down. I agree, we need all our BB forums, since they represent different fan communities.
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Post by Mikie on Nov 19, 2023 19:35:52 GMT -5
That leaves the hosting, which may need to be renewed. Same ol' shtuff, different year! Our Admin always pays the bills on time.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Nov 19, 2023 19:42:29 GMT -5
And considering that the SS board has seen less and less activity in recent years is troubling too. Perhaps part of the problem is they've apparently kicked so many folks off of there which hasn't helped. Actually, it is the main reason why we came into existence, along with the Pet Sounds Forum before that. The three of us (EH, Today and SS) all exist to meet the demands of the various types of Beach Boys fandom. We are all co-existing and that is a very good thing.
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Post by AGD on Nov 20, 2023 1:16:44 GMT -5
Here is what really bothers me about this:
nslookup endlessharmony.boards.net
Name: endlessharmony.boards.net IP Addresses: 151.101.129.91 151.101.65.91 151.101.1.91 151.101.193.91
nslookup smileysmile.net
DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds.
Not even showing up in a DNS lookup, which means smileysmile.net can not resolve to any address on the internet.
Please explain to this tech-illiterate, preferably in words of one syllable or less, why this is so worrying: I've googled "DNS request timed out" and frankly the responses might as well have been written in cuneiform for all the sense they made to me. Emdeeh seems to be implying the hosting costs haven't been paid, so... confused, Farnham
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Post by Al S on Nov 20, 2023 2:23:57 GMT -5
Here is what really bothers me about this:
nslookup endlessharmony.boards.net
Name: endlessharmony.boards.net IP Addresses: 151.101.129.91 151.101.65.91 151.101.1.91 151.101.193.91
nslookup smileysmile.net
DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds.
Not even showing up in a DNS lookup, which means smileysmile.net can not resolve to any address on the internet.
Please explain to this tech-illiterate, preferably in words of one syllable or less, why this is so worrying: I've googled "DNS request timed out" and frankly the responses might as well have been written in cuneiform for all the sense they made to me. Emdeeh seems to be implying the hosting costs haven't been paid, so... confused, Farnham A DNS server contains the info that translates a website name - eg endlessharmony.boards.net into an IP address eg, 151.101.129.91 (or a couple of others as Bob has noted above). If there's a problem, it's usually the fault (or doing) of the Internet Service Provider. So, if our board went down (again) due to DNS time out errors, it would probably mean that the DNS server that belongs to the ISP who provides services to Proboards (our amazing web hosts) is screwed. So the site is off the air, due to a complex issue, which some may find bothering etc, YMMV. Anyway, that's how I understand it - the addition of any further complexity into my head is likely to bring on a brace of the old nose-bleeds.
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Post by AGD on Nov 20, 2023 3:09:10 GMT -5
Thanks. Now I understand. I think.
As I recall the last big SS outage was down to the board being plain outdated and incompatible-ish with the current 'net. Patently that was in some manner resolved... but could that be the problem again here?
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Post by petsite on Nov 20, 2023 3:38:24 GMT -5
Sorry Andrew, its the IT engineer in me.
Basically, when you type endlessharmony.boards.net into your browser, it is really a url text name that corresponds to an Internet Address like 151.101.129.91. That is the server address. Text names were started as a way to make it easier to type in website to your browser. It is easier to remember than 151.101.129.91.
All through out the internet, there are DNS (Domain Name Servers) who keep basically a running file of all of the server locations and their URL names. So when you type in (as in our case) endlessharmony.boards.net it looks up the IP address as 151.101.129.91 and sends you there. It can also send you to servers 151.101.65.91, 151.101.1.91, or 151.101.193.91. Those are usually servers in the same location, just back ups that are set to constantly update the other servers so the content it all the same.
So when I did the following:
nslookup smileysmile.net
DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds.
What that is telling me is that smileysmile.net is not in the registry of DNS names. Usually that means the internet service provider had it removed for SOME reason, usually non-payment. If we knew the actual IP address, we could possibly get to it, but more than likely the site itself has been taken down. Funny that they don't even put up what we call a SORRY PAGE which says THIS PAGE IS CURRENTLY not available. But the fact that the ISP had the URL removed says a lot more has transpired.
Servers are sometimes a bitch to deal with (my time in the IT world was engineering apps and designing the servers they would run on). My Mother-In-Law just changed ISPs. On my ISP, if I type the email URL in NSLOOKUP, there are 8 different servers they can route you to so you can get there faster. My Mother-In-Law's routes to ONE FREAKING SERVER and it is S-L-O-W. If there is a lot of traffic, it can take up to 2 minutes for an email to open.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Nov 20, 2023 4:00:16 GMT -5
We all know what a corrupt place it can be, but the worst part is losing all that archival information over the years.... A great library of knowledge between some of those pages.
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Post by beachmallow on Nov 20, 2023 4:50:56 GMT -5
We all know what a corrupt place it can be, but the worst part is losing all that archival information over the years.... A great library of knowledge between some of those pages. How big was Smileysmile.net, and how important is their archive? Is it for sale?
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Post by AGD on Nov 20, 2023 5:52:45 GMT -5
We all know what a corrupt place it can be, but the worst part is losing all that archival information over the years.... A great library of knowledge between some of those pages. How big was Smileysmile.net, and how important is their archive? Is it for sale? Back in the day, early 2000s on, along with Cabinessence/Shut Down, Beach Boys Britain and Male Ego, it was one of the major, major boards, undestandable since it evolved from the justly legendary Smile Shop. However since the Exodus of May 2016, and increasingly of late, its importance and traffic has greatly declined: there have been days when no-one has posted at all. That said, so has dedicated BB forum traffic as a whole (Brian's official forum is essentially moribund). As for the archive - utterly irreplacable: sterling research work has been done there in the past which changed our understanding of BB history and band interactions. Sadly, since the mid 2010s it adopted and promoted an increasingly aggressive pro-Brian attitude, which in and of itself was not a problem: the man is clearly a musical genius. It was the virulently anti-Mike stance that caused all the problems. That and the mods. As for it being for sale, back during the last major outage, Chuckie (the board owner) offered it to me - seriously or not, I couldn't tell. I asked him to name a price, but there was no reply. You might try asking him again, via the Pet Sounds Mailing List... or here, as he's still registered I believe. One final piece of the puzzle: Chuckie's overring interest is comics and the trading thereof, in which he's a big player. His interest in SS is close to non-existant, which is why pretty much every year come subs renewal time, it goes down for a few hours. That never happens here of course, because we all know who pays the bills. edit: yes, he is, here - Chuckie
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Post by AGD on Nov 20, 2023 6:07:25 GMT -5
Sorry Andrew, its the IT engineer in me.
Basically, when you type endlessharmony.boards.net into your browser, it is really a url text name that corresponds to an Internet Address like 151.101.129.91. That is the server address. Text names were started as a way to make it easier to type in website to your browser. It is easier to remember than 151.101.129.91.
All through out the internet, there are DNS (Domain Name Servers) who keep basically a running file of all of the server locations and their URL names. So when you type in (as in our case) endlessharmony.boards.net it looks up the IP address as 151.101.129.91 and sends you there. It can also send you to servers 151.101.65.91, 151.101.1.91, or 151.101.193.91. Those are usually servers in the same location, just back ups that are set to constantly update the other servers so the content it all the same.
So when I did the following:
nslookup smileysmile.net
DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds.
What that is telling me is that smileysmile.net is not in the registry of DNS names. Usually that means the internet service provider had it removed for SOME reason, usually non-payment. If we knew the actual IP address, we could possibly get to it, but more than likely the site itself has been taken down. Funny that they don't even put up what we call a SORRY PAGE which says THIS PAGE IS CURRENTLY not available. But the fact that the ISP had the URL removed says a lot more has transpired. So, basically, it's gone. Not just unreachable, but gone. Damn. Damn damn damn.
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Post by beachmallow on Nov 20, 2023 6:15:37 GMT -5
How big was Smileysmile.net, and how important is their archive? Is it for sale? Back in the day, early 2000s on, along with Cabinessence/Shut Down, Beach Boys Britain and Male Ego, it was one of the major, major boards, undestandable since it evolved from the justly legendary Smile Shop. However since the Exodus of May 2016, and increasingly of late, its importance and traffic has greatly declined: there have been days when no-one has posted at all. That said, so has dedicated BB forum traffic as a whole (Brian's official forum is essentially moribund). As for the archive - utterly irreplacable: sterling research work has been done there in the past which changed our understanding of BB history and band interactions. Sadly, since the mid 2010s it adopted and promoted an increasingly aggressive pro-Brian attitude, which in and of itself was not a problem: the man is clearly a musical genius. It was the virulently anti-Mike stance that caused all the problems. That and the mods. As for it being for sale, back during the last major outage, Chuckie (the board owner) offered it to me - seriously or not, I couldn't tell. I asked him to name a price, but there was no reply. You might try asking him again, via the Pet Sounds Mailing List... or here, as he's still registered I believe. One final piece of the puzzle: Chuckie's overring interest is comics and the trading thereof, in which he's a big player. His interest in SS is close to non-existant, which is why pretty much every year come subs renewal time, it goes down for a few hours. That never happens here of course, because we all know who pays the bills. edit: yes, he is, here - ChuckieInformation is everything. Looks like he has not logged on here since last year. PSML news has not been updated since 2021. Does he run a comic shop somewhere? Is he known to answer a phone?
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Post by AGD on Nov 20, 2023 6:25:35 GMT -5
comiclist.com
And my bad, he does far more than just trade in comics.
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Post by beachmallow on Nov 20, 2023 6:59:31 GMT -5
comiclist.com
And my bad, he does far more than just trade in comics. Thank you. Hopefully we can come to terms. The Beach Boys are significant to American culture, and original sources pertaining to them should be properly archived.
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Post by jk on Nov 20, 2023 8:23:50 GMT -5
We all know what a corrupt place it can be, but the worst part is losing all that archival information over the years.... A great library of knowledge between some of those pages. This. Smiley was where I discovered that there were BB boards where posting could mean a roasting. Although I understand Smiley back in the day was a kindergarten compared to other BB sites of yore... Darn shame anyway. Luckily the "Beach Boys Definitive Vocals Thread" found its way here and to BBT.
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Post by Cam Mott on Nov 20, 2023 9:16:54 GMT -5
Some of us archived our own self-proclaimed archival posts, along with our DMs (especially with mods), because there seemed to be a discrepency between what was true and what was a lie. (buffs nails on lapel)
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Post by Emdeeh on Nov 20, 2023 10:09:21 GMT -5
Looking more closely at the Whois entry for smileysmile dot net, I noticed that the board is hosted on two servers dedicated to comiclist dot com. So I tried that URL (directly, not the blog link that AGD posted above) and got the same results as the Smiley board. That means neither server is getting DNS recognition.
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Post by filledeplage on Nov 20, 2023 10:31:21 GMT -5
Some of us archived our own self-proclaimed archival posts, along with our DMs (especially with mods), because there seemed to be a discrepency between what was true and what was a lie. (buffs nails on lapel) Cam - I have zero sympathy for whatever is going on there. For a guy who financially benefits as a commercial artist, from 1st amendment freedom of expression guaranteed in these United States, there is a viewpoint based bias. Nor is there any type of appeal in the sense of procedural due process. There is no such thing as 3 strikes. Nor is there appeal. There is no respect for personal messages on their site. It discredits them right off the bat. The best thing I ever did was insist that correspondence I wanted private was taken to a private email address and not to trust their respect for privacy in personal correspondence. And I seem to recall an attorney who was hassled and who threatened to sue if all his/their posts were not removed and hope I recall that correctly. They don't get a pass from me. I know the guy who was delegated to running the site is accomplished in music. I respect his credentials, but for the life of me, will never understand the viewpoint-based bias. Or causing a division and smearing among all BB/BW fans, especially post-C50. I'm sorry for the work that could be lost. Thanks to Dirk for opening this board up nearly 5 years ago, and the mods who are fair, reasonable, and exercise discretion. And this gradual and thoughtful membership-building that is close to a thousand members including highly respected and accomplished BB team members. But, I'm not tiptoeing ever around their offensive egregiousness. No one devotes time to this collective conversation if there is no genuine love and respect for the entire body of work. That is a given. You don't smear people who have a different point of view or ideology. JMHO
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Post by John Manning on Nov 20, 2023 11:24:02 GMT -5
Have messaged Charles, in the interests of preserving the good work once done there. Seems (from the chat history) that I also messaged him in 2011, 2013 and 2014 on the same subject.
Fingers crossed.
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Post by John Manning on Nov 20, 2023 12:04:06 GMT -5
Have messaged Charles, in the interests of preserving the good work once done there. Seems (from the chat history) that I also messaged him in 2011, 2013 and 2014 on the same subject. Fingers crossed. He’s on it.
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Post by bessieboporbach on Nov 20, 2023 12:13:30 GMT -5
I was never a member of the Smiley forum (at least I don't think I was -- I have poked around a lot of forums over the years though). Just a lurker. But the deciding factor in why I joined this forum and not SS was nothing to do with the "culture" of either. It was just because Smiley isn't readable on a phone. If anything's killing their forum, it's that. And it's really too bad because their forum software is evidently so out of date now that it would probably be extremely difficult if not impossible to migrate it.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Nov 20, 2023 13:00:18 GMT -5
Some of us archived our own self-proclaimed archival posts, along with our DMs (especially with mods), because there seemed to be a discrepency between what was true and what was a lie. (buffs nails on lapel) Cam - I have zero sympathy for whatever is going on there. For a guy who financially benefits as a commercial artist, from 1st amendment freedom of expression guaranteed in these United States, there is a viewpoint based bias. Nor is there any type of appeal in the sense of procedural due process. There is no such thing as 3 strikes. Nor is there appeal. There is no respect for personal messages on their site. It discredits them right off the bat. The best thing I ever did was insist that correspondence I wanted private was taken to a private email address and not to trust their respect for privacy in personal correspondence. And I seem to recall an attorney who was hassled and who threatened to sue if all his/their posts were not removed and hope I recall that correctly. They don't get a pass from me. I know the guy who was delegated to running the site is accomplished in music. I respect his credentials, but for the life of me, will never understand the viewpoint-based bias. Or causing a division and smearing among all BB/BW fans, especially post-C50. I'm sorry for the work that could be lost. Thanks to Dirk for opening this board up nearly 5 years ago, and the mods who are fair, reasonable, and exercise discretion. And this gradual and thoughtful membership-building that is close to a thousand members including highly respected and accomplished BB team members. But, I'm not tiptoeing ever around their offensive egregiousness. No one devotes time to this collective conversation if there is no genuine love and respect for the entire body of work. That is a given. You don't smear people who have a different point of view or ideology. JMHO I’m sure that if you counted them there would be 2002 reasons for the start of the viewpoint-based bias you mention. I have read a few times where this person has a hard time accepting criticism and that could be the major reason for problems.
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