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Post by Steve Mayo on Jul 8, 2022 14:35:02 GMT -5
Best to just ignore it, man. It's basic board drama-- utterly insignificant in the scope of things. Why use up any of your valuable energy even worrying about it? Don't take the bait. Exactly. I've been a "hard" fan since summer 1975 and though I never thought it would happen, the events of the last few weeks/months have just sucked all the joy out of it for me. I'm close to done with this band, at least to the extent I have been. I posted my thoughts on the latest release here at the time. As for Howie, he's been doing his job, and very well: he's all over the 'net and while he's not been single-handedly responsible for the reboot hitting the Top 30, that's got to have been a factor. But, some elected to focus on individual sentences instead of the overall message, and we lost what could have been a huge asset to this forum. So he didn't post much: 396 people who've registered with this board since it began haven't posted at all. That's almost exactly half. How many posts anyone makes is a meaningless metric (look at my posting total for proof of that). I need to work out how, or if, I can make all this fun for myself again and right now, with the added joy of there being new members who seem to have come here with the express intent of stirring it, I'm not seeing it. Some will see this as a good thing, and they could well be right. Time to regroup and reconsider. Back in my 30s I had a tshirt that said "I'm too old to have to put up with all this shit". If only I'd known... totally agree.
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Post by AGD on Jul 8, 2022 14:48:59 GMT -5
All I can really say about Edelson is he's arrogant, he has no diplomacy. I have no interest in these remixes which are pretty much subjective regarding Alan and Mark. I enjoy the music as Brian produced it and I first heard it. Yet he's working for BRI/IAG and wether you like it or not, is part of the CopEx programme.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 12, 2022 7:44:43 GMT -5
Never thought i’d see the day smileysmile trashes EH for negativity and be correct about it. Trashing us about treatment of howie. Howie also left a post there. I believe this place has ran him off. Don’t blame him. Sad. Thought we were better than that. Consider the source. Maybe they should read Leaf’s book, in the section, about flyover country, and his epiphany of sorts about the roots of the band, a good thing. It is typical, arrogant, coastal elitism. The city mouse v. The country mouse. Entertainers go where the people are, and where they spend their money. So what if it is Malt Shop Memories. I heard at Brian’s concert that Al is supposed to be involved in a similarly-organized cruise. So, as businessmen, they are following their demographic.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 12, 2022 14:31:04 GMT -5
Well, I for one, am not sympathetic, as I personally disagree with every thing Howie said in those two posts above. I don’t need anybody to “help me out” by changing my opinions, and I don’t think The Beach Boys need to be made “cool” by releasing bad mixes.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 12, 2022 15:27:01 GMT -5
Well, I for one, am not sympathetic, as I personally disagree with every thing Howie said in those two posts above. I don’t need anybody to “help me out” by changing my opinions, and I don’t think The Beach Boys need to be made “cool” by releasing bad mixes. We’re in deep pain? 😂 Seriously. I’m not feeling it. There is more good humor, and balance, especially from people who landed on their feet after being slammed. And, I read on Hoff a couple of weeks ago that this board, is basically the go-to place. We aren’t censored, even if there can be a limit to a discussion that is reasonable once everyone has had their say. No one tells you how to think.
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Post by carllove on Jul 12, 2022 19:24:49 GMT -5
Well I for one have been more than a bit disgusted by the tone and uncalled for personal attacks that have happened on this board lately. We get your point. Now move on and stop mentioning the mixes and your opinions of them and for God sakes stop chasing off honored guests. I also happen to love the new mix of Marcella.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 12, 2022 19:38:30 GMT -5
Well I for one have been more than a bit disgusted by the tone and uncalled for personal attacks that have happened on this board lately. We get your point. Now move on and stop mentioning the mixes and your opinions of them and for God sakes stop chasing off honored guests. I also happen to love the new mix of Marcella. No one was attacked. The mods kept an eye on the thread. All we allowed were responses to text posted here and to what was said in interviews. If you’re gonna blow smoke, then people should be able to turn the fan toward from which it comes. You know, I can say the same thing about all the negative Mike Love posts. Where is the disgust there? We allow our members to have their say, no matter the topic. Where else do you propose folks to go and discuss the latest things going on in Beach Boys world?
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Post by carllove on Jul 12, 2022 20:05:50 GMT -5
Well I for one have been more than a bit disgusted by the tone and uncalled for personal attacks that have happened on this board lately. We get your point. Now move on and stop mentioning the mixes and your opinions of them and for God sakes stop chasing off honored guests. I also happen to love the new mix of Marcella. No one was attacked. The mods kept an eye on the thread. All we allowed were responses to text posted here and to what was said in interviews. If you’re gonna blow smoke, then people should be able to turn the fan toward from which it comes. You know, I can say the same thing about all the negative Mike Love posts. Where is the disgust there? We allow our members to have their say, no matter the topic. Where else do you propose folks to go and discuss the latest things going on in Beach Boys world? I realize you were keeping an “eye on the thread”, I saw Alan’s reminder’s, but I feel like things went too far. I’m not the only one. I might be the only one to voice my opinion here because I really care about this board, I know other’s are holding back or avoiding it right now, and don’t want to see this board devolve into a cesspool of negativity. I learn a lot here, and I don’t want to have this board become ban happy like SS did for awhile, but how many reminders can you give before some members are completely turned off and leave? I don’t know what the answer is, and your job is incredibly difficult and without monetary reward, but some of us here are very upset right now. That is why I chose to voice my opinion. This is not a sweep under the rug moment. I know the mods are trying there best to deal with it, but just know that we are upset and unsettled about recent events.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 12, 2022 20:37:00 GMT -5
No one was attacked. The mods kept an eye on the thread. All we allowed were responses to text posted here and to what was said in interviews. If you’re gonna blow smoke, then people should be able to turn the fan toward from which it comes. You know, I can say the same thing about all the negative Mike Love posts. Where is the disgust there? We allow our members to have their say, no matter the topic. Where else do you propose folks to go and discuss the latest things going on in Beach Boys world? I realize you were keeping an “eye on the thread”, I saw Alan’s reminder’s, but I feel like things went too far. I’m not the only one. I might be the only one to voice my opinion here because I really care about this board, I know other’s are holding back or avoiding it right now, and don’t want to see this board devolve into a cesspool of negativity. I learn a lot here, and I don’t want to have this board become ban happy like SS did for awhile, but how many reminders can you give before some members are completely turned off and leave? I don’t know what the answer is, and your job is incredibly difficult and without monetary reward, but some of us here are very upset right now. That is why I chose to voice my opinion. This is not a sweep under the rug moment. I know the mods are trying there best to deal with it, but just know that we are upset and unsettled about recent events. I started this board and I care very much about this place. Whether positive or negative, folks need a place to express what they are feeling. It is not your place to tell them how they should feel. You don’t like something being discussed, then don’t partake in the conversation. Guess what, I’m upset too. I’m upset that my favorite band had their two latest releases come out and both sound like crap. The same guy came in here two times and told me how great they sounded. Me and others took umbrage at being told falsehoods. It is not like we were given this stuff for free. I paid approx. $130.00 for both releases, total. I expected something much different then what I received. So, we sounded off. Again, worse things are said about band members and nobody bats an eye. I love that you are a great edition to our forum, but please remember that we are here for a reason; to give fans a voice regarding what’s going on with our favorite band. Thank you for understanding.
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Post by carllove on Jul 12, 2022 21:18:14 GMT -5
I realize you were keeping an “eye on the thread”, I saw Alan’s reminder’s, but I feel like things went too far. I’m not the only one. I might be the only one to voice my opinion here because I really care about this board, I know other’s are holding back or avoiding it right now, and don’t want to see this board devolve into a cesspool of negativity. I learn a lot here, and I don’t want to have this board become ban happy like SS did for awhile, but how many reminders can you give before some members are completely turned off and leave? I don’t know what the answer is, and your job is incredibly difficult and without monetary reward, but some of us here are very upset right now. That is why I chose to voice my opinion. This is not a sweep under the rug moment. I know the mods are trying there best to deal with it, but just know that we are upset and unsettled about recent events. I started this board and I care very much about this place. Whether positive or negative, folks need a place to express what they are feeling. It is not your place to tell them how they should feel. You don’t like something being discussed, then don’t partake in the conversation. Guess what, I’m upset too. I’m upset that my favorite band had their two latest releases come out and both sound like crap. The same guy came in here two times and told me how great they sounded. Me and others took umbrage at being told falsehoods. It is not like we were given this stuff for free. I paid approx. $130.00 for both releases, total. I expected something much different then what I received. So, we sounded off. Again, worse things are said about band members and nobody bats an eye. I love that you are a great edition to our forum, but please remember that we are here for a reason; to give fans a voice regarding what’s going on with our favorite band. Thank you for understanding. Well - I understand, but feel that certain people unfairly made personal attacks on an honored guest and it just wasn’t right. Also, there is a certain point when an opinion has been made and it continues to be made, despite the original topic of the thread and it gets tiresome. I also know I have seen efforts to reign that in, and it is much appreciated, but I can’t help but voice my displeasure with those events and posts. Voicing an opinion once or twice is fine and expected, but when it becomes a crusade of utter negativity, it is annoying. Also - the personal attacks on Howie were inappropriate. Howie may not have responded is the most diplomatic way, but who can blame him? How many of us in the same situation would not have been less than introspective in our response?
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 12, 2022 21:30:35 GMT -5
I started this board and I care very much about this place. Whether positive or negative, folks need a place to express what they are feeling. It is not your place to tell them how they should feel. You don’t like something being discussed, then don’t partake in the conversation. Guess what, I’m upset too. I’m upset that my favorite band had their two latest releases come out and both sound like crap. The same guy came in here two times and told me how great they sounded. Me and others took umbrage at being told falsehoods. It is not like we were given this stuff for free. I paid approx. $130.00 for both releases, total. I expected something much different then what I received. So, we sounded off. Again, worse things are said about band members and nobody bats an eye. I love that you are a great edition to our forum, but please remember that we are here for a reason; to give fans a voice regarding what’s going on with our favorite band. Thank you for understanding. Well - I understand, but feel that certain people unfairly made personal attacks on an honored guest and it just wasn’t right. Also, there is a certain point when an opinion has been made and it continues to be made, despite the original topic of the thread and it gets tiresome. I also know I have seen efforts to reign that in, and it is much appreciated, but I can’t help but voice my displeasure with those events and posts. Voicing an opinion once or twice is fine and expected, but when it becomes a crusade of utter negativity, it is annoying. Also - the personal attacks on Howie were inappropriate. Howie may not have responded is the most diplomatic way, but who can blame him? How many of us in the same situation would not have been less than introspective in our response? First, Howie rarely comes in here and when he does the first thing that he posts in ages is an admonishment of the membership. Needless to say, I was not impressed. Respect works both ways. You don’t come in here and tell people that their concerns are not warranted. You have to earn respect to receive it. He thought he was above the membership and that our concerns didn’t matter. Well, they do matter and he found out just how much they matter.
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Post by carllove on Jul 12, 2022 22:05:51 GMT -5
Well - I understand, but feel that certain people unfairly made personal attacks on an honored guest and it just wasn’t right. Also, there is a certain point when an opinion has been made and it continues to be made, despite the original topic of the thread and it gets tiresome. I also know I have seen efforts to reign that in, and it is much appreciated, but I can’t help but voice my displeasure with those events and posts. Voicing an opinion once or twice is fine and expected, but when it becomes a crusade of utter negativity, it is annoying. Also - the personal attacks on Howie were inappropriate. Howie may not have responded is the most diplomatic way, but who can blame him? How many of us in the same situation would not have been less than introspective in our response? First, Howie rarely comes in here and when he does the first thing that he posts in ages is an admonishment of the membership. Needless to say, I was not impressed. Respect works both ways. You don’t come in here and tell people that their concerns are not warranted. You have to earn respect to receive it. He thought he was above the membership and that our concerns didn’t matter. Well, they do matter and he found out just how much they matter. Would you not be dismissive if you come into a forum as an honored guest and first thing you are attacked? The rush of criticism about the whole lot I’m sure was unexpected and overwhelming. There needed to be a modicum of decorum. Thoughtful criticism is warranted, but personal attacks should never be if we ever want to hear new releases in the future. I imagine that Howie isn’t getting rich given the numbers of sales of Beach Boys material. Doing something that you love and thinking that you are going into a forum who loves that band that you love and then having them treat you like scum for doing your job that you loved, must be devastating beyond belief. If there is push back from that person or a dismissal of opinions, some of which perhaps are valid, can you not blame that individual for a less than perfect response?
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 12, 2022 22:30:21 GMT -5
First, Howie rarely comes in here and when he does the first thing that he posts in ages is an admonishment of the membership. Needless to say, I was not impressed. Respect works both ways. You don’t come in here and tell people that their concerns are not warranted. You have to earn respect to receive it. He thought he was above the membership and that our concerns didn’t matter. Well, they do matter and he found out just how much they matter. Would you not be dismissive if you come into a forum as an honored guest and first thing you are attacked? The rush of criticism about the whole lot I’m sure was unexpected and overwhelming. There needed to be a modicum of decorum. Thoughtful criticism is warranted, but personal attacks should never be if we ever want to hear new releases in the future. I imagine that Howie isn’t getting rich given the numbers of sales of Beach Boys material. Doing something that you love and thinking that you are going into a forum who loves that band that you love and then having them treat you like scum for doing your job that you loved, must be devastating beyond belief. If there is push back from that person or a dismissal of opinions, some of which perhaps are valid, can you not blame that individual for a less than perfect response? Howie is a PR man. It is what he is paid to do. If there is problem, he should address it, rather than tell us to basically shut up and quit your bitchin’. I don’t want people here who think we are some kind of piss ants and should shut up and take what we give you and like it. That is essentially what he came in here and did. If he feels he was disrespected, just think how we members felt when he tried to belittle our concerns.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 13, 2022 7:05:08 GMT -5
After sleeping on it overnight, I am locking this thread. I want to apologize to everyone for letting myself get drawn into a subject that should have run it’s course weeks ago.
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