ryankc
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Post by ryankc on Jun 15, 2022 18:48:13 GMT -5
I pop in and post to both forums sporadically (I'm JoinTheHumanRace at Smiley), but have followed Smiley for over a decade, so I am somewhat familiar with the schisms that arose within the fandom. I know of a lot of the posters on both forums even though no one knows me. I try not to take a side because a lot of it seems like drama for drama sake. I'm not blaming any poster here or there or anywhere; it's just my take.
We're all, to varying degrees, superfans of The Beach Boys. I think that brings with it a sense of personal ownership of the music and group because we all were able to really connect and relate to the most obscure music and historical knowledge of the guys. Perhaps that's why some people get defensive/angry/irritated/etc with others online because we're all a bunch of super fans bringing our own version of what the BB are and what their legacy is and should be.
I'm immensely grateful for the material that's been released within the last decade. I haven't listened to all of the Copyright Extensions, but it's nice knowing that I have that at my fingertips whenever I want to listen to a session. In regards to sound quality, it's whatever to me. Will there be particular songs that sound not to my liking; especially if it was booted and sounded better? Sure, but that's life. We can't everything we want. I respect all those involved with these works and I always will.
I hope BB fans can work together and celebrate the music.
Back to the chauffeur's quarters, now.
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Post by AGD on Jun 16, 2022 16:36:18 GMT -5
We're all, to varying degrees, superfans of The Beach Boys. I've never liked the term "superfan". It smacks of elitism, of self-importance. As I've said elsewhere, you can just have the original Sounds Of Summer and be just as big, or as passionate, a fan as the guy whose got every release from "Surfin'" on Candix 331 on and owns Brian's bowling shoes.
Sadly, I think that ship sailed in late February 2004: the London premiere shows of BWPS were, in my mind, the high watermark of unified BB fandom. Fans came from places such as the US, Australia, China, South Africa and all points in between, and the camaraderie of those six/seven days was as amazing as it was heart-warming. London seemed full of people wearing Smile tshirts. A group of us went on a Jack the Ripper walking tour one night, and our guide said to another guide "oh well, no Brian Wilson again tonight". Turns out he was a fan who couldn't get a seat... so we fixed him up with tickets and BSPs.
And then the schisms and cliques started. It's too late now, people are too entrenched in their often mistaken beliefs and credos to start waving olive branches. It's sad, but that's life.
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Post by E on Jun 17, 2022 5:04:09 GMT -5
The Hoffman board comments should generate equally long 'observations'...
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 17, 2022 7:54:42 GMT -5
I can't believe the horrid and nastiness that continues on with that lot over there.
They wanna talk about Lies?
That's the kettle calling the coffee black. They are the chief masters of excluding people for having opinions and views.
Once upon a time, it was the place to be.
Seems they take pleasure in alienating people as opposed to bringing people together. It's obvious even looking back when I was there, 'it's OK to have your opinion, as long as it's shared by the rest of us'. If you don't fit into that category, you learn soon enough your not wanted in their company. Lucky, we have this place here and others now where people can be open and expressive. Music/Life should be 'free speech', especially with this particular band. The thing is when you are ex communicated from there, you don't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself. They wonder why the board has ended up with it's reputation. The amount of good folks they have lost there is not measurable, but it's good they have other places they can pop up in now. It's good we don't take those draconian measures here and there's always another side to the story...
Sheesh!
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rjm
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Post by rjm on Jun 17, 2022 10:38:38 GMT -5
I can't believe the horrid and nastiness that continues on with that lot over there.
They wanna talk about Lies?
That's the kettle calling the coffee black. They are the chief masters of excluding people for having opinions and views.
Once upon a time, it was the place to be.
Seems they take pleasure in alienating people as opposed to bringing people together. It's obvious even looking back when I was there, 'it's OK to have your opinion, as long as it's shared by the rest of us'. If you don't fit into that category, you learn soon enough your not wanted in their company. Lucky, we have this place here and others now where people can be open and expressive. Music/Life should be 'free speech', especially with this particular band. The thing is when you are ex communicated from there, you don't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself. They wonder why the board has ended up with it's reputation. The amount of good folks they have lost there is not measurable, but it's good they have other places they can pop up in now. It's good we don't take those draconian measures here and there's always another side to the story...
Sheesh!
I could easily say the same about here.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 17, 2022 11:59:24 GMT -5
I can't believe the horrid and nastiness that continues on with that lot over there.
They wanna talk about Lies?
That's the kettle calling the coffee black. They are the chief masters of excluding people for having opinions and views.
Once upon a time, it was the place to be.
Seems they take pleasure in alienating people as opposed to bringing people together. It's obvious even looking back when I was there, 'it's OK to have your opinion, as long as it's shared by the rest of us'. If you don't fit into that category, you learn soon enough your not wanted in their company. Lucky, we have this place here and others now where people can be open and expressive. Music/Life should be 'free speech', especially with this particular band. The thing is when you are ex communicated from there, you don't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself. They wonder why the board has ended up with it's reputation. The amount of good folks they have lost there is not measurable, but it's good they have other places they can pop up in now. It's good we don't take those draconian measures here and there's always another side to the story...
Sheesh!
I could easily say the same about here. This place nor PSF would have to have existed except for the cesspool of nastiness at SS.
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Post by E on Jun 17, 2022 12:10:36 GMT -5
The negative posts about this on here are no worse - and certainly fewer - than those at Hoffman
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 17, 2022 13:26:09 GMT -5
Someone should tally the negative and positive reviews of SoS, like was so helpful for NPP. (<- joke)
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Post by AGD on Jun 17, 2022 13:29:44 GMT -5
The negative posts about this on here are no worse - and certainly fewer - than those at Hoffman People who listen to the equipment, not the music.
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Post by E on Jun 17, 2022 13:49:39 GMT -5
Would you get anybody as nice as Alan Smith on SS (any more)?
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Post by donnylang on Jun 17, 2022 20:34:03 GMT -5
Well The overwhelming majority on here and elsewhere, from what I’ve seen, mentioned heavy treble and compression as their concerns, and I find both of those things very valid as someone who takes issue with both of them. I love the new mixes, they sound BIG. Shut Down especially sounds in a whole new world. 60s Beach Boys records sound tiny, nothing wrong with it and I love that too, these mixes are just a different take. It’s just a band and it’s just music, it isn’t the end of the world. People need to relax. It’s not just a band and its music. The Beach Boys music can be a spiritual experience. A set like this has the potential to become the standard way in which people are introduced to and listen to some of the group’s most notable tracks. Which is their recorded history. Carl’s mixes have been changed significantly into entirely new productions IMO, and Carl is not here to approve. I’m surprised the AI mixes were approved for release also. To me they sound unnatural, and have digital artifacts so obvious that everyday people are commenting on YouTube wondering about the sound.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jun 18, 2022 7:44:23 GMT -5
I love the new mixes, they sound BIG. Shut Down especially sounds in a whole new world. 60s Beach Boys records sound tiny, nothing wrong with it and I love that too, these mixes are just a different take. It’s just a band and it’s just music, it isn’t the end of the world. People need to relax. It’s not just a band and its music. The Beach Boys music can be a spiritual experience. A set like this has the potential to become the standard way in which people are introduced to and listen to some of the group’s most notable tracks. Which is their recorded history. Carl’s mixes have been changed significantly into entirely new productions IMO, and Carl is not here to approve. I’m surprised the AI mixes were approved for release also. To me they sound unnatural, and have digital artifacts so obvious that everyday people are commenting on YouTube wondering about the sound. Personally, I find the farting about with Carl and Dennis songs to be slightly distasteful. A little nip and tuck here and there, ok - but radically altering the songs and/or doing things that are obviously detrimental to the finished track, it just strikes me as wrong. As you say, they aren't here to approve, and I find it hard to believe that a perfectionist like Carl would approve of this awful, awful, awful new mix of Marcella, or that Dennis would have preferred Baby Blue to have had a load of added hiss for no apparent reason. (Speaking of Baby Blue, if this is the definitive version - as claimed by Howie - then I'm the Loch Ness Monster.)
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 18, 2022 8:09:14 GMT -5
It’s not just a band and its music. The Beach Boys music can be a spiritual experience. A set like this has the potential to become the standard way in which people are introduced to and listen to some of the group’s most notable tracks. Which is their recorded history. Carl’s mixes have been changed significantly into entirely new productions IMO, and Carl is not here to approve. I’m surprised the AI mixes were approved for release also. To me they sound unnatural, and have digital artifacts so obvious that everyday people are commenting on YouTube wondering about the sound. Personally, I find the farting about with Carl and Dennis songs to be slightly distasteful. A little nip and tuck here and there, ok - but radically altering the songs and/or doing things that are obviously detrimental to the finished track, it just strikes me as wrong. As you say, they aren't hear to approve, and I find it hard to believe that a perfectionist like Carl would approve of this awful, awful, awful new mix of Marcella, or that Dennis would have preferred Baby Blue to have had a load of added hiss for no apparent reason. (Speaking of Baby Blue, if this is the definitive version - as claimed by Howie - then I'm the Loch Ness Monster.) Howie is a media guy. Alan and Mark are sound guys. People need to stay in their lane. Last night I checked out the blowback on YouTube, which is now removed, with comments in the off position. So there may be some changes, in attitude, anyway. If it ain’t broke, don’t “fix it.” Someone talked about the superior sound of flat-masters. I missed that boat. This music requires reverence, and not arrogance. To try to be neutral, figured I would try listening different ways, to see if the sound deviated, over the TV, for a bunch of tracks, I’m listening on over-the-ear, bluetooth Sony’s, (one of my kid’s) and San Miguel sounds rich and deep. I listened to Farmer’s Daughter, over an ipad and it was as crisply yearning and passionate, with a young Brian’s flawless falsetto. Reminded me of my suitcase record player in mono, over a single 2” speaker. And Everyone’s in Love with You - the background vocals are more prominent, than I ever heard with the live stuff on YouTube, and find it tender and sweet as are the woodwinds, nothing overpowering, especially piano or percussion, just the right recipe. (Was that Charles Lloyd?) All This is That, perfect as is Feel Flows.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 18, 2022 10:31:00 GMT -5
I can't believe the horrid and nastiness that continues on with that lot over there.
They wanna talk about Lies?
That's the kettle calling the coffee black. They are the chief masters of excluding people for having opinions and views.
Once upon a time, it was the place to be.
Seems they take pleasure in alienating people as opposed to bringing people together. It's obvious even looking back when I was there, 'it's OK to have your opinion, as long as it's shared by the rest of us'. If you don't fit into that category, you learn soon enough your not wanted in their company. Lucky, we have this place here and others now where people can be open and expressive. Music/Life should be 'free speech', especially with this particular band. The thing is when you are ex communicated from there, you don't have a leg to stand on to defend yourself. They wonder why the board has ended up with it's reputation. The amount of good folks they have lost there is not measurable, but it's good they have other places they can pop up in now. It's good we don't take those draconian measures here and there's always another side to the story...
Sheesh!
I could easily say the same about here. No you couldn’t, not by any measure. SS banned people left and right that dared to criticize any of Brian’s shortcomings AND worse banned people left and right that stood up for Mike. You don’t like Mike so you are blinded by your own biases. Tell me when Dirk or Mikey locked someone’s ass out the door here? I’ve been reading through all of these threads for several days and have lots to say but I don’t have time right now to create a long post and it will be a long one. I will say this…concerning Howie, a little simple communication should/could have gone a long way. Just some effort to address concerns about sound. If the idea of the ‘insiders’ is that the sounds of the BB’s need to be heavy on bass for ‘today’s’ audience or what have you then it should not be a big deal to comment about it. This secrecy stuff is annoying. And there is some odd secrecy….. like knowing full well that a picture of Brian in the sandbox had been found and then commenting about it after we were all commenting about it. Getting mad and taking solace for a pat on the back at SS is the polar opposite of cool.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 23, 2022 22:52:37 GMT -5
I’ve seen no valid criticism, just opinions. criticism is opinions. That’s literally what criticism is. Opinion offers the individual the opportunity to express their thoughts. It's my opinion that the sound of rain and a warm cup of tea are comforting. The same can be applied with music of any kind. On many levels, I think the rain is its own instrument. These opinions are rooted in appreciation of life. Nothing critical.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jul 8, 2022 3:43:03 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jul 8, 2022 4:37:33 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
For whatever reason, I can't even access Smiley Smile. My work have deemed the website off limits. Can't say I'm overly upset.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 8, 2022 4:46:36 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
For whatever reason, I can't even access Smiley Smile. My work have deemed the website off limits. Can't say I'm overly upset. Consider yourself, blessed. 😂
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jul 8, 2022 5:06:35 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
Just read that The Bold and the Beautiful have been renewed by CBS to run through the 2023–2024 television season. Huzzah! Now THAT’S what I call REAL drama, not this SS vs. EH non-issue.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 8, 2022 7:00:15 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
Just read that The Bold and the Beautiful have been renewed by CBS to run through the 2023–2024 television season. Huzzah! Now THAT’S what I call REAL drama, not this SS vs. EH non-issue. And I’m a GH girl. Blackie Parrish and Jackie Templeton! 😂 Yes, drama! 🎭
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Post by dauber on Jul 8, 2022 9:59:25 GMT -5
For whatever reason, I can't even access Smiley Smile. My work have deemed the website off limits. Can't say I'm overly upset.
Lately it's been extremely slow for me. Like, it'll take minutes for content to load. Yeah, I was upset about goings-on over at that forum, but I still use it. (In fact, one of the mods even apologized to me over a misunderstanding when I thought I was being bashed...)
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2022 10:31:47 GMT -5
The negative posts about this on here are no worse - and certainly fewer - than those at Hoffman People who listen to the equipment, not the music. 😂 that is such a good way to put it!
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 8, 2022 13:39:17 GMT -5
You'd think they'd let things go, but the 'bottom feeders' over there are still 'stirrin' the pot.
Howie is still complaining about EH and his treatment here... You'd think they'd grow up and move on but they have nothing else better to do I guess...
Best to just ignore it, man. It's basic board drama-- utterly insignificant in the scope of things. Why use up any of your valuable energy even worrying about it? Don't take the bait.
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Post by AGD on Jul 8, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -5
Best to just ignore it, man. It's basic board drama-- utterly insignificant in the scope of things. Why use up any of your valuable energy even worrying about it? Don't take the bait. Exactly. I've been a "hard" fan since summer 1975 and though I never thought it would happen, the events of the last few weeks/months have just sucked all the joy out of it for me. I'm close to done with this band, at least to the extent I have been. I posted my thoughts on the latest release here at the time. As for Howie, he's been doing his job, and very well: he's all over the 'net and while he's not been single-handedly responsible for the reboot hitting the Top 30, that's got to have been a factor. But, some elected to focus on individual sentences instead of the overall message, and we lost what could have been a huge asset to this forum. So he didn't post much: 396 people who've registered with this board since it began haven't posted at all. That's almost exactly half. How many posts anyone makes is a meaningless metric (look at my posting total for proof of that). I need to work out how, or if, I can make all this fun for myself again and right now, with the added joy of there being new members who seem to have come here with the express intent of stirring it, I'm not seeing it. Some will see this as a good thing, and they could well be right. Time to regroup and reconsider. Back in my 30s I had a tshirt that said "I'm too old to have to put up with all this shit". If only I'd known...
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Post by gerry on Jul 8, 2022 14:33:44 GMT -5
All I can really say about Edelson is he's arrogant, he has no diplomacy. I have no interest in these remixes which are pretty much subjective regarding Alan and Mark. I enjoy the music as Brian produced it and I first heard it.
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