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Post by kds on Feb 22, 2019 16:57:03 GMT -5
Their 2000s reformation is proof that there's far more to Whitesnake than power ballads and hot chicks dancing on Jaguars. Well, I just watched their new video and apparently they're not quite done with the girls on cars idea...
Pretty decent song. I'll admit its a little refreshing to see a throwback video like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 8:43:55 GMT -5
A couple songs from one of my favorite albums: The Dictators - Go Girl Crazy (1975)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 12:16:17 GMT -5
And now it's time to...Kick out the jams motherfu-kers!!!!
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 24, 2019 15:05:01 GMT -5
Watching "The Decline of Western Civilization pt II: The Metal Years" for the first time in forever, and I forgot how terrible some of those bands are...
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 28, 2019 20:59:10 GMT -5
As part of that story, he gave his take on the five best and five worst KISS albums. No real surprises in the "best" list (though I don't agree with them all), but some surprises in the "worsts."
Best: 1. Alive! 2. Destroyer 3. Hotter Than Hell 4. Creatures of the Night 5. Ace Frehley
Worst: 1. Music From the Elder 2. Peter Criss 3. Gene Simmons 4. Unmasked 5. Hot in the Shade
I'd agree wholeheartedly about Peter Criss, and I'm not much of a fan of Hot in the Shade (though at the time I liked it, certainly more than Crazy Nights). Elder, I get, even though I like it. Unmasked, I actually LOVE. And Gene Simmons was neck-and-neck with Ace among the solo albums when I was a teenager, though last time I listened I had to admit it's not that good.
Still, has this man never heard Asylum and Animalize? How in the world could anyone not list those among the worst?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 7:23:41 GMT -5
As part of that story, he gave his take on the five best and five worst KISS albums. No real surprises in the "best" list (though I don't agree with them all), but some surprises in the "worsts."
Best: 1. Alive! 2. Destroyer 3. Hotter Than Hell 4. Creatures of the Night 5. Ace Frehley
Worst: 1. Music From the Elder 2. Peter Criss 3. Gene Simmons 4. Unmasked 5. Hot in the Shade
I'd agree wholeheartedly about Peter Criss, and I'm not much of a fan of Hot in the Shade (though at the time I liked it, certainly more than Crazy Nights). Elder, I get, even though I like it. Unmasked, I actually LOVE. And Gene Simmons was neck-and-neck with Ace among the solo albums when I was a teenager, though last time I listened I had to admit it's not that good.
Still, has this man never heard Asylum and Animalize? How in the world could anyone not list those among the worst?
I'm surprised that two of my two favorites - KISS (the first album) and Dressed To Kill - weren't mentioned in the Best list, not because they're my favorites, but because I think they have some great material on them. And I prefer the studio versions to the live versions. I guess Paul doesn't...
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 7:30:49 GMT -5
The Love Gun omission was the biggest for me in the favorites. For that to miss a top five is incomprehensible for me.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 9:31:25 GMT -5
The Love Gun omission was the biggest for me in the favorites. For that to miss a top five is incomprehensible for me. I'd easily swap out the Ace album for Love Gun or even the s/t debut or Creatures of the Night.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 9:38:41 GMT -5
I think my top five favorites (want to make the distinction between that and some kind of objective [if there is such a thing] best) might look like the below. But considering I'm pretty sure we've covered that territory before and there's a good chance I said something else, forgive me in advance.
1. Love Gun 2. Destroyer 3. Rock and Roll Over 4. Alive II 5. Unmasked / Hotter Than Hell
As you can see, I fall pretty strongly into the mid-70s classics, though there are some of the earlier and later things I like, too. As for that critic's list of worsts, though, I cannot understand how he skipped those two mid-80s duds and then included Hot in the Shade! (Was that specifically hatred for "Forever" and Michael Bolton or something?) I also wonder whether he even took the last couple albums into consideration.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 9:48:25 GMT -5
Some people might not even be aware of the existence of the last couple KISS albums.
For my Top 5 favorites,
1. Destroyer 2. KISS 3. Creatures of the Night 4. Love Gun 5. Hotter Than Hell
While I think the first two Alive albums are great, when I think of best albums, I typically think of studio albums.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 9:55:56 GMT -5
I like your list, too.
While I think the first two Alive albums are great, when I think of best albums, I typically think of studio albums.
I agree, and actually it's the studio side of Alive II that makes it a favorite! Though I do also like the faster-than-studio renditions of some tunes in the live sides, too. But "Rocket Ride," "Rocking In the USA," "All American Man" and "Any Way You Want It," I loved those songs. In fact overall I think they fit the original KISS's strength as being a great rock band, not a metal band. I think sometimes they lost their way with more metal-edged stuff. (Though some of that was great, too. Vinnie Vincent's songwriting and playing definitely fit that category.)
I used to blast that cassette from my little Magnavox dual-deck boombox while playing basketball in my driveway. I have no idea what made that my basketball tape, but it was.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 10:33:12 GMT -5
I like your list, too.
While I think the first two Alive albums are great, when I think of best albums, I typically think of studio albums.
I agree, and actually it's the studio side of Alive II that makes it a favorite! Though I do also like the faster-than-studio renditions of some tunes in the live sides, too. But "Rocket Ride," "Rocking In the USA," "All American Man" and "Any Way You Want It," I loved those songs. In fact overall I think they fit the original KISS's strength as being a great rock band, not a metal band. I think sometimes they lost their way with more metal-edged stuff. (Though some of that was great, too. Vinnie Vincent's songwriting and playing definitely fit that category.)
I used to blast that cassette from my little Magnavox dual-deck boombox while playing basketball in my driveway. I have no idea what made that my basketball tape, but it was.
One of the reasons that I like the first Alive album so much is that some of the songs sound a little flat in their studio incarnations on the first three studio albums, but the live versions give them a little extra power.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 10:35:12 GMT -5
Totally agree that both albums benefit in that way. I'd prefer that they'd have just brought the right energy to the studio versions, myself, because I'm a fan of studio work over live albums in almost every case. Especially that some of the Alive II songs required the (semi-)live "kick" is inexcusable: by that time they should have learned their lesson, and they had the likes of Bob Ezrin and Eddie Kramer behind the boards.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 10:57:11 GMT -5
Totally agree that both albums benefit in that way. I'd prefer that they'd have just brought the right energy to the studio versions, myself, because I'm a fan of studio work over live albums in almost every case. Especially that some of the Alive II songs required the (semi-)live "kick" is inexcusable: by that time they should have learned their lesson, and they had the likes of Bob Ezrin and Eddie Kramer behind the boards. I thought the sound of the studio albums got much better once Bob Ezrin walked into the room.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 10:59:31 GMT -5
Absolutely agree, but there were still some energy/tempo issues on Destroyer, in my opinion.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 11:03:44 GMT -5
Absolutely agree, but there were still some energy/tempo issues on Destroyer, in my opinion. I would've loved to hear Martin Birch produce a KISS album. As much as I like Ezrin, faster hard rock isn't exactly his specialty.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 11:07:00 GMT -5
True, but I don't even mean in any kind of radical shift. I'm talking about a few bpm making all the difference in the world. I think Shout it Out Loud and God of Thunder, for example, both are more or less great ... but could have been a little more great. They just plod a bit more than they have to. And certainly Elder had a few tunes that managed to keep moving.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 11:08:20 GMT -5
Anybody in the mood for about three hours of DLR conversation, he was today's guest on Joe Rogan. It's my background noise today as I work (theoretically ... I'm posting a lot today for a guy "at work").
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 11:17:20 GMT -5
True, but I don't even mean in any kind of radical shift. I'm talking about a few bpm making all the difference in the world. I think Shout it Out Loud and God of Thunder, for example, both are more or less great ... but could have been a little more great. They just plod a bit more than they have to. And certainly Elder had a few tunes that managed to keep moving.
The only thing about the studio version of God of Thunder I don't care for are the kids voices during the intro.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 11:18:18 GMT -5
Anybody in the mood for about three hours of DLR conversation, he was today's guest on Joe Rogan. It's my background noise today as I work (theoretically ... I'm posting a lot today for a guy "at work").
I don't know if I need to hear Dave talk for three hours, but kinda post if he mentions anything about the dormant Van Halen.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 11:21:02 GMT -5
I don't like those, either. I know it was meant to be creepy--Ezrin did the same trick on Lou Reed's "The Kids" from his Berlin album--but it's just not cool. I would speed it up just a little, though. Maybe not quite up to the Alive II pace, but a little. I love that song, though. What a riff!
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 11:23:25 GMT -5
Anybody in the mood for about three hours of DLR conversation, he was today's guest on Joe Rogan. It's my background noise today as I work (theoretically ... I'm posting a lot today for a guy "at work").
I don't know if I need to hear Dave talk for three hours, but kinda post if he mentions anything about the dormant Van Halen. Will do.
One thing he did say that was interesting was about how his songs aren't really versatile, can't really be used except in very specific scenarios, because he's "not an actor ... because [he's] already a character." He says something like "when the Lone Ranger comes and sits next to you in a bar and starts telling a story, you don't really hear his storytelling. You just say 'damn, the Lone Ranger just sat down and is talking to me." He's got a really good point. He was making it in contrast to Journey, actually, and Rod Stewart, with those as examples of music that could be done by other people, used in various scenarios, and still be great. But DLR is DLR.
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Post by kds on Mar 1, 2019 11:28:18 GMT -5
I don't know if I need to hear Dave talk for three hours, but kinda post if he mentions anything about the dormant Van Halen. Will do.
One thing he did say that was interesting was about how his songs aren't really versatile, can't really be used except in very specific scenarios, because he's "not an actor ... because [he's] already a character." He says something like "when the Lone Ranger comes and sits next to you in a bar and starts telling a story, you don't really hear his storytelling. You just say 'damn, the Lone Ranger just sat down and is talking to me." He's got a really good point. He was making it in contrast to Journey, actually, and Rod Stewart, with those as examples of music that could be done by other people, used in various scenarios, and still be great. But DLR is DLR.
That actually makes a lot of sense, and I think it's one of the reasons VH didn't do a lot of Roth era songs when they toured with Hagar. Hagar is far and away the better singer, but something always seemed a little off when he sang Jump, Panama, or Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 11:29:21 GMT -5
Exactly. It really struck me when he said it.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 12, 2019 18:17:55 GMT -5
I've seen from setlists of the most recent KISS farewell tour that they're playing "Let Me Go, Rock and Roll." I love that song and am glad they're playing it!
(That said they were just here--last week, I think it was--and didn't go. If it's a little odd to see senior citizens in Hawaiian shirts and shorts singing about high school, it's trebly so seeing them in makeup, platform boots, and metal-and-leather.)
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