|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 7, 2020 18:52:39 GMT -5
This is the first episode of You're Grass and I'm a Power Mower. 20 plus years in the making. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this. We certainly have had some spirited chats about this topic in the past! The episode tries to answer the question of what instrument played the WIBN intro, and perhaps more interestingly, why it sounds that way.
|
|
rjm
Kahuna
Posts: 212
Likes: 221
|
Post by rjm on Mar 7, 2020 19:24:48 GMT -5
Fantastic!!!
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on Mar 7, 2020 22:13:48 GMT -5
Joshilyn, that was very informative and fun to watch. Thank you for that!
|
|
|
Post by jk on Mar 8, 2020 7:49:42 GMT -5
So good to see the Power Mower back in action. The world just became a brighter place.
|
|
|
Post by Fall Breaks on Mar 8, 2020 10:03:06 GMT -5
That was great. Apart from answering The Question, your video also makes me want to pick up recording music myself again.
|
|
jh055
Grommet
Posts: 34
Likes: 65
Favorite Album: Sunflower. No, Friends! Um....
|
Post by jh055 on Mar 8, 2020 21:16:20 GMT -5
Enjoyed that breakdown very much. As a long time player myself, I usually avoid trying to play Brians’ music..it’s so complex! But in a beautiful way of course.
i live 15 minutes south of BWI airport, hit me up for suggestions regarding living around here if you like.
JH
|
|
|
Post by craigslowinski on Mar 8, 2020 21:27:53 GMT -5
Enjoyed that breakdown very much. As a long time player myself, I usually avoid trying to play Brians’ music..it’s so complex! But in a beautiful way of course. Yes...and I think that, guitar-wise, a lot of that has to do with the fact that Brian himself is not a guitarist! In other words: would an actual guitar player come up with something like the introduction to "Wouldn't It Be Nice", or the intertwining guitar lines on "You Still Believe In Me"? Not likely, at least not in the pop/rock guitar world. Not being a skilled guitarist himself meant that Brian would come up with a complex melodic line on a keyboard, then instruct some poor guitarist to play the thing, without much consideration to how unwieldy it might be! Luckily, he had pros like Barney Kessel and Glen Campbell to do it!
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 9, 2020 17:10:01 GMT -5
Enjoyed that breakdown very much. As a long time player myself, I usually avoid trying to play Brians’ music..it’s so complex! But in a beautiful way of course. Yes...and I think that, guitar-wise, a lot of that has to do with the fact that Brian himself is not a guitarist! In other words: would an actual guitar player come up with something like the introduction to "Wouldn't It Be Nice", or the intertwining guitar lines on "You Still Believe In Me"? Not likely, at least not in the pop/rock guitar world. Not being a skilled guitarist himself meant that Brian would come up with a complex melodic line on a keyboard, then instruct some poor guitarist to play the thing, without much consideration to how unwieldy it might be! Luckily, he had pros like Barney Kessel and Glen Campbell to do it! I would argue that many of these unusual guitar parts are not only down to Brian not being a guitar player, but also down to Brian not really being a great instrumentalist in general. These guitar lines are not really pianistic either. So like, the YSBIM line comes straight from the vocal arrangement. He sings the WIBN intro to Hal et al. These ideas come from a singer and vocal arranger's mind: not a instrumentalist's. PS: I plan to cover the development of Brian's guitar lines in some depth over the course of many videos, so keep a look out.
|
|
|
Post by Cam Mott on Mar 9, 2020 18:13:33 GMT -5
This instrumentalist argument seems to me like a revelation that has been hiding in plain sight H. It makes so much sense. But what do I know. Well spotted.
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 10, 2020 13:57:32 GMT -5
... But what do I know... Much. Well here's a little follow up video addressing some comments.
|
|
|
Post by Cam Mott on Mar 10, 2020 17:28:14 GMT -5
Haven't watched this video yet but how many witnesses and recording are there of instrumental parts being vocalized by Brian?
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 10, 2020 17:47:16 GMT -5
I can think of a few off the top of my head in from the boots:
Intro on WIBN Middle voice in GOK bridge when he wants the non-chord tone IJWMFTT, very briefly to give Glen the notes he wants played Here Today, telling Al Casey how he wants the guitar rhythm to be punctuated I wanna say This Whole World he briefly sings a desired interval to David Cohen Corrects Don Randi's organ line on Please Let Me Wonder
|
|
|
Post by Cam Mott on Mar 10, 2020 19:48:52 GMT -5
Just came across this by coincidence:
"Lennon commented in print that 'Wilson was a bloody genius who uses voices like instruments'..."
Derek Taylor, not sure where the quote was first published.
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 11, 2020 5:00:06 GMT -5
Just came across this by coincidence: "Lennon commented in print that 'Wilson was a bloody genius who uses voices like instruments'..." Derek Taylor, not sure where the quote was first published. And, used instruments like voices.
|
|
|
Post by Cam Mott on Mar 11, 2020 8:20:23 GMT -5
I wasn't clear, I meant it rhetorically as in "how many times have I/we read/heard examples of this but it didn't really soak in". Sorry and thanks.
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 13, 2020 17:53:08 GMT -5
I wasn't clear, I meant it rhetorically as in "how many times have I/we read/heard examples of this but it didn't really soak in". Sorry and thanks. I'm hyperliteral. I have been thinking more about how Brian's inadequacies as an instrumentalist might have contributed to his novel orchestration, and it hit me that this is one very important reason that the studio players were so essential to the explosion of creativity. You can really hear it between All Summer Long and Today. It's not so much that he needed them to play the parts, it's that he needed them to realise the parts. It wasn't so much about simple ability to play the notes -- I suspect Carl could have handled most of the guitar parts just fine, for instance -- but what Brian needed was to be suspended in a solution of musical literacy, where he could communicate by bouncing his sort of inchoate ideas off the studio friends, using his voice (or his crude piano playing), and not only having them hear and replicate whatever Brian had in mind, but also imbue the parts with the kind of nous and experienced subtlety that only people with a complete musical mental library could effect. And I think that this was probably not just true for Brian, although I think Brian was more gifted than many other people who were using the Studio musicians in LA in a similar way. I do think Brian had a special talent and facility thinking in vocal arrangements that other people without musical literacy lacked.
|
|
|
Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 19, 2020 16:28:52 GMT -5
Here's a sort of part three - a very short explanation of why and how I play the intro to Wouldn't it be Nice the way that I do. Vid
|
|
|
Post by jk on Mar 20, 2020 4:54:04 GMT -5
You've done it again, JH--dropped another bombshell on us. Those 32 little notes sure have a lot to answer for! Bless you (and Missy) for giving us the breath of fresh air we sorely need in these stifling times.
|
|